Re: [ubuntu-uk] Listening to audio samples on amazon?

[stephen]

On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 01:11 +0100, Josh Blacker wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I can't seem to listen to samples from CDs on Amazon (eg on this page:
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Has-Start-Editors/dp/B000PUAZDW/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-8298639-3512767?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1187913814&sr=8-1
>  yes I am just showing off how cool and with it I am)
> 
> The file dialog I get asks what programme I want to open hurl.exe
> with, which is really quite strange given that it's meant to be an
> audio clipIn both reaplayer and totem, it buffers and then plays
> the stream, but I have no sound on it.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -- 
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> 

Works fine with mplayer and the mozilla-mplayer plugin for me. The only
problem is that the last three or so seconds are clipped.

Steve


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[ubuntu-uk] Listening to audio samples on amazon?

[Josh Blacker]

Hi all,

I can't seem to listen to samples from CDs on Amazon (eg on this page:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Has-Start-Editors/dp/B000PUAZDW/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-8298639-3512767?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1187913814&sr=8-1
 yes I am just showing off how cool and with it I am)

The file dialog I get asks what programme I want to open hurl.exe
with, which is really quite strange given that it's meant to be an
audio clipIn both reaplayer and totem, it buffers and then plays
the stream, but I have no sound on it.

Any ideas?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[Ian Pascoe]

Or the one about the university researching which dinasour could run the
fastest 

-Original Message-
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Jim Kissel wrote:
>
> Ian Pascoe wrote:
>>
>> PS  Is everyone on holiday this week as the list seems awful quiet?
>>
> Only all of Europe, or so it seems.  Not only are the mailing lists I
> subscribe to quite, there is not much news either or so it seems to me.

now is the time then to field the type of story about
'Man bites Windows!'
:-)
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[ubuntu-uk] iPod Text not centred.

[Andrew Jenkins]

Hi all,

I used to use my iPod Nano with gtkPod under Mandriva
LE2005 but have now switched to using Amarok1.4 running
under Ubuntu F.F.7.04.

My problem (though small) is that the displayed text of
a playing track on the iPod is no longer central but is
all left-justified.  The mp3 tracks stored on the computer
are the same as before and have not had the ID3 Tags
touched. The data (i.e. Track Title, Artist, Album) is
correct but is just not as neat as it was when displayed
centrally on the iPod.

Needless to say, under gtkPod it was fine. This is not a
setting in the iPod that has changed as tracks that are
on it that were previously loaded with gtkPod still show
centrally, just the Amarok-loaded tracks are affected.
Has anyone else had this or ever better knows how to put
it back in the middle?

Regards,
Andrew Jenkins.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] What do I need (live audio recording)

[Doug McMillan]

On the software front, Ardour is definitely the most complete DAW.

www.ardour.org

I think it's in the repositories. Audacity is great for just editing short
sections of sound, or for a quick way to get ideas down, but Ardour is much
better for multitracking.

On 23/08/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> oh yeah forgot about that :-). I have a Behringer 1202 (£60). Nice
> little thingymabob.
>
> Ps a good site to find this stuff is www.dolphinmusic.co.uk
>
>
> On 23/08/07, Pete Stean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On the mixing desk front, one of the little Behringer jobs with 4 XLR
> inputs
> > would probably do you if you're looking for a cost-effective solution -
> > simple, straightforward features, easy to use etc  :)
> >
> > A Behringer Xenyx 1202 would probably suit unless you need more inputs
> or
> > you want to do more fancy processing on the board rather than in post -
> I
> > have one, it's fine and was bloody cheap too
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > On 23/08/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > TBH From my experience professional recording on linux simply isnt
> > > there yet (well, at reasonable prices anyway).
> > >
> > > However some pointers:
> > >
> > > Hardware wise I would most definately reccomend a professional
> > > soundcard. Try the M-Audio 2496 for a cheap decent prof card (about
> > > £60-70). Whatever card you get, make sure it is compatible with ASIO.
> > > ASIO is an interface specifically made for professional audio mixing
> > > apps, the main thing it does is reduce latency like crazy.
> > >
> > > You want to have Balanced Inputs.
> > >
> > > You want a Mixer. That takes Balanced XLR inputs.
> > >
> > > Balanced means that 3 signals are sent: The first is the normal
> > > signal. The second is an inverse of that signal. The third is a ground
> > > signal. The signal is recreated by taking the difference of the normal
> > > and inversed signal. Noise generated on the line is then removed using
> > > the ground signal.
> > >
> > > Microphone wise, you can't go wrong with an SM58 (£50-60). SM58 is
> > > your bog-standard dynamic vocal mic. Great for live / outdoors etc.
> > > For instruments try the SM57. If you have a good environment and want
> > > a nicer 'studio' sound invest in a pair of Rhode NT1's. (£100 > each)
> > > A pair will let you do stereo recordings (research stereo pair - takes
> > > advantage of the cardoid nature of the mics), and because they are
> > > compressor mics as opposed to dynamics you get a much better sound. Be
> > > gentle with them though.
> > >
> > > For drums try an SM57 on the snare and hi-hat, SM58 on the bass drum
> > > and the NT1's in a stereo pair over the cymbals. Not a brilliant
> > > setup, but costs sod-all.
> > >
> > > For software something like Audacity simply is not powerful enough for
> > > music recording etc, something more beefy is needed. I personally am a
> > > Logic fan and will refuse to work with anything else for more than 5
> > > minutes, so I'm not a lot of help here.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am in no way an expert but I hope this helps
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > On 17/08/07, Neil Greenwood < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On 17/08/07, Mark Harrison < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > What I need advice on are:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Advice on what audio editing software I need (I'm coming from an
> > Adobe
> > > > > Audition / CoolEdit) background, and the key features I need are
> > > > > FFT-based noise reduction, track volume normalisation, and in-line
> > editing.)
> > > >
> > > > Audacity seems to be mature and have lots of features. It's also
> > > > available on Windows.
> > > >
> > > > Jono Bacon started a team to develop Jokosher, but I don't know how
> > > > far they've got with it. I don't think they've released v1.0 yet,
> > > > although I could be wrong on that - haven't heard much about it for
> > > > months.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hwyl,
> > > > Neil.
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
> > > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[spep]

 British Ubuntu Talk 
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> Jim Kissel wrote:
>>
>> Ian Pascoe wrote:
>>>
>>> PS  Is everyone on holiday this week as the list seems awful quiet?
>>>
>> Only all of Europe, or so it seems.  Not only are the mailing lists I
>> subscribe to quite, there is not much news either or so it seems to me.
>
> now is the time then to field the type of story about
> 'Man bites Windows!'
> :-)
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> Kubuntu user#10391
>
>
>
> --
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:44:41 +0100
> From: "Matthew Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
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>
> Hey all, been a while
>
> IMO I think the idea of viral videos is a waste of time. When have
> they ever worked? I personally think its just a buzz-word and a
> marketing experiment gone crazy. We need to stop trying to 'trick'
> people in to moving to Linux. We need to show people the benefits and
> the facts, none of this bulls**t lifestyle 'join the crowd' bollocks
> that floats around too much. People make up their own minds to switch,
> its just about raising awareness, crushing the myths and informing
> people. IMO that's what will REALLY get people to switch en masse
>
> I think using live demonstrations is a fantastic idea. People get to
> see what happens, ask questions and immediatly get shown how to do it.
> This could even be extended to using pre-recorded demo's for common
> tasks etc.
>
> On another note hope everyone is having a good summer!
>
> Regards,
>
> On 23/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Jim Kissel wrote:
>> >
>> > Ian Pascoe wrote:
>> >>
>> >> PS  Is everyone on holiday this week as the list seems awful quiet?
>> >>
>> > Only all of Europe, or so it seems.  Not only are the mailing lists I
>> > subscribe to quite, there is not much news either or so it seems to
>> me.
>>
>> now is the time then to field the type of story about
>> 'Man bites Windows!'
>> :-)
>> --
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>>
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>> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
>>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:53:19 +0100
> From: "Pete Stean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
> Message-ID:
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>
> Do you know what, Matthew - I don't think I could disagree more. Some
> well-placed videos on youtube have the potential to introduce lots of
> people
> to a non-Windows alternative. We should be exploiting *any and all*
> channels
> to get the message across that Ubuntu and open source offer a credible
> alternative to Mr Gates' products
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 23/08/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all, been a while
>>
>> IMO I think the idea of viral videos is a waste of time. When have
>> they ever worked? I personally think its just a buzz-word and a
>> marketing experiment gone crazy. We need to stop trying to 'trick'
>> people in to moving to Linux. We need to show people the benefits and
>> the facts, none of this bulls**t lifestyle 'join the crowd' bollocks
>> that floats around too much. People make up their own minds to switch,
>> its just about raising awareness, crushing the myths and informing
>> people. IMO that's what will REALLY get people to switch en masse
>>
>> I think using live demonstrations is a fantastic idea. People get to
>> see what happens, ask questions and immediatly get shown how to do it.
>> This could even be extended to using pre-recorded demo's for common
>> tasks etc.
>>
>> On another note hope everyone is having a good summer!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> On 23/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Jim Kissel wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Ian Pascoe wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> PS  Is everyone on holiday this week as the list seems awful quiet?
>> > >>
>> > > Only all of Europe, or so it seems.  Not only are the mailing lists
>> I
>> > > subscribe to quite, there is not much news either or so it seems to
>> me.
>> >
>> > now is the time then to field the type of story about
>> > 'Man bites Windows!'
>> > :-)
>> > --
>> > alan cocks
>> > Kubuntu user#10391
>> >
>> > --
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>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Bug #1 - what we're up against

[Paul Tansom]

** Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-08-23 11:09]:
> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:57 +0100, alan c wrote:
> > Phil Bull wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:19 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote:
> > >> Well thats the biggest threat to linux: If Microsoft charged 
> > >> reasonable licenses for their software (ie £20 for Vista
> > >> Ultimate), FOSS would be blown out of the water.
> > > 
> > > I really have to disagree on that point. In my experience, very few
> > >  people use Ubuntu because it's free. It is a factor, of course -
> > > it makes it easier for people to try it out, and people aren't
> > > worried about being out-of-pocket if they don't like what they see.
> > > But it's almost never the real reason that they switched.
> > > 
> > > Most of the people I know who have switched to Ubuntu have done so 
> > > because of the better security and speed improvement. These people
> > > were sick to the back teeth of having to deal with viruses and
> > > spyware, and were victims of the usual Windows slowdown which kicks
> > > in a few months after installation. Having a cheaper Vista license
> > > doesn't solve either of these problems.
> > 
> > My first serious use of linux was from a purchased retail box pack of
> > Suse 9.1 from amazon, costing 60 uk pounds.
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> > Kubuntu user#10391
> 
> Same here. I paid £60 for a Mandrake powerpack without ever paying for
> Windows before.
** end quote [Darren Mansell]

I'll third that, although I did actually purchase an OEM copy of Windows
3.1 way back when. My first PC was an IBM PS/2 model L40 laptop and I
only finally gave in and got an x86 machine (386sx20 to be precise)
because OS/2 made the hardware useable (windows was a toy compared to my
Amiga on which I created advertising material for IBM!). Somewhere I do
have a couple of Windows 95 licenses, although I can't remember from and
a Windows 98 one which is old stock.

I followed Linux on the IBM internal forums since there was one on
getting it running on my L40 (is there still the patch for the floppy
drive option when you compile the kernel?), and finally got hold of a
copy of Caldera - boo, hiss ;) - Open Linux Base 1.1 from PC World (yes
they had copies of Linux on the shelves back in 1996/7 ish), then bought
a copy of Red Hat Linux 6.0 from a friend who ended up with two copies
due to being impatient for the first one ordered to arrive and seeing
one in PC World. I also bought a selection of Linux CDs from the Linux
Emporium to try out various distributions, so I suspect I've probably
spent about the same on Linux as I have on Windows (ignoring licenses
provided on machines which I think only totals one copy of Windows 2000
on a laptop).

Cost is not the issue, although it is the reason I wouldn't entertain
purchasing a copy of Red Hat anymore. I use Linux because, although I've
been using Windows for longer (back to 3.0 right up to XP as I have to
for work, although I've not touched Vista yet), Linux is easier to use,
easier to fix, easier to configure and more reliable - that's not even
getting into more secure and the virus/malware issues.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] What do I need (live audio recording)

[Matthew Larsen]

oh yeah forgot about that :-). I have a Behringer 1202 (£60). Nice
little thingymabob.

Ps a good site to find this stuff is www.dolphinmusic.co.uk


On 23/08/07, Pete Stean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On the mixing desk front, one of the little Behringer jobs with 4 XLR inputs
> would probably do you if you're looking for a cost-effective solution -
> simple, straightforward features, easy to use etc  :)
>
> A Behringer Xenyx 1202 would probably suit unless you need more inputs or
> you want to do more fancy processing on the board rather than in post - I
> have one, it's fine and was bloody cheap too
>
> Pete
>
> On 23/08/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > TBH From my experience professional recording on linux simply isnt
> > there yet (well, at reasonable prices anyway).
> >
> > However some pointers:
> >
> > Hardware wise I would most definately reccomend a professional
> > soundcard. Try the M-Audio 2496 for a cheap decent prof card (about
> > £60-70). Whatever card you get, make sure it is compatible with ASIO.
> > ASIO is an interface specifically made for professional audio mixing
> > apps, the main thing it does is reduce latency like crazy.
> >
> > You want to have Balanced Inputs.
> >
> > You want a Mixer. That takes Balanced XLR inputs.
> >
> > Balanced means that 3 signals are sent: The first is the normal
> > signal. The second is an inverse of that signal. The third is a ground
> > signal. The signal is recreated by taking the difference of the normal
> > and inversed signal. Noise generated on the line is then removed using
> > the ground signal.
> >
> > Microphone wise, you can't go wrong with an SM58 (£50-60). SM58 is
> > your bog-standard dynamic vocal mic. Great for live / outdoors etc.
> > For instruments try the SM57. If you have a good environment and want
> > a nicer 'studio' sound invest in a pair of Rhode NT1's. (£100 > each)
> > A pair will let you do stereo recordings (research stereo pair - takes
> > advantage of the cardoid nature of the mics), and because they are
> > compressor mics as opposed to dynamics you get a much better sound. Be
> > gentle with them though.
> >
> > For drums try an SM57 on the snare and hi-hat, SM58 on the bass drum
> > and the NT1's in a stereo pair over the cymbals. Not a brilliant
> > setup, but costs sod-all.
> >
> > For software something like Audacity simply is not powerful enough for
> > music recording etc, something more beefy is needed. I personally am a
> > Logic fan and will refuse to work with anything else for more than 5
> > minutes, so I'm not a lot of help here.
> >
> >
> > I am in no way an expert but I hope this helps
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On 17/08/07, Neil Greenwood < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 17/08/07, Mark Harrison < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > What I need advice on are:
> > > >
> > > > - Advice on what audio editing software I need (I'm coming from an
> Adobe
> > > > Audition / CoolEdit) background, and the key features I need are
> > > > FFT-based noise reduction, track volume normalisation, and in-line
> editing.)
> > >
> > > Audacity seems to be mature and have lots of features. It's also
> > > available on Windows.
> > >
> > > Jono Bacon started a team to develop Jokosher, but I don't know how
> > > far they've got with it. I don't think they've released v1.0 yet,
> > > although I could be wrong on that - haven't heard much about it for
> > > months.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hwyl,
> > > Neil.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[Kris Marsh]

On 8/23/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all, been a while
>
> IMO I think the idea of viral videos is a waste of time. When have
> they ever worked? I personally think its just a buzz-word and a
> marketing experiment gone crazy. We need to stop trying to 'trick'
> people in to moving to Linux. We need to show people the benefits and
> the facts, none of this bulls**t lifestyle 'join the crowd' bollocks
> that floats around too much. People make up their own minds to switch,
> its just about raising awareness, crushing the myths and informing
> people. IMO that's what will REALLY get people to switch en masse
>
> I think using live demonstrations is a fantastic idea. People get to
> see what happens, ask questions and immediatly get shown how to do it.
> This could even be extended to using pre-recorded demo's for common
> tasks etc.
>
> On another note hope everyone is having a good summer!
>
> Regards,
> --
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>
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Hi Matthew,

I like to think of this type of marketing idea as basically just
increasing awareness to "normal" users who don't yet know about Linux
or Ubuntu. If we succeed in making Ubuntu or Linux something that many
people know, then this will have been a great boundary crossed, I
think.

I do think that some form of marketing (viral videos being an
interesting self-propagating/free way) will help grab this
"mindshare", and I agree with you that there is potential for a lot of
crap to come en masse. However, "join the crowd" is certainly a valid
benefit from using Linux, if this is something you're looking for. You
may not be, other may (but I would suspect that the majority of users
do not care for this).

Definitely agree with you though - lets stick with the compelling
facts - fast, stable, secure.


Cheers,
Kris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Bug #1 - what we're up against

[Darren Mansell]

On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:57 +0100, alan c wrote:
> Phil Bull wrote:
> > Hi Matt,
> > 
> > Hope work's going well.
> > 
> > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:19 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote:
> >> Well thats the biggest threat to linux: If Microsoft charged 
> >> reasonable licenses for their software (ie £20 for Vista
> >> Ultimate), FOSS would be blown out of the water.
> > 
> > I really have to disagree on that point. In my experience, very few
> >  people use Ubuntu because it's free. It is a factor, of course -
> > it makes it easier for people to try it out, and people aren't
> > worried about being out-of-pocket if they don't like what they see.
> > But it's almost never the real reason that they switched.
> > 
> > Most of the people I know who have switched to Ubuntu have done so 
> > because of the better security and speed improvement. These people
> > were sick to the back teeth of having to deal with viruses and
> > spyware, and were victims of the usual Windows slowdown which kicks
> > in a few months after installation. Having a cheaper Vista license
> > doesn't solve either of these problems.
> 
> My first serious use of linux was from a purchased retail box pack of
> Suse 9.1 from amazon, costing 60 uk pounds.
> 
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> 

Same here. I paid £60 for a Mandrake powerpack without ever paying for
Windows before.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Bug #1 - what we're up against

[alan c]

Phil Bull wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> 
> Hope work's going well.
> 
> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:19 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote:
>> Well thats the biggest threat to linux: If Microsoft charged 
>> reasonable licenses for their software (ie £20 for Vista
>> Ultimate), FOSS would be blown out of the water.
> 
> I really have to disagree on that point. In my experience, very few
>  people use Ubuntu because it's free. It is a factor, of course -
> it makes it easier for people to try it out, and people aren't
> worried about being out-of-pocket if they don't like what they see.
> But it's almost never the real reason that they switched.
> 
> Most of the people I know who have switched to Ubuntu have done so 
> because of the better security and speed improvement. These people
> were sick to the back teeth of having to deal with viruses and
> spyware, and were victims of the usual Windows slowdown which kicks
> in a few months after installation. Having a cheaper Vista license
> doesn't solve either of these problems.

My first serious use of linux was from a purchased retail box pack of
Suse 9.1 from amazon, costing 60 uk pounds.

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[ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day (Bracknell, Berkshire)

[alan c]

This is to inform that I am organising a SFD event
(Saturday 15th September) in Bracknell.

I am in contact with the relevant LUGs
(apologies if you have seen stuff already).

If you are able to be involved, or help, or can be in Bracknell that
day to say hello! or want details, please contact me off list?

http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/europe/uk/ubuntu-uk/bracknell
http://softwarefreedomday.org/Home

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Bug #1 - what we're up against

[Pete Stean]

MS are also introducing a PAYG system in Brazil I understand, in order to
tackle piracy. Something like $30 a quarter, although I'm not sure we're
talking US $ - bound to be something on the Register about it...

Pete


On 23/08/07, Phil Bull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Hope work's going well.
>
> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:19 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote:
> > Well thats the biggest threat to linux: If Microsoft charged
> > reasonable licenses for their software (ie £20 for Vista Ultimate),
> > FOSS would be blown out of the water.
>
> I really have to disagree on that point. In my experience, very few
> people use Ubuntu because it's free. It is a factor, of course - it
> makes it easier for people to try it out, and people aren't worried
> about being out-of-pocket if they don't like what they see. But it's
> almost never the real reason that they switched.
>
> Most of the people I know who have switched to Ubuntu have done so
> because of the better security and speed improvement. These people were
> sick to the back teeth of having to deal with viruses and spyware, and
> were victims of the usual Windows slowdown which kicks in a few months
> after installation. Having a cheaper Vista license doesn't solve either
> of these problems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
> --
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[alan c]

Matthew Larsen wrote:
> Hey all, been a while
> 
> IMO I think the idea of viral videos is a waste of time. When have
> they ever worked? I personally think its just a buzz-word and a
> marketing experiment gone crazy. We need to stop trying to 'trick'
> people in to moving to Linux. We need to show people the benefits and
> the facts, none of this bulls**t lifestyle 'join the crowd' bollocks
> that floats around too much. People make up their own minds to switch,
> its just about raising awareness, crushing the myths and informing
> people. IMO that's what will REALLY get people to switch en masse

I really *loved* the get firefox videos, I still watch them and laugh. 
I do show them when appropriate. I think they have an important place 
and do a couple of things - have a good effect inside the community, 
and also outside - to illustrate that there is something to be had, 
and a community exists.

Once people have already been tricked into the windows habit   :-)  I 
do not think they can be tricked a second time. and I do not think 
the proposed videos aim to trick, at all.

Benefits and facts - yes, but *how* to get the message across?

People can only make up their minds to switch (or consider it)  a) if 
they are aware of an viable option, and b) the FOFM (friend or family 
member) they use for support, does not put them off the idea.

Raising awareness - emphatic yes. What is a typical marketing budget 
for a multinational product launch? OK forget actual budgets, what do 
they do to get attention?

I think people will do something en masse when they have no choice, or 
(have a visible choice) and an eager need to do it.

I come across many people who simply have no idea that either open 
source or Linux exists. So, if I can, I begin a process of offering 
information. It can take a long time, because they only expect real 
things to be advertised by the conventional methods (media). Some 
stranger telling them about something so good - why doesn't every one 
already use it then? Microsoft are very good at marketing.

> I think using live demonstrations is a fantastic idea. People get to
> see what happens, ask questions and immediatly get shown how to do it.

I would love to see more of such events, maybe install fests also. An 
install fest was the defining point of change for me some years ago, 
and suddenly Linux became credible. Strange thing to say, but before 
that linux was out of reach in some way. Brainwashed.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Bug #1 - what we're up against

[Phil Bull]

Hi Matt,

Hope work's going well.

On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:19 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote:
> Well thats the biggest threat to linux: If Microsoft charged
> reasonable licenses for their software (ie £20 for Vista Ultimate),
> FOSS would be blown out of the water.

I really have to disagree on that point. In my experience, very few
people use Ubuntu because it's free. It is a factor, of course - it
makes it easier for people to try it out, and people aren't worried
about being out-of-pocket if they don't like what they see. But it's
almost never the real reason that they switched.

Most of the people I know who have switched to Ubuntu have done so
because of the better security and speed improvement. These people were
sick to the back teeth of having to deal with viruses and spyware, and
were victims of the usual Windows slowdown which kicks in a few months
after installation. Having a cheaper Vista license doesn't solve either
of these problems.

Thanks,

Phil

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Bug #1 - what we're up against

[Jim Kissel]

Matthew Larsen wrote:
> Well thats the biggest threat to linux: If Microsoft charged
> reasonable licenses for their software (ie £20 for Vista Ultimate),
> FOSS would be blown out of the water.
> 
> But MS is a monopoly and that won't happen unless they really need to

Sorry to rain on your parade, but Microsoft have already done this for 
the "third world" with their Student Innovation Suite for $3.00 USD!


> 
> On 17/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Neil Greenwood wrote:
>>> A very good discussion about why Linux doesn't have a greater market share.
>>> http://tlug.jp/articles/Windows_Is_Free
>> A well put case with a closely argued set of points. Worth reading.
>>
>> also see:
>>
>> How Microsoft conquered China
>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/07/23/100134488/
>> Extract:
>> Today Gates openly concedes that tolerating piracy turned out to be
>> Microsoft's best long-term strategy. That's why Windows is used on an
>> estimated 90% of China's 120 million PCs. "It's easier for our
>> software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's
>> not," Gates says. "Are you kidding? You can get the real thing, and
>> you get the same price." Indeed, in China's back alleys, Linux often
>> costs more than Windows because it requires more disks. And
>> Microsoft's own prices have dropped so low it now sells a $3 package
>> of Windows and Office to students
>>
>> Comment: historically, the Good GUI of windows appeared sooner than
>> the good GUI of Linux, so market momentum for windows has been well
>> established.
>>
>> To *change* market momentum, we need a marketing approach which pushes
>> at an open door - many people I know are worried about computer
>> related security. It is a rising public awareness, in media too. They
>> often are well aware of microsofts unpleasant ways of doing business.
>> 'sucking blood' was an actual phrase used to me last weekend.
>>
>> Microsoft is helping us out with Vista.
>>
>> An added bonus could be that we have a wonderfully helpful and
>> knowledgable Community!
>>
>> Can we put these together in to a (truthful) FUD package of our own,
>> surely this is possible?
>> --
>> alan cocks
>> Kubuntu user#10391
>>
>> --
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>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
>>
> 
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] What do I need (live audio recording)

[Pete Stean]

On the mixing desk front, one of the little Behringer jobs with 4 XLR
inputs would probably do you if you're looking for a cost-effective solution
- simple, straightforward features, easy to use etc  :)

A Behringer Xenyx 1202 would probably suit unless you need more inputs or
you want to do more fancy processing on the board rather than in post - I
have one, it's fine and was bloody cheap too

Pete

On 23/08/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> TBH From my experience professional recording on linux simply isnt
> there yet (well, at reasonable prices anyway).
>
> However some pointers:
>
> Hardware wise I would most definately reccomend a professional
> soundcard. Try the M-Audio 2496 for a cheap decent prof card (about
> £60-70). Whatever card you get, make sure it is compatible with ASIO.
> ASIO is an interface specifically made for professional audio mixing
> apps, the main thing it does is reduce latency like crazy.
>
> You want to have Balanced Inputs.
>
> You want a Mixer. That takes Balanced XLR inputs.
>
> Balanced means that 3 signals are sent: The first is the normal
> signal. The second is an inverse of that signal. The third is a ground
> signal. The signal is recreated by taking the difference of the normal
> and inversed signal. Noise generated on the line is then removed using
> the ground signal.
>
> Microphone wise, you can't go wrong with an SM58 (£50-60). SM58 is
> your bog-standard dynamic vocal mic. Great for live / outdoors etc.
> For instruments try the SM57. If you have a good environment and want
> a nicer 'studio' sound invest in a pair of Rhode NT1's. (£100 > each)
> A pair will let you do stereo recordings (research stereo pair - takes
> advantage of the cardoid nature of the mics), and because they are
> compressor mics as opposed to dynamics you get a much better sound. Be
> gentle with them though.
>
> For drums try an SM57 on the snare and hi-hat, SM58 on the bass drum
> and the NT1's in a stereo pair over the cymbals. Not a brilliant
> setup, but costs sod-all.
>
> For software something like Audacity simply is not powerful enough for
> music recording etc, something more beefy is needed. I personally am a
> Logic fan and will refuse to work with anything else for more than 5
> minutes, so I'm not a lot of help here.
>
>
> I am in no way an expert but I hope this helps
>
> Regards
>
> On 17/08/07, Neil Greenwood < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 17/08/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > What I need advice on are:
> > >
> > > - Advice on what audio editing software I need (I'm coming from an
> Adobe
> > > Audition / CoolEdit) background, and the key features I need are
> > > FFT-based noise reduction, track volume normalisation, and in-line
> editing.)
> >
> > Audacity seems to be mature and have lots of features. It's also
> > available on Windows.
> >
> > Jono Bacon started a team to develop Jokosher, but I don't know how
> > far they've got with it. I don't think they've released v1.0 yet,
> > although I could be wrong on that - haven't heard much about it for
> > months.
> >
> >
> > Hwyl,
> > Neil.
> >
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> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
> >
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Bug #1 - what we're up against

[Matthew Larsen]

Well thats the biggest threat to linux: If Microsoft charged
reasonable licenses for their software (ie £20 for Vista Ultimate),
FOSS would be blown out of the water.

But MS is a monopoly and that won't happen unless they really need to

On 17/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Neil Greenwood wrote:
> > A very good discussion about why Linux doesn't have a greater market share.
> > http://tlug.jp/articles/Windows_Is_Free
>
> A well put case with a closely argued set of points. Worth reading.
>
> also see:
>
> How Microsoft conquered China
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/07/23/100134488/
> Extract:
> Today Gates openly concedes that tolerating piracy turned out to be
> Microsoft's best long-term strategy. That's why Windows is used on an
> estimated 90% of China's 120 million PCs. "It's easier for our
> software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's
> not," Gates says. "Are you kidding? You can get the real thing, and
> you get the same price." Indeed, in China's back alleys, Linux often
> costs more than Windows because it requires more disks. And
> Microsoft's own prices have dropped so low it now sells a $3 package
> of Windows and Office to students
>
> Comment: historically, the Good GUI of windows appeared sooner than
> the good GUI of Linux, so market momentum for windows has been well
> established.
>
> To *change* market momentum, we need a marketing approach which pushes
> at an open door - many people I know are worried about computer
> related security. It is a rising public awareness, in media too. They
> often are well aware of microsofts unpleasant ways of doing business.
> 'sucking blood' was an actual phrase used to me last weekend.
>
> Microsoft is helping us out with Vista.
>
> An added bonus could be that we have a wonderfully helpful and
> knowledgable Community!
>
> Can we put these together in to a (truthful) FUD package of our own,
> surely this is possible?
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>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Professionally printed leaflets

[Matthew Larsen]

:D They like the artwork

I'm happy to kick in some cash, this weekend I will DEFINATELY finish
the leaflet.

Regards,

On 17/08/07, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eddie Armstrong wrote:
> > Rob Beard wrote:
> > little metal badges would be nice - is there such a thing as ubuntu uk
> > badges? (I want one :-)
>
> Not sure about Ubuntu badges.  I have a Tux badge.
>
> They do have some Ubuntu branded stuff on Canonical's shop pages.  I
> like the Ubuntu mug and keyring :-)
>
> Rob
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] What do I need (live audio recording)

[Matthew Larsen]

TBH From my experience professional recording on linux simply isnt
there yet (well, at reasonable prices anyway).

However some pointers:

Hardware wise I would most definately reccomend a professional
soundcard. Try the M-Audio 2496 for a cheap decent prof card (about
£60-70). Whatever card you get, make sure it is compatible with ASIO.
ASIO is an interface specifically made for professional audio mixing
apps, the main thing it does is reduce latency like crazy.

You want to have Balanced Inputs.

You want a Mixer. That takes Balanced XLR inputs.

Balanced means that 3 signals are sent: The first is the normal
signal. The second is an inverse of that signal. The third is a ground
signal. The signal is recreated by taking the difference of the normal
and inversed signal. Noise generated on the line is then removed using
the ground signal.

Microphone wise, you can't go wrong with an SM58 (£50-60). SM58 is
your bog-standard dynamic vocal mic. Great for live / outdoors etc.
For instruments try the SM57. If you have a good environment and want
a nicer 'studio' sound invest in a pair of Rhode NT1's. (£100 > each)
A pair will let you do stereo recordings (research stereo pair - takes
advantage of the cardoid nature of the mics), and because they are
compressor mics as opposed to dynamics you get a much better sound. Be
gentle with them though.

For drums try an SM57 on the snare and hi-hat, SM58 on the bass drum
and the NT1's in a stereo pair over the cymbals. Not a brilliant
setup, but costs sod-all.

For software something like Audacity simply is not powerful enough for
music recording etc, something more beefy is needed. I personally am a
Logic fan and will refuse to work with anything else for more than 5
minutes, so I'm not a lot of help here.


I am in no way an expert but I hope this helps

Regards

On 17/08/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 17/08/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What I need advice on are:
> >
> > - Advice on what audio editing software I need (I'm coming from an Adobe
> > Audition / CoolEdit) background, and the key features I need are
> > FFT-based noise reduction, track volume normalisation, and in-line editing.)
>
> Audacity seems to be mature and have lots of features. It's also
> available on Windows.
>
> Jono Bacon started a team to develop Jokosher, but I don't know how
> far they've got with it. I don't think they've released v1.0 yet,
> although I could be wrong on that - haven't heard much about it for
> months.
>
>
> Hwyl,
> Neil.
>
> --
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Aluminum Case Stickers

[Matthew Larsen]

Wowzers when was this discussed? Count me in definatly

On 16/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello -
>
> A message over on the ubuntu-uk forum asks about ordering the
> aluminium case stickers discussed at the last meeting:
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3195667
>
> Does anyone know if we're still interested in ordering as a team, and
> if so how to we go about registering interest and proceeding this?
>
> I think Nik discussed putting together a wiki page, is there one? If
> one needs putting together I'd be happy to if people are busy.
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] comments

[Matthew Larsen]

> On a slightly different tack, I do believe that people in our lists
> are rather technically oriented, as might be expected. In marketing
> and business terms, the technically best product does not always win,
> even though it helps.
> alan cocks

YES! Finally someone who see's it from my POV

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[Pete Stean]

Do you know what, Matthew - I don't think I could disagree more. Some
well-placed videos on youtube have the potential to introduce lots of people
to a non-Windows alternative. We should be exploiting *any and all* channels
to get the message across that Ubuntu and open source offer a credible
alternative to Mr Gates' products

Pete


On 23/08/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey all, been a while
>
> IMO I think the idea of viral videos is a waste of time. When have
> they ever worked? I personally think its just a buzz-word and a
> marketing experiment gone crazy. We need to stop trying to 'trick'
> people in to moving to Linux. We need to show people the benefits and
> the facts, none of this bulls**t lifestyle 'join the crowd' bollocks
> that floats around too much. People make up their own minds to switch,
> its just about raising awareness, crushing the myths and informing
> people. IMO that's what will REALLY get people to switch en masse
>
> I think using live demonstrations is a fantastic idea. People get to
> see what happens, ask questions and immediatly get shown how to do it.
> This could even be extended to using pre-recorded demo's for common
> tasks etc.
>
> On another note hope everyone is having a good summer!
>
> Regards,
>
> On 23/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jim Kissel wrote:
> > >
> > > Ian Pascoe wrote:
> > >>
> > >> PS  Is everyone on holiday this week as the list seems awful quiet?
> > >>
> > > Only all of Europe, or so it seems.  Not only are the mailing lists I
> > > subscribe to quite, there is not much news either or so it seems to
> me.
> >
> > now is the time then to field the type of story about
> > 'Man bites Windows!'
> > :-)
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> >
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[Matthew Larsen]

Hey all, been a while

IMO I think the idea of viral videos is a waste of time. When have
they ever worked? I personally think its just a buzz-word and a
marketing experiment gone crazy. We need to stop trying to 'trick'
people in to moving to Linux. We need to show people the benefits and
the facts, none of this bulls**t lifestyle 'join the crowd' bollocks
that floats around too much. People make up their own minds to switch,
its just about raising awareness, crushing the myths and informing
people. IMO that's what will REALLY get people to switch en masse

I think using live demonstrations is a fantastic idea. People get to
see what happens, ask questions and immediatly get shown how to do it.
This could even be extended to using pre-recorded demo's for common
tasks etc.

On another note hope everyone is having a good summer!

Regards,

On 23/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Kissel wrote:
> >
> > Ian Pascoe wrote:
> >>
> >> PS  Is everyone on holiday this week as the list seems awful quiet?
> >>
> > Only all of Europe, or so it seems.  Not only are the mailing lists I
> > subscribe to quite, there is not much news either or so it seems to me.
>
> now is the time then to field the type of story about
> 'Man bites Windows!'
> :-)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[alan c]

Jim Kissel wrote:
> 
> Ian Pascoe wrote:
>> 
>> PS  Is everyone on holiday this week as the list seems awful quiet?
>> 
> Only all of Europe, or so it seems.  Not only are the mailing lists I 
> subscribe to quite, there is not much news either or so it seems to me.

now is the time then to field the type of story about
'Man bites Windows!'
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[alan c]

Ian Pascoe wrote:
> Hi Alan
> 
> Yep, see what you mean about the human factor.
> 
> But, how did you know that the promo videos on stands as you were walking
> around were aimed at other people?  Is this your past experience and you
> deliberately  ignore 'em, or do you watch a couple of moments just to make
> sure that you're not really missing something?

I think it is the experience I have of living in a retail and 
marketing saturated environment - I am tuned to (mostly) ignore things 
which are overtly aimed at me as a potential consumer. Apps like Tux 
Paint within easy reach will get attention of kids, they are lookig 
for fun. I guess it depends a lot on who the passing audience actually 
is, and how relevant the video is, both nice marketing judgments.

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