Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
Hi, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 01:14 +, Pete Stean wrote: Flippin heck Jai u been living under a stone? No, no card is required for freeview, it's 'free' Btw if you can get it I almost guarantee you will spend most of your time watching channels 'Dave' and 'Virgin1' - both recent additions and have decent programming :) 'Dave' has things like QI and Top Gear, and 'Virgin1' are currently running DS9 at 8pm every night, and Enterprise every few nights :D I'm a happy geek Is Dave actually free now? I haven't been away (when I use my TV card) for a while and it used to be on a separate multiplex to Freeview. As for Virgin 1 - I'll be a lot happier when they start screening STTNG, I never really cared for DS9, not until the Dominion appears. Jai, As for the antenna, you may need to buy one, there's a good FAQ here: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a10302/dtt-faq.html#q04 Cheers, Dougie Richardson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Goodbye all
Just a quick note to say Goodbye to all those doing good work with Ubuntu. However, I'm afraid that given that appears acceptable behaviour on this list to make accusations of exploitation and corruption, and present that in language of a sexual nature, I no longer wish to be a part of this community. M. Mark, Marvel as you witness first hand, evidence of email being a totally useless way to communicate an idea. If you and I had discussed this over a pint in the pub, you'd probably dig where I was coming from. As it is, I think you're making a big issue out of a problem that doesn't really exist. It's not healthy to wind yourself up so much, over something so daft, where it's obvious that there was no language of a sexual nature (I think you know that) intended. Getting into these kinds of arguments is of absoloutely no benefit (especially not at this time in the morning with a raging hangover). I agree. This needs to be put to bed. Oh, and just to address the linux fanboism post. I work supporting (primarily) Microsoft based systems. This isn't going to change any time soon, because MS does the job of large scale desktop deployment and configuration better than Linux does. When someone can show me something as rounded and easily configurable as Active Directory, then I'll collect my Linux fanboi wings at the door Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
snip until 2011 (a LONG, unbearable way away). Freeview.co.uk reports my area is without any FreeView whatsoever while DigitalUK says that I can receive some channels now. snip Yeah, we had that problem too. One way around it is to get the cheapest Sky package, and cancel your contract after the first year is up. You get to keep the sattelite and reciever, but you can get the free channels anyway. It looks like Sky are going to start pulling channels off Freeview and charging for them though... I'm not sure if that'd mean they'll still allow the channels to be broadcast free over sattelite? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/02/09/cnfree09.xml Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Promoting Ubuntu
Quoting Gaurav Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yep, Locustworld are the source of our mesh boxes (which are damn unstable right now, random reboots anyone?) We have a few problems where there are poor signal areas in the estate so we used to provide those nifty ethernet over powerline jobbys, but those are pretty lame and don't solve all the problems (we had the mesh boxes connected at the top of the tower blocks and then the network signal was injected into the electricity at the top) Right now we're piloting some Edimax wireless access points but pre-configured to act as a repeater as well. Go around to some charity organisations and simply ask if they're throwing any computer hardware out. You'll be amazed at what you'll find! Schools are worth trying aswell. I did managed to get 15 K6/2 machines from a local school (who's IT guy was a member of my local LUG) which hopefully will be put into community centres as LTSP clients. Another member of our local LUG works at the local council, they're currently disposing of P4 2GHz machines which we're trying to get hold of as not only would they be great for community centres, they'd make great Linux machines to give out like what you're doing. I certainly think this is something some of the members of my local LUG might be interested in. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
Jai Harrison wrote: I forgot to ask in the previous e-mail. Is a card required for Freeview like with Sky? Nope, you don't need a card for Freeview, only a Freeview box. You can get a box with a card slot for things like Topup TV which offer a couple of subscription channels for about £7 or so a month, but thats entirely optional. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
Jai Harrison wrote: Hey guys, Will all FreeView boxes work in the same way? If so then all I need to do is borrow one from a friend and see if it works, right? Either way I'll need the aerial because I don't have one on my roof. Is the aerial I linked to a good one? Will one of those be suitable or do I need to somehow get a good one installed on the roof? Jai I wonder if you're not so confident going up on your roof you may be worth speaking to a couple of aerial installers and see what they say. Some may say you can get it, others may say you can't, but a decent aerial installer would be registered with the CAI (http://www.cai.org.uk) and won't mind going up on the roof. I won't go up on my roof because I'm scared of heights and I don't want to suffer the same fate as Rod Hull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Hull). Have a look at the CAI web site, they have a search facility to find installers who are registered with them. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Promoting Ubuntu
Ironic, isnt it, that the linux community is helping Bills one computer on every desk thing, whilest hes trying to sue us at the same time. On 10/30/07, Gaurav Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a member of a team of an organisation where I volunteer every Wednesday to offer free wireless Internet in an estate in Kingston, London. A problem we had was that many people in this estate had very little money and very little computing knowledge. Long story short, we had to supply the computers. We had another charity organisation offer a around 80 old Dell Optiplex (I think the model number is GX1). We pre-install these computers with Ubuntu 6.06 and give everything away for a low low price of £0. If you want to know more about what we're doing, there's some information on the website at http://www.e-voice.org.uk/comcon/. I probably wrote all of this and has no valid part of the current discussion, so apologies if that's the case! On 30/10/2007, Andrew Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/10/2007, Ciaran Mooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, There is an event that already does this kind of advocacy. Its called Software Freedom Day. Every year around September time voluteers organise an event all on the same day to promote free software. Canonical sponsor the event and the official distro to hand out is Ubuntu, though you can hand out any one you want. Also we distribute The Open CD. I believe a combined effort from all free software advocates on Software Freedom Day is probably better than small lone Ubuntu specific events, sporadically happening through out the year. There are events held is quite a few major cities in the UK http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/europe/uk I understand if Ubuntu-UK would like to organise their own event, separate from SFD, but from my experience organising an event by myself in Birmingham all the help I could get was very appreciated. Having Ubuntu-UK behind the next SFD would help a lot. Ciarán On 10/29/07, Matthew Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, this approach works very well. On 29/10/2007, Michael Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys We're always trying to think of ideas and ways to promote Ubuntu/Linux... why not stick to the basics?? Canonical sends out CD's for free upon request... i don't know how many, and what they would think of this, but: We gets tons of CD's in boxes, we get an Ubuntu jacket with big writing saying something like: Ubuntu Linux Free OS Free Office ... and then some of us volunteer to stand in city centres on the weekend (maybe two or three in a group so we can answer questions etc) and hand them out like flyers. We include a little slip that explains how they can try it (live) and install it etc. Probably some of them will get thrown away, and many will remain unused, but surely the relatively low-cost of this type of promotion will prove effective??? Even if its just the oh yes i've heard of that type. What do you think? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- Matthew Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ The school idea sounds pretty good. I would possibly look into doing that here, keep us posted on how you do with sponsorship. Information on this would be great to provide to the community so that people everywhere could do the same. -- Andrew Alexander Barber -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do you use the forums...?
I use the forums and the wiki a lot when hunting for answers to problems or howtos - such as my current issue of trying to get a zboard merc working correctly. Like Philip though i've got a very unimpressive post count -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do you use the forums...?
Hi Dan, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 09:54 +, Dan Attwood wrote: I use the forums and the wiki a lot when hunting for answers to problems or howtos - such as my current issue of trying to get a zboard merc working correctly. Like Philip though i've got a very unimpressive post count Post count is pretty meaningless as most of the people I've helped either provide information needed in dribs and drabs or ask the same answer to be repeated ad nauseum. Cheers, Dougie Richardson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
Dougie Richardson wrote: Hi, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 09:39 +, Rob Beard wrote: If all else fails, Lidl often do digital satellite kits which can pick up the Free to Air channels off the same satellites as what Sky Digital use. I bought one of these, meant for caravans but it is absolutely outstanding. When my Sky dish broke down for the umpteenth time I used it connected to the Sky box. I even took the thing out to Iraq with me a few years back. It is easy to set up to - You attach a compass device to it and aim it roughly at the satellite then the box emits a high pitched sound that gets louder with a good signal so you can position it. It picks up much more than Astra too, plenty of channels from around the world. Ahh the one I was on about was a 60cm dish which is wall mounted, although now you mention it, I wonder if one for a caravan would be better. I can't get Sky where I live because of some trees behind my house which 'supposedly' block the signal. My dad got one of the Lidl packages so he could get Hotbird (he already has an existing receiver pointing to Astra), although I'll keep an eye out for one of those caravan kits. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do you use the forums...?
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 10:07 +, Dougie Richardson wrote: Hi Dan, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 09:54 +, Dan Attwood wrote: I use the forums and the wiki a lot when hunting for answers to problems or howtos - such as my current issue of trying to get a zboard merc working correctly. Like Philip though i've got a very unimpressive post count Post count is pretty meaningless as most of the people I've helped either provide information needed in dribs and drabs or ask the same answer to be repeated ad nauseum. Cheers, Dougie Richardson Such is the life of an unanswered posts team member :) Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Mint
Hi Chris, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 11:54 +, Chris Rowson wrote: Hi folks, [snip] Has anyone else used Linux Mint, or have any thoughts? Chris I have used it and it is very polished but I have concerns at the way the distro comes with pre-configured codecs and basically completely ignores the concept of free software. Don't get me wrong I'm not against proprietary formats as such but given MS and the many patent trolls out there I do wonder if they are leaving themselves open to lawsuits. Cheers, Dougie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
So my best bet is to borrow the best non-roof aerial I can find off of someone and the same for a Freeview box and hope I have some luck. If I do then I buy the equipment myself. No one seems to have mentioned it so I will. Make sure that you have digital quality cable from your aerial to the box. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Mint
SNIP In this country we don't recognise software patents do we ? SNIP *IANAL* No, but we do recognise patients based upon a developed technology. I struggle to see the divide tbh. Kind Regards, Dave Walker See, I told you this confused me :-p I still don't get it! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Mint
Hi Chris, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 12:12 +, Chris Rowson wrote: I did think about that and it's a valid point, and this software is only of any use to people who don't care about the philosophical and moral sides of free software. I do think that it's a pretty good drop in replacement for ex-users of Windows XP who mightn't care about free software concepts as such... As for patent problems. This is something that always confuses me. In this country we don't recognise software patents do we ? No, I believe the European Union does not recognise them. However, it hasn't really been put to the test yet and it has been argued that codecs aren't software patents but algorithm patents. It is a good drop in, I can't argue about that. Cheers, Dougie Richardson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
norman wrote: So my best bet is to borrow the best non-roof aerial I can find off of someone and the same for a Freeview box and hope I have some luck. If I do then I buy the equipment myself. No one seems to have mentioned it so I will. Make sure that you have digital quality cable from your aerial to the box. Norman Thats a good point, in poor signal areas decent cable makes all the difference. I got 100 metres of digital cable from a local electrical trade counter for I think about £30 which is the same stuff as what Sky/Virgin Media use. Instead of plastic insert its more of a foam type insert and I think it's got extra shielding too. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 12:11 +, norman wrote: No one seems to have mentioned it so I will. Make sure that you have digital quality cable from your aerial to the box. Norman Normal cable worked fine for me, and I'm in a no signal area, using an analogue aerial. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 12:11 +, norman wrote: No one seems to have mentioned it so I will. Make sure that you have digital quality cable from your aerial to the box. Norman Normal cable worked fine for me, and I'm in a no signal area, using an analogue aerial. Fortunate man although perhaps I should explain what I meant by suitable cable. It seems that over the last year or so digital cable has been used for analogue connections and, of course, connections to dishes is always in digital cable. It looks very similar to analogue cable from the outside and is only one or two pence per metre more expensive. For instance, I had a new aerial some 4 0r 5 years ago and the cable used was digital compliant. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Mint
Have to admit I've never played with it though it does seem to get good press. Would there be any gain to following Alan C's example and createing your own spin including the codexs you want to install - or would that give you Linux Mint anyway? E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dougie Richardson Sent: 03 November 2007 12:46 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Mint Hi Chris, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 12:12 +, Chris Rowson wrote: I did think about that and it's a valid point, and this software is only of any use to people who don't care about the philosophical and moral sides of free software. I do think that it's a pretty good drop in replacement for ex-users of Windows XP who mightn't care about free software concepts as such... As for patent problems. This is something that always confuses me. In this country we don't recognise software patents do we ? No, I believe the European Union does not recognise them. However, it hasn't really been put to the test yet and it has been argued that codecs aren't software patents but algorithm patents. It is a good drop in, I can't argue about that. Cheers, Dougie Richardson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
Hi Norman, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 14:41 +, norman wrote: Fortunate man although perhaps I should explain what I meant by suitable cable. It seems that over the last year or so digital cable has been used for analogue connections and, of course, connections to dishes is always in digital cable. It looks very similar to analogue cable from the outside and is only one or two pence per metre more expensive. For instance, I had a new aerial some 4 0r 5 years ago and the cable used was digital compliant. As an electronic engineer, I am genuinely interested - what exactly is digital compliant cable? I've seen this said before and am quite interested if anyone has any links as to what the difference is. Given the distances involved in using this cable and the fact it has a great big antenna on one end I would be interested in any claims of improving selectivity or reducing interference because. Dougie Richardson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] [ADVERT] Ubuntu case badges
Hi, I have a bunch of Ubuntu case badges which I am selling for 25p each. They are robust aluminium ones which can replace the Windows/Intel stickers you often find on laptops. They are bright shiny and very sticky. This is what they look like:- http://linkpot.net/stonewall/ If anyone is interested in one or more, please let me know via email. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [ADVERT] Ubuntu case badges
Alan Pope wrote: Hi, I have a bunch of Ubuntu case badges which I am selling for 25p each. They are robust aluminium ones which can replace the Windows/Intel stickers you often find on laptops. They are bright shiny and very sticky. This is what they look like:- http://linkpot.net/stonewall/ If anyone is interested in one or more, please let me know via email. I'll take 20. There might be someone interested on the Surrey LUG this coming weekend. Cheers, Al. -- People choose Microsoft Windows for their PC in the same manner that the citizens of Soviet Russia elected the General Secretary of the Communist Party during the cold war. Jim Kissel Open Source Migrations Limited w: http://www.osml.eu e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44(0) 8703 301044 m: +44(0) 7976 411 679 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
snip As an electronic engineer, I am genuinely interested - what exactly is digital compliant cable? I've seen this said before and am quite interested if anyone has any links as to what the difference is. Given the distances involved in using this cable and the fact it has a great big antenna on one end I would be interested in any claims of improving selectivity or reducing interference because. Perhaps the terms I used are not technically correct. My experience is as follows:- I bought a length of 10 metres of what I call ordinary TV cable, from my local hardware shop and used it run an extension to my computer so as to run Mythtv on digital channels. When I came to scan for channels there was insufficient signal strength to get a lock. So, with digital TV in mind, I replaced the cable with a length of so called sky cable and the signal strength was much better and Mythtv worked. The cross section of the two cables is quite different and I suspect there is a difference in impedance and is really nothing to do with the difference between digital and analogue signals signals, or is it? Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [ADVERT] Ubuntu case badges
Hi Jim, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 20:26 +, Jim Kissel wrote: I'll take 20. There might be someone interested on the Surrey LUG this coming weekend. I should be there. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freeview
Hi Norman, On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 20:49 +, norman wrote: Perhaps the terms I used are not technically correct. My experience is as follows:- I bought a length of 10 metres of what I call ordinary TV cable, from my local hardware shop and used it run an extension to my computer so as to run Mythtv on digital channels. When I came to scan for channels there was insufficient signal strength to get a lock. So, with digital TV in mind, I replaced the cable with a length of so called sky cable and the signal strength was much better and Mythtv worked. The cross section of the two cables is quite different and I suspect there is a difference in impedance and is really nothing to do with the difference between digital and analogue signals signals, or is it? Ah I see, I hadn't considered the routing of cables indoors. The chances are the difference in cross section are less in impedance but more related to the shielding afforded the cable. Coaxial cable can be a real pain - especially in systems where voltage standing wave ratio is an issue. Because you are not transmitting but only receiving though this is not a problem with TV reception, its interference that causes the problem. Digital transmission is essentially the same as analogue, from the point of view of how the signal is physically transported. The problem is that a digital signal once decoded tends to lose resolution (I mean resolution in the transmission sense not the display sense) when there are signal problems - you either get a signal that works or not. Analogue often gives a poor but usable picture. Cheers, Dougie Richardson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do you use the forums...?
Hi On 02/11/2007, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so could you please vote in this poll? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599844 It might help if you refer to the development wiki. From a lot of the answers it sounds like people have assumed you are referring to the help wiki, even though you've put the url in the title. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [ADVERT] Ubuntu case badges
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 16:02 -0400, Alan Pope wrote: I have a bunch of Ubuntu case badges which I am selling for 25p each. They are robust aluminium ones which can replace the Windows/Intel stickers you often find on laptops. They are bright shiny and very sticky. I have one of these - highly recommended! -- Dave Murphy - http://www.schwuk.com Pownce - http://pownce.com/schwuk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 17:09 +, Ian Pascoe wrote: Why not look at a cross platform compiler like Mono for instance? It'd mean that when you've written your app, it'd work on your Linux box as well as M$ etc disclaimer I've not actively used Mono or .NET actively for development in 12+ months. /disclaimer I think you're overselling Mono there. Whilst you can make cross platform applications - meaning they can run in either environment - using either Mono or .NET, actually doing so is more difficult especially if you want a GUI. If Mono have improved their Windows Forms code then you might be able to run your .NET developed app in Mono, but you either have to explicitly develop for Windows Forms or install GTK# in Windows to use your Mono app on Windows. The only practical way to do so is to abstract your UI code completely and implement it for each platform. Unfortunately write once, run anywhere just doesn't work for anything other than simple apps. -- Dave Murphy - http://www.schwuk.com Pownce - http://pownce.com/schwuk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 21:02 +, Dougie Richardson wrote: I'll probably get castigated for this but I use both and found Python and GTK much less hassle and easier to get up to speed with quickly. I seriously doubt you will. Python is widely recognised as one of the best languages to learn for general development. -- Dave Murphy - http://www.schwuk.com Pownce - http://pownce.com/schwuk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
