Re: [ubuntu-uk] Skype 2.0 beta

2008-02-09 Thread Johnathon Tinsley

- "Greg K Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 17:38 +, Mark Fraser wrote:
> > I've just done a package update and found I had 2 updates for Skype.
> When I 
> > loaded it I noticed it was version 2.0 (beta), which means webcam
> support :) 
> > Tried it with my Logitech webcam and it detects it, just need to do
> a live 
> > test now.
> 
> Is it still using a proprietary protocol?

Yup

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Skype 2.0 beta

2008-02-09 Thread Greg K Nicholson

On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 17:38 +, Mark Fraser wrote:
> I've just done a package update and found I had 2 updates for Skype. When I 
> loaded it I noticed it was version 2.0 (beta), which means webcam support :) 
> Tried it with my Logitech webcam and it detects it, just need to do a live 
> test now.

Is it still using a proprietary protocol?
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[ubuntu-uk] Skype 2.0 beta

2008-02-09 Thread Mark Fraser
I've just done a package update and found I had 2 updates for Skype. When I 
loaded it I noticed it was version 2.0 (beta), which means webcam support :) 
Tried it with my Logitech webcam and it detects it, just need to do a live 
test now.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Bill Gates Interview/documentary

2008-02-09 Thread Chris Rowson
> > Does anyone have any ideas of information we could pass on (she seemed
> > to be woefully lacking in information about Linux and was eagerly
> > writing everything I said down in her notebook, even though I don't know
> > that much myself)?

Hi Thomas,

Stephen Fry has written a piece on open source, Linux and the Asus Eee PC here:

http://stephenfry.com/blog/?p=39

Personally I think his writing style strikes just the right balance of
entertainment and information. Perfect for making the subject
palatable to non-nerds.

Also, check out the open-source tag over at the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/opensource

Cheers

Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] USB Hard Drive Group Permissions

2008-02-09 Thread Stuart Bird
Andrew

Thank you for such an in depth and informative response. Changing the  uid= to 
blank did the trick in the end.

Stu 

- Original Message 
From: Andrew Oakley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: British Ubuntu Talk 
Sent: Friday, 8 February, 2008 11:25:18 AM
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] USB Hard Drive Group Permissions

Stuart 
Bird 
wrote:
> 
The 
first 
way 
is 
to 
use: 
gksudo 
nautilus 
to 
access 
and 
edit 
files 
as 
> 
root. 
The 
second 
way 
is 
to 
add 
myself 
to 
the 
root 
group 
which 
then 
> 
allows 
me 
full 
control 
from 
my 
normal 
users 
account.
> 
> 
Can 
anyone 
advise 
if 
these 
are 
viable 
(ie 
safe) 
long 
term 
solutions 
or 
> 
should 
I 
keep 
searching 
for 
a 
better 
way.

Are 
you 
logged 
into 
Gnome 
when 
you 
attach 
the 
external 
drive, 
or 
do 
you 
have 
it 
plugged 
in 
when 
you 
switch 
on?

If 
you 
have 
it 
plugged 
in 
when 
you 
switch 
on, 
it 
won't 
know 
who 
to 
mount 
it 
as, 
and 
may 
default 
to 
root; 
you 
may 
need 
to 
write 
an 
/etc/fstab 
rule 
for 
the 
external 
drive 
with 
uid=youruserid 
and/or 
gid=yourgroup 
. 
For 
example, 
my 
username 
is 
aoakley, 
so 
to 
mount 
a 
FAT 
external 
drive 
at 
boot 
time, 
I 
might 
write 
an 
/etc/fstab 
rule 
like:

/dev/sdb 
/media/mymountpoint 
vfat 
rw,uid=aoakley 
0 
0

Beware 
that 
not 
all 
external 
hard 
drives 
are 
VFAT! 
Some 
may 
be 
NTFS 
or 
somesuch.

Alternatively 
I 
might 
use 
umask 
to 
make 
it 
read/writable 
to 
everyone 
within 
a 
particular 
group:

/dev/sdb 
/media/mymountpoint 
vfat 
rw,umask=007 
0 
0

...which 
would 
make 
it 
read/writable 
to 
everyone 
in 
the 
root 
group, 
or:

/dev/sdb 
/media/mymountpoint 
vfat 
rw,gid=aoakley,umask=007 
0 
0

...which 
would 
make 
it 
read/writable 
to 
everyone 
in 
aoakley's 
group, 
or:

/dev/sdb 
/media/mymountpoint 
vfat 
rw,umask=000 
0 
0

...which 
would 
make 
it 
owned 
by 
root 
but 
read/writable 
to 
everyone, 
even 
guest 
users 
(INSECURE!).

(Stop 
reading 
now 
if 
you 
attach 
the 
drive 
before 
the 
machine 
is 
switched 
on, 
or 
if 
you 
always 
leave 
the 
drive 
plugged 
in. 
The 
following 
only 
apply 
if 
you 
attach 
the 
drive 
AFTER 
you 
log 
in 
to 
Gnome.)

Newly 
plugged-in 
USB 
drives 
AFTER 
you 
have 
logged 
in 
to 
Gnome 
should 
automatically 
be 
mounted 
as 
the 
logged-in 
user 
(eg. 
aoakley 
for 
myself) 
and 
root 
as 
the 
group.

Have 
you 
got 
more 
than 
one 
user 
logged 
into 
Gnome 
perhaps? 
This 
might 
cause 
confusion.

For 
example, 
I 
log 
in 
to 
Gnome 
and 
insert 
a 
1GB 
USB 
key, 
so 
I 
get:

$ 
cat 
/etc/mtab
...
/dev/sdb 
/media/AO\0401GB 
vfat 
rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree 
0 
0
$ 
ls 
-l 
/media
total 
28
drwx-- 
10 
aoakley 
root 
16384 
1970-01-01 
01:00 
AO 
1GB
...

The 
last 
line 
shows 
that 
the 
user 
is 
aoakley 
(my 
local 
logged-in 
user) 
and 
the 
group 
is 
root.

If 
you 
aren't 
getting 
this, 
then 
either 
you're 
not 
using 
Gnome 
Automount, 
or 
something 
is 
wrong 
with 
Gnome 
Automount. 
Have 
you 
written 
an 
/etc/fstab 
entry 
which 
is 
overruling 
Gnome 
Automount? 
If 
so, 
try 
commenting 
it 
out.

Is 
automount 
running? 
Check 
for 
gnome-v* 
processes, 
you 
should 
see 
two; 
gnome-volume-manager 
and 
gnome-vfs-daemon 
. 
If 
not, 
something 
is 
wrong 
with 
your 
gnome 
start-up 
sequence 
(too 
complex 
to 
discuss 
here).

$ 
sudo 
ps 
-e 
| 
grep 
gnome-v
5600 
?  
  
  
  
00:00:00 
gnome-volume-ma
5630 
?  
  
  
  
00:00:00 
gnome-vfs-daemo

Check 
your 
Gnome 
Automount 
preferences 
in 
System 
- 
Preferences 
- 
Removable 
Drives 
And 
Media 
- 
Removable 
Storage 
- 
Mount 
Removable 
Drives 
When 
Hot 
Plugged 
TICKED 
- 
Mount 
Removable 
Media 
When 
Inserted 
TICKED.

Check 
your 
Gnome 
Automount 
configuration 
in 
(Alt-F2) 
- 
gconf-editor 
- 
System 
- 
Storage 
. 
Check 
that 
there 
is 
NOT 
some 
special 
rule 
for 
your 
hard 
drive. 
Then 
check 
under 
Default 
Options 
- 
(Your 
storage 
type) 
and 
make 
sure 
that 
the 
uid= 
config 
is 
either 
not 
present, 
or 
blank.

For 
instance, 
my 
gconf-editor 
- 
System 
- 
Storage 
- 
Default 
Options 
- 
VFat 
- 
mount_options 
shows:

[shortname=mixed,uid=,utf8,umask=077,exec,usefree]

The 
important 
bit 
there 
is 
"uid=" 
(uid 
equals 
empty) 
which 
defaults 
to 
the 
currently 
logged-in 
user 
in 
Gnome.

-- 
Andrew 
Oakley


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Bill Gates Interview/documentary

2008-02-09 Thread Lucy
On 09/02/2008, Thomas Ibbotson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a couple of pints), anyway I mentioned slashdot.org as a website for her
> to find some anti-microsoft sentiment

No! Slashdot is great but I'm not sure it should serve as a positive
advertisement for Linux, most of the time it just seems to be
school/college kids having an argument  ;)

> Does anyone have any ideas of information we could pass on (she seemed
> to be woefully lacking in information about Linux and was eagerly
> writing everything I said down in her notebook, even though I don't know
> that much myself)?

It might be worth educating her about free software too. I noticed
that in the recent BBC interview with Bill Gates[1] he deliberately
bastardised the term to mean software-with-no-cost and in doing so
ended up quietly insulting Linux and the whole free software movement.

For other 'alternative' views of MS Windows, see [2] and [3].

Have you given your friend an Ubuntu live cd yet? Might be worth doing
some research first if possible to make sure it will work
out-of-the-box with her machine, but there's nothing like actually
trying something out to get a real understanding of it.

Finally, have you mentioned the eeePC to her? It sounds like it's
going to be the year of the UMPC and linux along with it ;)

[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7174333.stm
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6319845.stm
[3] http://badvista.fsf.org/freesoftwarefreesociety/free-software-free-society/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Bill Gates Interview/documentary

2008-02-09 Thread alan c
Thomas Ibbotson wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I was out this evening with some people from my lab, and my supervisor 
> brought his new girlfriend along (I didn't even know my supervisor had a 
> social life, he's in the lab a lot!). It turns out that his girlfriend 
> works for the BBC and she is part of a team which a planning a 
> documentary about Bill Gates. They want to present a balanced opinion of 
> Microsoft and I was very happy to present my "balanced" opinion (I'd had 
> a couple of pints), anyway I mentioned slashdot.org as a website for her 
> to find some anti-microsoft sentiment, and talked about Linux and Ubuntu 
> and mentioned about the BBC iPlayer and its incompatibility with Linux. 
> She said that the BBC would support Macs 'soon', but didn't know 
> anything about Linux.
> 
> Anyway, I thought that this would be a good opportunity for 
> advertisement of Ubuntu, and I wonder if anyone has any ideas for 
> sources I could pass on to her via my supervisor. Of course I think she 
> would get a bit tired of a barrage of anti-microsoft propoganda. However 
> I think it might be good to pass on information about FOSS and FUD and 
> other acronyms she might not know about.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas of information we could pass on (she seemed 
> to be woefully lacking in information about Linux and was eagerly 
> writing everything I said down in her notebook, even though I don't know 
> that much myself)?


There is a fascinating  item from 2002 containing some grass roots 
arguments  for open source:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/19/ms_in_peruvian_opensource_nightmare/

Equally as powerful, if not more so is Eben Moglen's lecture at 
Edinburgh 2007. I was particularly struck by the concept of having to 
buy a sufficient quantity of mathematics to complete my everyday 
activities.
http://www.archive.org/details/EbenMoglenLectureEdinburghJune2007StreamingVideo384kbits

These are (long and) full of gold, I trust the researcher will find 
interest in them.
-- 
alan cocks
Kubuntu user#10391

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