[ubuntu-uk] TV Out from Mythbuntu not in colour

[David King]

I have for a while been trying to get TV out to work on a PC running 
Mythbuntu. I spoke to Dave at the Linux Expo a couple of weeks ago, who 
mentioned xrandr to me.

It turns out that it was already installed in Mythbuntu. I managed to 
play with the settings in Mythbuntu and got the TV out to work, sort of, 
as a separate X display. But the display on the TV is black and white, 
not colour, and it only shows the XFCE logo in the middle and some 
default desktop icons on the left. I can move the mouse from the monitor 
to the TV okay and open the icons on the TV desktop. I also tried a 
different s-video cable, but it made no difference.

I then managed to get the TV out to be a clone image of the monitor, but 
still only in black and white. I have upgraded Mythbuntu to 8.10, which 
seemed to offer better choices/design of the nvidia settings, with the 
latest drivers.

Any ideas how to get the TV out image to be in colour?


David King


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Acer Aspire

[davmor2]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:40:19 + (GMT), keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Yesterday I splashed out on a new toy - the Acer Aspire One netbook, the
> Linpus Lite version with 1GB ram, and a 120GB Hard Drive.  It's a very
nice
> little machine and ideal for a first time user, but the OS is rather
> limited.
> 
> I've checked the Howto install Ubuntu on it at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne and at face value it looks
> pretty daunting.  If it all goes pear shaped
> it seems that I've got no means of recovering the original OS because of
> the lack
> of CD drive on the machine.
> 
> So before I commit myself, can any
> of our readers who may have already accomplished the feat tell me how
> successful/useable the installation has proved to be.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Keith.
You can drop the linpus cd and a usb pendrive into a machine with a cdrom
reboot select boot from cd and select make rescue usb device (or something
similar).  By doing this you effectively create a usb install device in a
similar fashion to Ubuntu.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Acer Aspire

[Michael G Fletcher]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Simos Xenitellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Many people make the mistake to install the stock Ubuntu on the EEE.
>> The specialised version that Yishay mentions below is what people
>> should be installing instead.
>> Advanced users would stick to the stock Ubuntu on the EEE.
>>
>
> I have stock Ubuntu 8.10 on my EEE 900 and it works very nicely, much
> better than previous releases.
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
Hopefully not hijacking the thread, but i got my Eee901 on monday and
put a stock Ubuntu 8.10 on it.  All i have done differently is use a
customised kernel from www.array.org/ubuntu.  Every works
fantastically!  maybe you can find a kernel for the acer aspire?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[John]

Rob Beard wrote:

  John wrote:

  
  
What about getting somebody to buy it for me as a gift, could I get 
around import tax that way? I do have somebody who is willing to buy and 
send one to me. I already have the transformer for other stuff I have 
from the USA.

  
  
Well I haven't tried it myself, I believe it could be used as a work 
around but I'd be careful, might be more hassle than it's worth, 
especially considering a possible lack of warranty.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against importing, in fact I bought a 
MiniDisc player/recorder cheaper from eBay in the states (well, adding 
on Western Union charges back then due to no paypal account bumped the 
cost up).

I'd just be a bit weary when buying something which to me would be 
expensive.  I know some companies offer international warranties 
(Toshiba being one) but IIRC they cost extra anyway.

  
  
I have just joined the London group, which have a meet tonight, but they 
dont say where? The meet is in the west end, which is round the corner 
from me. I think this one is too soon to go to and ask about help, I 
might just see if I cant go to the next one.


  
  
That's good.  I'm in Devon so I wouldn't know where it is.  I'd suggest 
putting a post on their mailing list if possible.  I'm sure even if you 
miss the meeting they'll either have regular enough meetings or you 
might be able to meet a couple of the members for a pint/Ubuntu install 
session.

  
  
As far as my laptop is concerned, its a brand new 250gig hd, that I 
bought last month, so it has very little on it apart from the Windows XP 
and Ubuntu on it. I have only just learnt how to partition, so I have no 
idea how to add a /home partition. So, as far as copying anything, I 
dont really need to, just either a reinstall or trying to get Ubuntu 
8.10 to actually work. Would the group be able to help with installing 
the new drivers for VIA as well?


  
  
I'm sure someone from your local LUG could help.  I'd be happy to help 
if you was more local to me but alas as you're in London I'm afraid all 
I can really do is offer advice on the mailing list.  I'm sure some of 
the folks on here though are in or around London and might be able to help?


  
  
Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it.

  
  
You're welcome.  Don't give up hope, you'll get there eventually.  If I 
get chance to have a look at the VIA problem I'll let you know although 
at the moment I'm up to my ears in K6/2 motherboards (the wife has told 
me to have a sort out!).

Rob


  

I have just sent an e-mail to their list. I managed to contact somebody
about the e-mail problems and they pointed me in the right direction.

Thanks again for offering to look at the via driver, would be
interested to find out about it, if you can get it working.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Matt Jones]

Probably best to check just in case though :p

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Matt Jones wrote:
> > snip
> > I already have the transformer for other stuff I have from the USA
> >
> > Laptop's shouldn't need them. All of the power bricks I have ever seen
> > are 110/240v, so you would just need to change the plug or buy the
> > appropriate mains lead
> >
>
> Actually that didn't occur to me!
>
> Duh, suppose you're right.  Just like PC power supplies.
>
> I wish everything was like that!
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Rob Beard]

Matt Jones wrote:
> snip
> I already have the transformer for other stuff I have from the USA
> 
> Laptop's shouldn't need them. All of the power bricks I have ever seen 
> are 110/240v, so you would just need to change the plug or buy the 
> appropriate mains lead
> 

Actually that didn't occur to me!

Duh, suppose you're right.  Just like PC power supplies.

I wish everything was like that!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Rob Beard]

Andrew Oakley wrote:
> John wrote (about importing a laptop from the USA):
>> What about getting somebody to buy it for me as a gift,
> 
> That's fine so long as you're happy using an American keyboard. Frankly
> that'd drive me nuts; the at-symbol where double-quotes should be, hash
> where the pound sign should be, double-quotes where the at-symbol should
> be, and the pound sign nowhere to be found.
> 
> http://www.saunalahti.fi/janij/blog/images/2007_feb_us_keyboard_layout.p
> ng
> 

A couple of years back I bought a Compaq keyboard from a computer fair 
for my flat mate.  He was adamant that he wanted a keyboard without a £ 
sign as it was what he was used to.  Turns out his old home PC had got 
the region set to US.

I think I still have it somewhere.

I could get on with a US keyboard (I've even got on with a French AZERTY 
keyboard once) but I wouldn't like it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Rob Beard]

John wrote:

> What about getting somebody to buy it for me as a gift, could I get 
> around import tax that way? I do have somebody who is willing to buy and 
> send one to me. I already have the transformer for other stuff I have 
> from the USA.

Well I haven't tried it myself, I believe it could be used as a work 
around but I'd be careful, might be more hassle than it's worth, 
especially considering a possible lack of warranty.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against importing, in fact I bought a 
MiniDisc player/recorder cheaper from eBay in the states (well, adding 
on Western Union charges back then due to no paypal account bumped the 
cost up).

I'd just be a bit weary when buying something which to me would be 
expensive.  I know some companies offer international warranties 
(Toshiba being one) but IIRC they cost extra anyway.

> I have just joined the London group, which have a meet tonight, but they 
> dont say where? The meet is in the west end, which is round the corner 
> from me. I think this one is too soon to go to and ask about help, I 
> might just see if I cant go to the next one.
> 

That's good.  I'm in Devon so I wouldn't know where it is.  I'd suggest 
putting a post on their mailing list if possible.  I'm sure even if you 
miss the meeting they'll either have regular enough meetings or you 
might be able to meet a couple of the members for a pint/Ubuntu install 
session.

> As far as my laptop is concerned, its a brand new 250gig hd, that I 
> bought last month, so it has very little on it apart from the Windows XP 
> and Ubuntu on it. I have only just learnt how to partition, so I have no 
> idea how to add a /home partition. So, as far as copying anything, I 
> dont really need to, just either a reinstall or trying to get Ubuntu 
> 8.10 to actually work. Would the group be able to help with installing 
> the new drivers for VIA as well?
> 

I'm sure someone from your local LUG could help.  I'd be happy to help 
if you was more local to me but alas as you're in London I'm afraid all 
I can really do is offer advice on the mailing list.  I'm sure some of 
the folks on here though are in or around London and might be able to help?


> Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it.

You're welcome.  Don't give up hope, you'll get there eventually.  If I 
get chance to have a look at the VIA problem I'll let you know although 
at the moment I'm up to my ears in K6/2 motherboards (the wife has told 
me to have a sort out!).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Christopher Chatfield]

On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 17:40 +, Matt Jones wrote:
> > 
> > I'm sure as Ubuntu gains in popularity it will start
> > to get
> > pre-installed on some new machines.  The problem at
> > the moment is that
> > most people know Windows and that's what they ask
> > for.  Some companies
> > probably think it's just not cost effective to
> > supply Windows and Linux
> > (be it Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE etc). 

There's a job for one of us, selling Linux boxes on eBay.  Just need a
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[ubuntu-uk] Lonix website.....

[John]

Not sure if anybody on here belongs or runs the Lonix group in London, 
and also runs the Lonix website. I tried to join, got sent all the 
details, but when I log out, I got told my membership has been 
completely removed. Also, in the welcome e-mail, it has e-mail 
addresses/contact details for the group, that IO tried to use to contact 
them to ask them about the membership problem, and got a messages 
returned saying 550 error on their server.

Does anybody know anything about this?

Can somebody help?

Thanks.

John.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Matt Jones]

snip
I already have the transformer for other stuff I have from the USA

Laptop's shouldn't need them. All of the power bricks I have ever seen are
110/240v, so you would just need to change the plug or buy the appropriate
mains lead
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Matt Jones]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:27 PM, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Matt Jones wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> John wrote:
>> > I am sorry if this has come up before, also about cross posting, but I
>> > havent been able to find anything about it, so wanted to as about it.
>> >
>> > I am a from the UK, and because of my laptop not being up to Ubuntu
>> > specs, I have been looking into buying a laptop with ubuntu already
>> > installed. I have a friend in the USA that has just bought what he says
>> > is a really good Dell laptop with ubuntu in it for just over $400. I
>> > have been looking at the UK Dell site to fimd that the very basic Ubuntu
>> > Installed laptops by Dell, start at £300 plus Vat almost double the
>> > pirce in the USA.
>>
>>  Ahh it's the same with everything.  The Playstation 3 is about $399 over
>> there which works out about £250, whereas over here they're about £300.
>>
>> The exchange rate at the moment between US and UK is $1.61 to £1, so
>> just over $400 isn't that much less than £300, I'd say with VAT and
>> delivery charges on top you'd probably be looking at about £100
>> difference between a UK spec laptop and a US spec laptop.
>>
>> You'd also have to consider that the US laptops have US layout
>> keyboards.  Not a major problem but can be a tad annoying.
>>
>> > How come there is such a huge difference in cost? I know Dell is
>> > separate company to Ubuntu, but surely Ubuntu must have gone to
>> > discussions about their software being installed on laptops in this
>> > country.
>> >
>>
>>  I don't think it's anything to do with Canonical.  I mean Dell can
>> download the software for free.  Microsoft do special discount deals for
>> companies such as Dell, and IIRC the crudware that is supplied with
>> machines (McAfee Anti-Virus trials, Office 2007 Trials etc) helps
>> subsidise the cost of the hardware.
>>
>> Technically it shouldn't really cost any more than Windows to stick
>> Ubuntu on a machine as I'm sure Dell would create a standard build and
>> then just stick on a disc image on each laptop (as they would do with a
>> Windows machine).
>>
>> > Being a new user, I really like Ubuntu, but I'm finding it extremely
>> > frustrating not being able to use it, admittedly mainly due to my lack
>> > of experience with it, but if I could find a laptop with it already
>> > installed at a cost like they are in the USA I would dump Windows
>> > altogether, and be able to concentrate on learning Ubuntu without having
>> > to get around the problems I'm finding using it in a dual boot
>> environment.
>>
>>  Well looking through the Linux Format magazines, there are companies
>> which do provide laptops with Linux pre-installed.  The other option is
>> to do a bit of research (search Ubuntu forums, ask on here, search on
>> Google), see what laptops out on the market and how compatible they
>> generally are.  Some laptops you'd probably find would work out of the
>> box with Ubuntu (my old Dell Latitude D610 was such a beast) whereas
>> others would probably fall over when it comes to things like wireless
>> adaptors.
>>
>> I'm sure there would be someone local to you should could help install
>> Ubuntu and provide support.  That's one of the things I do in my area, I
>> help with the installation and give tutorials on how to use it. (I run a
>> business doing this, although I find that a lot of people just want
>> Windows reinstalling because they've screwed it up and my suggestions of
>> Ubuntu fall on deaf ears).
>>
>> > Right now, I lost the use of my laptop in the Ubuntu boot, after trying
>> > to install the update from 8.04 to 8.10. I find it really frustrating
>> > that to get my Ubuntu back, I have to tell ubuntu not to load compiz,
>> > which takes up a lot of what Ubuntu is. Which means I'm missing out on a
>> > lot of the functions of Ubuntu.
>>
>>  I wouldn't say compiz is a lot of functions.  If anything I kind of get
>> fed up with compiz and turn it off.  Sure it looks fancy at first but I
>> can't say I'm really fussed about eye candy like that.
>>
>> Assuming you haven't got that much data on your laptop, if I were you,
>> I'd boot from an Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop CD, copy your existing data off
>> onto something like a USB pen drive (you'd need to mount the hard drive
>> first) and then reinstall, copying the data back on afterwards.
>>
>> Another thing I'd also recommend is to have a separate partition for
>> /home.  It's not the default as far as I can remember but it's not too
>> hard to do and it can be done through the graphical installer.  That way
>> if things screw up you can reinstall and just tell the installer to
>> format / (the root partition) and leave /home intact and mount it as
>> /home.
>>
>> > So why, if Ubuntu is trying to get more people to use their products are
>> > they making it so difficult and costly for people like me who are on the
>> > lower incomes, to be able to use their pr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Andrew Oakley]

John wrote (about importing a laptop from the USA):
>What about getting somebody to buy it for me as a gift,

That's fine so long as you're happy using an American keyboard. Frankly
that'd drive me nuts; the at-symbol where double-quotes should be, hash
where the pound sign should be, double-quotes where the at-symbol should
be, and the pound sign nowhere to be found.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[John]

Matt Jones wrote:

  
  On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
  
John wrote:
> I am sorry if this has come up before, also about cross posting,
but I
> havent been able to find anything about it, so wanted to as about
it.
>
> I am a from the UK, and because of my laptop not being up to Ubuntu
> specs, I have been looking into buying a laptop with ubuntu already
> installed. I have a friend in the USA that has just bought what he
says
> is a really good Dell laptop with ubuntu in it for just over $400.
I
> have been looking at the UK Dell site to fimd that the very basic
Ubuntu
> Installed laptops by Dell, start at £300 plus Vat almost double the
> pirce in the USA.


Ahh it's the same with everything.  The Playstation 3 is about $399 over
there which works out about £250, whereas over here they're about £300.

The exchange rate at the moment between US and UK is $1.61 to £1, so
just over $400 isn't that much less than £300, I'd say with VAT and
delivery charges on top you'd probably be looking at about £100
difference between a UK spec laptop and a US spec laptop.

You'd also have to consider that the US laptops have US layout
keyboards.  Not a major problem but can be a tad annoying.

> How come there is such a huge difference in cost? I know Dell is
> separate company to Ubuntu, but surely Ubuntu must have gone to
> discussions about their software being installed on laptops in this
> country.
>


I don't think it's anything to do with Canonical.  I mean Dell can
download the software for free.  Microsoft do special discount deals for
companies such as Dell, and IIRC the crudware that is supplied with
machines (McAfee Anti-Virus trials, Office 2007 Trials etc) helps
subsidise the cost of the hardware.

Technically it shouldn't really cost any more than Windows to stick
Ubuntu on a machine as I'm sure Dell would create a standard build and
then just stick on a disc image on each laptop (as they would do with a
Windows machine).

> Being a new user, I really like Ubuntu, but I'm finding it
extremely
> frustrating not being able to use it, admittedly mainly due to my
lack
> of experience with it, but if I could find a laptop with it already
> installed at a cost like they are in the USA I would dump Windows
> altogether, and be able to concentrate on learning Ubuntu without
having
> to get around the problems I'm finding using it in a dual boot
environment.


Well looking through the Linux Format magazines, there are companies
which do provide laptops with Linux pre-installed.  The other option is
to do a bit of research (search Ubuntu forums, ask on here, search on
Google), see what laptops out on the market and how compatible they
generally are.  Some laptops you'd probably find would work out of the
box with Ubuntu (my old Dell Latitude D610 was such a beast) whereas
others would probably fall over when it comes to things like wireless
adaptors.

I'm sure there would be someone local to you should could help install
Ubuntu and provide support.  That's one of the things I do in my area, I
help with the installation and give tutorials on how to use it. (I run a
business doing this, although I find that a lot of people just want
Windows reinstalling because they've screwed it up and my suggestions of
Ubuntu fall on deaf ears).

> Right now, I lost the use of my laptop in the Ubuntu boot, after
trying
> to install the update from 8.04 to 8.10. I find it really
frustrating
> that to get my Ubuntu back, I have to tell ubuntu not to load
compiz,
> which takes up a lot of what Ubuntu is. Which means I'm missing
out on a
> lot of the functions of Ubuntu.


I wouldn't say compiz is a lot of functions.  If anything I kind of get
fed up with compiz and turn it off.  Sure it looks fancy at first but I
can't say I'm really fussed about eye candy like that.

Assuming you haven't got that much data on your laptop, if I were you,
I'd boot from an Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop CD, copy your existing data off
onto something like a USB pen drive (you'd need to mount the hard drive
first) and then reinstall, copying the data back on afterwards.

Another thing I'd also recommend is to have a separate partition for
/home.  It's not the default as far as I can remember but it's not too
hard to do and it can be done through the graphical installer.  That way
if things screw up you can reinstall and just tell the installer to
format / (the root partition) and leave /home intact and mount it as
/home.

> So why, if Ubuntu is trying to get more people to use their
products are
> they making it so difficult and costly for people like me who are
on the
> lower incomes, to be able to use their products? Is Dell the only
> company selling laptops with Ubuntu already installed? Does
anybody know
> of any other company that sells them cheaper, or would I have to
get one
> from the USA. If I do have to buy from the USA, will it work in
t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Matt Jones]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> John wrote:
> > I am sorry if this has come up before, also about cross posting, but I
> > havent been able to find anything about it, so wanted to as about it.
> >
> > I am a from the UK, and because of my laptop not being up to Ubuntu
> > specs, I have been looking into buying a laptop with ubuntu already
> > installed. I have a friend in the USA that has just bought what he says
> > is a really good Dell laptop with ubuntu in it for just over $400. I
> > have been looking at the UK Dell site to fimd that the very basic Ubuntu
> > Installed laptops by Dell, start at £300 plus Vat almost double the
> > pirce in the USA.
>
> Ahh it's the same with everything.  The Playstation 3 is about $399 over
> there which works out about £250, whereas over here they're about £300.
>
> The exchange rate at the moment between US and UK is $1.61 to £1, so
> just over $400 isn't that much less than £300, I'd say with VAT and
> delivery charges on top you'd probably be looking at about £100
> difference between a UK spec laptop and a US spec laptop.
>
> You'd also have to consider that the US laptops have US layout
> keyboards.  Not a major problem but can be a tad annoying.
>
> > How come there is such a huge difference in cost? I know Dell is
> > separate company to Ubuntu, but surely Ubuntu must have gone to
> > discussions about their software being installed on laptops in this
> > country.
> >
>
> I don't think it's anything to do with Canonical.  I mean Dell can
> download the software for free.  Microsoft do special discount deals for
> companies such as Dell, and IIRC the crudware that is supplied with
> machines (McAfee Anti-Virus trials, Office 2007 Trials etc) helps
> subsidise the cost of the hardware.
>
> Technically it shouldn't really cost any more than Windows to stick
> Ubuntu on a machine as I'm sure Dell would create a standard build and
> then just stick on a disc image on each laptop (as they would do with a
> Windows machine).
>
> > Being a new user, I really like Ubuntu, but I'm finding it extremely
> > frustrating not being able to use it, admittedly mainly due to my lack
> > of experience with it, but if I could find a laptop with it already
> > installed at a cost like they are in the USA I would dump Windows
> > altogether, and be able to concentrate on learning Ubuntu without having
> > to get around the problems I'm finding using it in a dual boot
> environment.
>
> Well looking through the Linux Format magazines, there are companies
> which do provide laptops with Linux pre-installed.  The other option is
> to do a bit of research (search Ubuntu forums, ask on here, search on
> Google), see what laptops out on the market and how compatible they
> generally are.  Some laptops you'd probably find would work out of the
> box with Ubuntu (my old Dell Latitude D610 was such a beast) whereas
> others would probably fall over when it comes to things like wireless
> adaptors.
>
> I'm sure there would be someone local to you should could help install
> Ubuntu and provide support.  That's one of the things I do in my area, I
> help with the installation and give tutorials on how to use it. (I run a
> business doing this, although I find that a lot of people just want
> Windows reinstalling because they've screwed it up and my suggestions of
> Ubuntu fall on deaf ears).
>
> > Right now, I lost the use of my laptop in the Ubuntu boot, after trying
> > to install the update from 8.04 to 8.10. I find it really frustrating
> > that to get my Ubuntu back, I have to tell ubuntu not to load compiz,
> > which takes up a lot of what Ubuntu is. Which means I'm missing out on a
> > lot of the functions of Ubuntu.
>
> I wouldn't say compiz is a lot of functions.  If anything I kind of get
> fed up with compiz and turn it off.  Sure it looks fancy at first but I
> can't say I'm really fussed about eye candy like that.
>
> Assuming you haven't got that much data on your laptop, if I were you,
> I'd boot from an Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop CD, copy your existing data off
> onto something like a USB pen drive (you'd need to mount the hard drive
> first) and then reinstall, copying the data back on afterwards.
>
> Another thing I'd also recommend is to have a separate partition for
> /home.  It's not the default as far as I can remember but it's not too
> hard to do and it can be done through the graphical installer.  That way
> if things screw up you can reinstall and just tell the installer to
> format / (the root partition) and leave /home intact and mount it as /home.
>
> > So why, if Ubuntu is trying to get more people to use their products are
> > they making it so difficult and costly for people like me who are on the
> > lower incomes, to be able to use their products? Is Dell the only
> > company selling laptops with Ubuntu already installed? Does anybody know
> > of any other company that sells them cheaper, or would I have to get one
> > from th

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[Rob Beard]

John wrote:
> I am sorry if this has come up before, also about cross posting, but I 
> havent been able to find anything about it, so wanted to as about it.
> 
> I am a from the UK, and because of my laptop not being up to Ubuntu 
> specs, I have been looking into buying a laptop with ubuntu already 
> installed. I have a friend in the USA that has just bought what he says 
> is a really good Dell laptop with ubuntu in it for just over $400. I 
> have been looking at the UK Dell site to fimd that the very basic Ubuntu 
> Installed laptops by Dell, start at £300 plus Vat almost double the 
> pirce in the USA.

Ahh it's the same with everything.  The Playstation 3 is about $399 over 
there which works out about £250, whereas over here they're about £300.

The exchange rate at the moment between US and UK is $1.61 to £1, so 
just over $400 isn't that much less than £300, I'd say with VAT and 
delivery charges on top you'd probably be looking at about £100 
difference between a UK spec laptop and a US spec laptop.

You'd also have to consider that the US laptops have US layout 
keyboards.  Not a major problem but can be a tad annoying.

> How come there is such a huge difference in cost? I know Dell is 
> separate company to Ubuntu, but surely Ubuntu must have gone to 
> discussions about their software being installed on laptops in this 
> country.
> 

I don't think it's anything to do with Canonical.  I mean Dell can 
download the software for free.  Microsoft do special discount deals for 
companies such as Dell, and IIRC the crudware that is supplied with 
machines (McAfee Anti-Virus trials, Office 2007 Trials etc) helps 
subsidise the cost of the hardware.

Technically it shouldn't really cost any more than Windows to stick 
Ubuntu on a machine as I'm sure Dell would create a standard build and 
then just stick on a disc image on each laptop (as they would do with a 
Windows machine).

> Being a new user, I really like Ubuntu, but I'm finding it extremely 
> frustrating not being able to use it, admittedly mainly due to my lack 
> of experience with it, but if I could find a laptop with it already 
> installed at a cost like they are in the USA I would dump Windows 
> altogether, and be able to concentrate on learning Ubuntu without having 
> to get around the problems I'm finding using it in a dual boot environment.

Well looking through the Linux Format magazines, there are companies 
which do provide laptops with Linux pre-installed.  The other option is 
to do a bit of research (search Ubuntu forums, ask on here, search on 
Google), see what laptops out on the market and how compatible they 
generally are.  Some laptops you'd probably find would work out of the 
box with Ubuntu (my old Dell Latitude D610 was such a beast) whereas 
others would probably fall over when it comes to things like wireless 
adaptors.

I'm sure there would be someone local to you should could help install 
Ubuntu and provide support.  That's one of the things I do in my area, I 
help with the installation and give tutorials on how to use it. (I run a 
business doing this, although I find that a lot of people just want 
Windows reinstalling because they've screwed it up and my suggestions of 
Ubuntu fall on deaf ears).

> Right now, I lost the use of my laptop in the Ubuntu boot, after trying 
> to install the update from 8.04 to 8.10. I find it really frustrating 
> that to get my Ubuntu back, I have to tell ubuntu not to load compiz, 
> which takes up a lot of what Ubuntu is. Which means I'm missing out on a 
> lot of the functions of Ubuntu.

I wouldn't say compiz is a lot of functions.  If anything I kind of get 
fed up with compiz and turn it off.  Sure it looks fancy at first but I 
can't say I'm really fussed about eye candy like that.

Assuming you haven't got that much data on your laptop, if I were you, 
I'd boot from an Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop CD, copy your existing data off 
onto something like a USB pen drive (you'd need to mount the hard drive 
first) and then reinstall, copying the data back on afterwards.

Another thing I'd also recommend is to have a separate partition for 
/home.  It's not the default as far as I can remember but it's not too 
hard to do and it can be done through the graphical installer.  That way 
if things screw up you can reinstall and just tell the installer to 
format / (the root partition) and leave /home intact and mount it as /home.

> So why, if Ubuntu is trying to get more people to use their products are 
> they making it so difficult and costly for people like me who are on the 
> lower incomes, to be able to use their products? Is Dell the only 
> company selling laptops with Ubuntu already installed? Does anybody know 
> of any other company that sells them cheaper, or would I have to get one 
> from the USA. If I do have to buy from the USA, will it work in the UK?

To be honest I don't think it's a fault of Canonical or the Ubuntu 
community.  It might be that some of the hard

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 8.10

[Rob Beard]

John wrote:
> Hi Rob, I contacted VIA, who told me they have written an upgrade to 
> their via cards that allows compiz to function. Unfortunately, I did try 
> to install it, but as I'm only a beginner I couldnt get it to work but 
> they assured me that it does work. I dont know of any body else who has 
> been found this information and installed the new drivers for me to know 
> if it does work.
> 
> Do you know anything about this?
> 
> John
> 

Nope, I haven't really had time to investigate recently.  I doubt I'll 
get time anytime soon to play with it either. :-(

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[ubuntu-uk] Question about Ubuntu installed Dell Laptops....

[John]

I am sorry if this has come up before, also about cross posting, but I 
havent been able to find anything about it, so wanted to as about it.

I am a from the UK, and because of my laptop not being up to Ubuntu 
specs, I have been looking into buying a laptop with ubuntu already 
installed. I have a friend in the USA that has just bought what he says 
is a really good Dell laptop with ubuntu in it for just over $400. I 
have been looking at the UK Dell site to fimd that the very basic Ubuntu 
Installed laptops by Dell, start at £300 plus Vat almost double the 
pirce in the USA.

How come there is such a huge difference in cost? I know Dell is 
separate company to Ubuntu, but surely Ubuntu must have gone to 
discussions about their software being installed on laptops in this 
country.

Being a new user, I really like Ubuntu, but I'm finding it extremely 
frustrating not being able to use it, admittedly mainly due to my lack 
of experience with it, but if I could find a laptop with it already 
installed at a cost like they are in the USA I would dump Windows 
altogether, and be able to concentrate on learning Ubuntu without having 
to get around the problems I'm finding using it in a dual boot environment.

Right now, I lost the use of my laptop in the Ubuntu boot, after trying 
to install the update from 8.04 to 8.10. I find it really frustrating 
that to get my Ubuntu back, I have to tell ubuntu not to load compiz, 
which takes up a lot of what Ubuntu is. Which means I'm missing out on a 
lot of the functions of Ubuntu.

So why, if Ubuntu is trying to get more people to use their products are 
they making it so difficult and costly for people like me who are on the 
lower incomes, to be able to use their products? Is Dell the only 
company selling laptops with Ubuntu already installed? Does anybody know 
of any other company that sells them cheaper, or would I have to get one 
from the USA. If I do have to buy from the USA, will it work in the UK?

Its really frustrating.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 8.10

[John]

Hi Rob, I contacted VIA, who told me they have written an upgrade to
their via cards that allows compiz to function. Unfortunately, I did
try to install it, but as I'm only a beginner I couldnt get it to work
but they assured me that it does work. I dont know of any body else who
has been found this information and installed the new drivers for me to
know if it does work. 

Do you know anything about this?

John

Rob Beard wrote:

  John wrote:
  
  
Its a via, I know via have an upgrade to their cards, but I couldnt get 
it to work, so wasnt able to upgrade. :(

  
  

Sounds like what I experienced.  I found that using the 'Safe' Video 
Mode (vesa driver) worked okay albeit slow.

I found this on the Ubuntu forums, not sure if it'll help at all.  It 
seems to suggest that Compiz is causing some issues?

http://wiki.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=967178

I haven't personally tried it as I've been too tied up and I don't have 
any VIA chipset machines at home.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Single Ubuntu instance both bootable AND virtual?

[Rob Beard]

Andrew Oakley wrote:
> I have a new PC which has Windows XP. I am already very familiar with
> repartitioning/resizing and dual-booting so that I can have both XP and
> Ubuntu on the same machine.
>  


Hmm, although I've not tried booting an OS like this, in VMWare you can 
actually mount real drives and partitions as virtual discs.  I've 
managed to do it in VMWare Server on Ubuntu, I managed to mount one of 
my hard disks as a drive and read it in a virtual copy of Windows.

IIRC it is also possible to do it with VMWare on Windows, you just need 
to add the drive (it creates a small dummy virtual hard disk file). 
Then technically it should be just a case of booting it up.  Not sure 
how Ubuntu would cope running under virtual hardware and real hardware. 
  Presumably it would auto detect hardware anyway on bootup.

Best bet I can suggest is to install something like VMWare Server, or 
alternatively VMWare Player and try it (although with VMWare Player 
you'll have to manually create configuration files for the virtual machine).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Acer Aspire

[Alan Pope]

2008/11/5 Simos Xenitellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Many people make the mistake to install the stock Ubuntu on the EEE.
> The specialised version that Yishay mentions below is what people
> should be installing instead.
> Advanced users would stick to the stock Ubuntu on the EEE.
>

I have stock Ubuntu 8.10 on my EEE 900 and it works very nicely, much
better than previous releases.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Single Ubuntu instance both bootable AND virtual?

[Samuel Toogood]

Andrew Oakley wrote:
> I have a new PC which has Windows XP. I am already very familiar with
> repartitioning/resizing and dual-booting so that I can have both XP and
> Ubuntu on the same machine.
>  
> Is it possible to have the same one single Ubuntu partition bootable as
> BOTH:
> * Dual boot
> AND
> * A virtual machine within Windows XP? (using the same Ubuntu partition)
>  
> If so, how? Pointers to howtos much appreciated; my google attemps thus
> far reveal only how to do the opposite (dual boot plus same XP
> virtualised within Ubuntu; I want Ubuntu virtualised inside XP)
>  
> I realise this will complicate hardware drivers under Ubuntu, so for the
> first stage I'm not trying to use any fancy 3D graphics nor worry about
> network connectivity.
>  
> Note that this is my third machine, mainly used only for gaming. I only
> boot Ubuntu on my other machines.
>  
It appears from the manual that virtualbox can do this (as an
experimental feature). I've no idea how well it works in practice though.

HTH,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Acer Aspire

[Simos Xenitellis]

Many people make the mistake to install the stock Ubuntu on the EEE.
The specialised version that Yishay mentions below is what people
should be installing instead.
Advanced users would stick to the stock Ubuntu on the EEE.

Simos

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Yishay Mor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an eeePC running http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/
> I imagine that should work for the Aspire as well.
> I would do the standard procedure:
> - burn a USB stick image
> - boot live from USB
> - if all goes well, install
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>
>
> 2008/11/5 keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Yesterday I splashed out on a new toy - the Acer Aspire One netbook, the
>> Linpus Lite version with 1GB ram, and a 120GB Hard Drive.  It's a very nice
>> little machine and ideal for a first time user, but the OS is rather
>> limited.
>>
>> I've checked the Howto install Ubuntu on it at
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne and at face value it looks
>> pretty daunting.  If it all goes pear shaped
>> it seems that I've got no means of recovering the original OS because of
>> the lack
>> of CD drive on the machine.
>>
>> So before I commit myself, can any
>> of our readers who may have already accomplished the feat tell me how
>> successful/useable the installation has proved to be.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Keith.
>> ---
>> Keith Bowerman,
>> Prestwood, south Staffs, England.
>> (Still using Ubuntu 8.04 on a Linux only machine.)
>>
>>
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[ubuntu-uk] Conversion from .oma to mp3

[Javad Ayaz]

Does anyone know if any of the open source programs like winff can decode
from Sony's .oma format.

To those who dont know Sony's sonicstage wraps mp3 files in .oma and then
puts it on the player.

I dont have access to a windows pc anymore so i would ideally like to carry
on using something opensource but not lose all my music as well.

I hope this makes sense

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Acer Aspire

[Yishay Mor]

I have an eeePC running http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/
I imagine that should work for the Aspire as well.
I would do the standard procedure:
- burn a USB stick image
- boot live from USB
- if all goes well, install
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2008/11/5 keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Yesterday I splashed out on a new toy - the Acer Aspire One netbook, the
> Linpus Lite version with 1GB ram, and a 120GB Hard Drive.  It's a very nice
> little machine and ideal for a first time user, but the OS is rather
> limited.
>
> I've checked the Howto install Ubuntu on it at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne and at face value it looks
> pretty daunting.  If it all goes pear shaped
> it seems that I've got no means of recovering the original OS because of
> the lack
> of CD drive on the machine.
>
> So before I commit myself, can any
> of our readers who may have already accomplished the feat tell me how
> successful/useable the installation has proved to be.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Keith.
> ---
> Keith Bowerman,
> Prestwood, south Staffs, England.
> (Still using Ubuntu 8.04 on a Linux only machine.)
>
>
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[ubuntu-uk] Single Ubuntu instance both bootable AND virtual?

[Andrew Oakley]

I have a new PC which has Windows XP. I am already very familiar with
repartitioning/resizing and dual-booting so that I can have both XP and
Ubuntu on the same machine.
 
Is it possible to have the same one single Ubuntu partition bootable as
BOTH:
* Dual boot
AND
* A virtual machine within Windows XP? (using the same Ubuntu partition)
 
If so, how? Pointers to howtos much appreciated; my google attemps thus
far reveal only how to do the opposite (dual boot plus same XP
virtualised within Ubuntu; I want Ubuntu virtualised inside XP)
 
I realise this will complicate hardware drivers under Ubuntu, so for the
first stage I'm not trying to use any fancy 3D graphics nor worry about
network connectivity.
 
Note that this is my third machine, mainly used only for gaming. I only
boot Ubuntu on my other machines.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Acer Aspire

[Colin McCarthy]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm sure though someone else has actually tried it.  I'm surprised
> though that they didn't bundle in a restore CD/DVD, I mean an external
> USB DVD writer is only about £30 nowadays.

I don't have an Acer, but I have an Asus eeePC and they provided a DVD with
a recovery installation on it.   It also contains an application that puts
that recovery installation onto a USB key.  However you need Windows to run
that program!
I would be (not) surprised (as Acer are rubbish) if they did not provide a
similiar USB recovery installation device program too.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Acer Aspire

[Rob Beard]

keith wrote:
> Yesterday I splashed out on a new toy - the Acer Aspire One netbook, the 
> Linpus Lite version with 1GB ram, and a 120GB Hard Drive.  It's a very nice 
> little machine and ideal for a first time user, but the OS is rather limited.
> 
> I've checked the Howto install Ubuntu on it at 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne and at face value it looks pretty 
> daunting.  If it all goes pear shaped
> it seems that I've got no means of recovering the original OS because of the 
> lack
> of CD drive on the machine.
> 
> So before I commit myself, can any
> of our readers who may have already accomplished the feat tell me how
> successful/useable the installation has proved to be.
> 

I haven't actually got one of these machines yet (it's on my Christmas 
list), but I would suggest maybe the following:

Create a USB pen drive of Ubuntu or alternatively SystemRescueCD 
(http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page)

Create a disk image of the hard drive (assuming you haven't put much or 
anything on the machine yet you'd probably find the image would be small 
enough to stick on a large USB stick or SD card).

You can find details here: http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtoimage.html

This way if things go belly up you should be able to restore the hard 
disk image.

I've done this on a Windows based laptop with success, although I 
haven't tried it on a Linux machine, although I have successfully 
managed to create disk images of Linux machines.

I'm sure though someone else has actually tried it.  I'm surprised 
though that they didn't bundle in a restore CD/DVD, I mean an external 
USB DVD writer is only about £30 nowadays.

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[ubuntu-uk] Acer Aspire

[keith]

Yesterday I splashed out on a new toy - the Acer Aspire One netbook, the Linpus 
Lite version with 1GB ram, and a 120GB Hard Drive.  It's a very nice little 
machine and ideal for a first time user, but the OS is rather limited.

I've checked the Howto install Ubuntu on it at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne and at face value it looks pretty 
daunting.  If it all goes pear shaped
it seems that I've got no means of recovering the original OS because of the 
lack
of CD drive on the machine.

So before I commit myself, can any
of our readers who may have already accomplished the feat tell me how
successful/useable the installation has proved to be.

Many thanks,

Keith.
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Prestwood, south Staffs, England.
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