Re: [ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
Andy Smith wrote: > [...] > Will this package need to be installed to maintain support on hardy after > 2011? Hello, Andy. Oops! I install "ubuntu-desktop" + "linux-server", not "ubuntu-server": There was discussion about an "ubuntu-server" metapackage, but it never made it into the repositories as an official package... >> The only real difference is the kernel you run and if you want LAMP. >> >> There is a list of the 'server' packages that will still be supported: >> >>http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/dapper/supported.txt > > What about for hardy? How is the above list generated? No idea: I'm still running 6.06 LTS on some of our servers, and I was worried about the recent EOL statement for Dapper on the desktop. I now just install the desktop edition from CDROM, then add what I need: aptitude install linux-server openssh-server aptitude install mysql-server apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 aptitude install nfs-kernel-server Boot the server kernel, and I've got a LAMP + NFS server + GUI. Bye, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, University of Aberdeen, Rowett Institute of Nutrition and Health, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK tel +44(0)1224 712751, fax +44(0)1224 716687, http://www.rowett.ac.uk mailto:a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk, http://bioinformatics.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
Hello, On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 05:09:15PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > On a related note, can someone tell me officially what defines an > install of Ubuntu Server? It was pointed out that this was perhaps best asked on the ubuntu-server list, so I have: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2009-November/003464.html Cheers, Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
2009/11/8 Andy Smith : > Hi Rob, > > On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 05:42:16PM +, Rob Beard wrote: >> Andy Smith wrote: >> > On a related note, can someone tell me officially what defines an >> > install of Ubuntu Server? I ask because this page: >> > >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases >> > >> > says that 8.04 LTS has an EOL date in 2011 for desktop or 2013 for >> > server. >> > >> > Assuming I installed it from debootstrap or similar pointing at >> > hardy repositories, does that make it a server? > > [...] > >> I'm guessing that things like Firefox, Xorg and other such things that >> you generally wouldn't have on a server would be supported until 2011, >> whereas I guess things like bind, openssh-server, samba, mysql and >> things that you would generally find on a server would be supported >> until 2013. > > Sounds logical, but a way to find out what is and isn't supported > would be nice... I presume that everything on the Server CD image is supported. Colin > > Cheers, > Andy > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEAREDAAYFAkr3BB4ACgkQIJm2TL8VSQs90QCfbbQs3E5QZovUZI9+ZBsdcdJO > TdYAn11cYUhAPH5JX7x3igU3U98BhbLj > =QzUg > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
Hi Rob, On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 05:42:16PM +, Rob Beard wrote: > Andy Smith wrote: > > On a related note, can someone tell me officially what defines an > > install of Ubuntu Server? I ask because this page: > > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases > > > > says that 8.04 LTS has an EOL date in 2011 for desktop or 2013 for > > server. > > > > Assuming I installed it from debootstrap or similar pointing at > > hardy repositories, does that make it a server? [...] > I'm guessing that things like Firefox, Xorg and other such things that > you generally wouldn't have on a server would be supported until 2011, > whereas I guess things like bind, openssh-server, samba, mysql and > things that you would generally find on a server would be supported > until 2013. Sounds logical, but a way to find out what is and isn't supported would be nice... Cheers, Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
Hi Tony, On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 05:36:17PM +, Tony Travis wrote: > Andy Smith wrote: > > [...] > > On a related note, can someone tell me officially what defines an > > install of Ubuntu Server? I ask because this page: > > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases > > > > says that 8.04 LTS has an EOL date in 2011 for desktop or 2013 for > > server. [...] > I run Ubuntu 'server' by installing from the 'desktop' CD, followed by: > >aptitude install ubuntu-server Will this package need to be installed to maintain support on hardy after 2011? > The only real difference is the kernel you run and if you want LAMP. > > There is a list of the 'server' packages that will still be supported: > >http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/dapper/supported.txt What about for hardy? How is the above list generated? Cheers, Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 01:39:31PM +, Dave Walker wrote: > >> This was my opinion, until recently when I was advised that non-LTS >> Ubuntu Server should be considered a "technology preview", for the next >> LTS release. This was quite a surprise to myself. >> > > On a related note, can someone tell me officially what defines an > install of Ubuntu Server? I ask because this page: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases > > says that 8.04 LTS has an EOL date in 2011 for desktop or 2013 for > server. > > Assuming I installed it from debootstrap or similar pointing at > hardy repositories, does that make it a server? > > Cheers, > Andy > I'm guessing that things like Firefox, Xorg and other such things that you generally wouldn't have on a server would be supported until 2011, whereas I guess things like bind, openssh-server, samba, mysql and things that you would generally find on a server would be supported until 2013. Could be wrong though. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:09:15 -, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 01:39:31PM +, Dave Walker wrote: >> This was my opinion, until recently when I was advised that non-LTS >> Ubuntu Server should be considered a "technology preview", for the next >> LTS release. This was quite a surprise to myself. > > On a related note, can someone tell me officially what defines an > install of Ubuntu Server? I ask because this page: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases > > says that 8.04 LTS has an EOL date in 2011 for desktop or 2013 for > server. > > Assuming I installed it from debootstrap or similar pointing at > hardy repositories, does that make it a server? > > Cheers, > Andy -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
Andy Smith wrote: > [...] > On a related note, can someone tell me officially what defines an > install of Ubuntu Server? I ask because this page: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases > > says that 8.04 LTS has an EOL date in 2011 for desktop or 2013 for > server. > > Assuming I installed it from debootstrap or similar pointing at > hardy repositories, does that make it a server? Hello, Andy. I run Ubuntu 'server' by installing from the 'desktop' CD, followed by: aptitude install ubuntu-server The only real difference is the kernel you run and if you want LAMP. There is a list of the 'server' packages that will still be supported: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/dapper/supported.txt Bye, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, University of Aberdeen, Rowett Institute of Nutrition and Health, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK tel +44(0)1224 712751, fax +44(0)1224 716687, http://www.rowett.ac.uk mailto:a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk, http://bioinformatics.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] What makes a Server install? (Was Re: Not a good press)
Hello, On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 01:39:31PM +, Dave Walker wrote: > This was my opinion, until recently when I was advised that non-LTS > Ubuntu Server should be considered a "technology preview", for the next > LTS release. This was quite a surprise to myself. On a related note, can someone tell me officially what defines an install of Ubuntu Server? I ask because this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases says that 8.04 LTS has an EOL date in 2011 for desktop or 2013 for server. Assuming I installed it from debootstrap or similar pointing at hardy repositories, does that make it a server? Cheers, Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OOo Mouse
2009/11/8 Jonathon Fernyhough : > 2009/11/8 mac : >> Will this be supported in Lynx? >> >> http://openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html >> >> I do hope so, as I'm hoping to get one for each hand to double the >> functionality. >> >> mac >> > > Don't show this thing to Steve Jobs. It may well finish him off. > > Seriously, though, I thought this was what keyboard shortcuts were > for? Surely if I'm typing I don't want to move my hand to the mouse to > press a button just to make some text bold? > > Though having said that I love the idea of a built-in joystick. > Scrolling, for example, would be much easier with that, whether in a > document, webpage or in an RTS. IBM used to make a mouse with a joystick instead of a scroll-wheel. Based on the same technology as their track-points pointers on thinkpads it sounded like a great idea... however I have used them and prefer a scroll wheel... Anton -- Anton Piatek email: an...@piatek.co.uk blog/photos:http://www.strangeparty.com pgp: [74B1FA37] (http://www.strangeparty.com/anton.gpg) fingerprint: 7401 96D3 E037 2F8F 5965 A358 4046 71FD 74B1 FA37 No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OOo Mouse
2009/11/8 mac : > Will this be supported in Lynx? > > http://openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html > > I do hope so, as I'm hoping to get one for each hand to double the > functionality. > > mac > Don't show this thing to Steve Jobs. It may well finish him off. Seriously, though, I thought this was what keyboard shortcuts were for? Surely if I'm typing I don't want to move my hand to the mouse to press a button just to make some text bold? Though having said that I love the idea of a built-in joystick. Scrolling, for example, would be much easier with that, whether in a document, webpage or in an RTS. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Audio Streams
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM, David Restall - System Administrator wrote: > Hi, > > Matt Jones wrote :- > >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM, David Restall - System Administrator >> wrote: >> > >> > Also can somebody tell me why the BBC are so keen on 'Podcasts' which is >> > as proprietary as they come but not so keen on just putting good old >> > MP3's on the site to download ? >> > >> >> They do put MP3's for direct download. > > Where ? I can't find them. I'm interested in stuff on Radio 7 and Radio 4. > The best I can find on R4 is their 'Podcasts' page and they don't have > all the programmes available, I can't find anything on R7. > > Rgds, > > > > D > ubuntu/uk-2009-11-08.tx ububtu-uk > ++ > | Dave Restall, Computer Nerd, Cyclist, Radio Amateur G4FCU, Bodger | > | Mob +44 (0) 7973 831245 Skype: dave.restall Radio: G4FCU | > | email : d...@restall.net Web : Not Ready Yet :-( | > ++ > | BOFH excuse #130: | > | | > | new management | > ++ > > >> >> M. >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > If you go to the podcast page, eg http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/fricomedy , the MP3 download link is the green box about halfway down on the lefthand side. M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Audio Streams
Hi, Philip Stubbs wrote :- > 2009/11/7 David Restall - System Administrator : > > I'm not that interested in TV streams (there's not much on TV that > > interests me so I rarely watch it). =A0Where is the get_iplayer script ? > > http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer Many thanks for that - it does what I was doing but much more elegantly :-) Rgds, D ubuntu/uk-2009-11-08.2.tx ubuntu-uk ++ | Dave Restall, Computer Nerd, Cyclist, Radio Amateur G4FCU, Bodger | | Mob +44 (0) 7973 831245 Skype: dave.restall Radio: G4FCU | | email : d...@restall.net Web : Not Ready Yet :-( | ++ | "Kill the Wabbit, Kill the Wabbit, Kill the Wabbit!" | | -- Looney Tunes, "What's Opera Doc?" (1957, Chuck Jones) | ++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Audio Streams
Hi, Matt Jones wrote :- > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM, David Restall - System Administrator > wrote: > > > > Also can somebody tell me why the BBC are so keen on 'Podcasts' which is > > as proprietary as they come but not so keen on just putting good old > > MP3's on the site to download ? > > > > They do put MP3's for direct download. Where ? I can't find them. I'm interested in stuff on Radio 7 and Radio 4. The best I can find on R4 is their 'Podcasts' page and they don't have all the programmes available, I can't find anything on R7. Rgds, D ubuntu/uk-2009-11-08.txububtu-uk ++ | Dave Restall, Computer Nerd, Cyclist, Radio Amateur G4FCU, Bodger | | Mob +44 (0) 7973 831245 Skype: dave.restall Radio: G4FCU | | email : d...@restall.net Web : Not Ready Yet :-( | ++ | BOFH excuse #130: | || | new management | ++ > > M. > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
