[ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread Cornelius Mostert
Hi all
I have my Joggler up and running for some time now, but looks like it freeze
at lease once a day and sometimes does not reboot very well (when the O2
logo comes up before Ubuntu then this O2 logo look a bit fuzzy and this is
usually a sign it will not go further with the boot.) However this is not my
concern at this stage,

WHAT I am looking for this time is to know how to setup a File server on it,

1. I have a powered external USB drive attached
2. I have tried making use of GSamba that comes installed on the Joggler
image
3. Installed SWAT but could not point my Firefox to it, did not startup
4. Tried the Samba config tool also.
5. I tried to hit (from an ubuntu PC) the IP address of the joggler and can
ping it but connecting to a Windows Share returned smb://. could not
be found/connect

Any ideads

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread Kenny Coyle
Hi Cornelius!

To confirm, do you know if smbd is running or not on your joggler?

You can test this by using the commands:

sudo /etc/init.d/smbd stop
sudo /etc/init.d/smbd start

The first one will fail if you don't have it running in the first place.

If the second command fails, there will likely be an issue with you
samba configuration...

Best,

K.

On 19 August 2010 09:06, Cornelius Mostert
corneliusmost...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi all
 I have my Joggler up and running for some time now, but looks like it freeze
 at lease once a day and sometimes does not reboot very well (when the O2
 logo comes up before Ubuntu then this O2 logo look a bit fuzzy and this is
 usually a sign it will not go further with the boot.) However this is not my
 concern at this stage,

 WHAT I am looking for this time is to know how to setup a File server on it,
 1. I have a powered external USB drive attached
 2. I have tried making use of GSamba that comes installed on the Joggler
 image
 3. Installed SWAT but could not point my Firefox to it, did not startup
 4. Tried the Samba config tool also.
 5. I tried to hit (from an ubuntu PC) the IP address of the joggler and can
 ping it but connecting to a Windows Share returned smb://. could not
 be found/connect

 Any ideads

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[ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread Cornelius Mostert
Hi

The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution. They
have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
wondering what solutions are there for:

   1. a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will
   be web based.
   2. it would be best if it could track the change/bug detail right down to
   the file version that has been changed ( the current solution keeps Change
   objects and file objects and connect the 2 on a version level so you could
   go back and get al the files (and correct version of the file) done for a
   change OR look at a file version and see what change objects link to it)

I know about:

   - MS Source Safe (not change management as such but a source vault) - Non
   web
   - Rational Rose /Clear Case (worked on it 10 years back) - good but
   expensive I think, not sure about the web side
   - AllChange - good all rounder but struggle a bit on the global front, a
   wee bit to slow for the US / Canada (but then what will be fast enough for
   them???) - Does have a web interface
   - Do not know enough about subversion to say anything

Yes we are a MS win house but as it will be web based it does not matter so
much.

thanx

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread Anton Piatek
I would look at rational team concert over clear case/quest. I use it at
work and love it.

On 19 Aug 2010 14:09, Cornelius Mostert corneliusmost...@googlemail.com
wrote:
 Hi

 The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution. They
 have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
 wondering what solutions are there for:

 1. a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will
 be web based.
 2. it would be best if it could track the change/bug detail right down to
 the file version that has been changed ( the current solution keeps Change
 objects and file objects and connect the 2 on a version level so you could
 go back and get al the files (and correct version of the file) done for a
 change OR look at a file version and see what change objects link to it)

 I know about:

 - MS Source Safe (not change management as such but a source vault) - Non
 web
 - Rational Rose /Clear Case (worked on it 10 years back) - good but
 expensive I think, not sure about the web side
 - AllChange - good all rounder but struggle a bit on the global front, a
 wee bit to slow for the US / Canada (but then what will be fast enough for
 them???) - Does have a web interface
 - Do not know enough about subversion to say anything

 Yes we are a MS win house but as it will be web based it does not matter
so
 much.

 thanx

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread Jon Spriggs
On 19 August 2010 14:09, Cornelius Mostert
corneliusmost...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi

 The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution. They
 have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
 wondering what solutions are there for:

 a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will be web
 based.

Open source solutions include Subversion and Git. I've used Svn over
HTTP and it's pretty easy. I've never used Git over HTTP, but the
howto I found seems pretty straightforward. I don't know whether you
can use Bazaar over HTTP

Svn: http://www.howtoforge.com/apache_subversion_repository (although
the first part assumes you'll have to compile Subversion and apache...
probably just skip to the second page!)
Git: 
http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/howto/setup-git-server-over-http.txt

If you're able to allow SSH to your server, then you can use SVN, Git,
Bazaar and many many more.

 it would be best if it could track the change/bug detail right down to the
 file version that has been changed ( the current solution keeps Change
 objects and file objects and connect the 2 on a version level so you could
 go back and get al the files (and correct version of the file) done for a
 change OR look at a file version and see what change objects link to it)

In SVN, Git and Bazaar, you can see who is to blame (and I believe,
to be praised) for each line of code. With SVN over HTTP it's pretty
easy to enforce user details, by making write access user limited, and
those user details are passed through into the SVN process. As I said,
I've not used Git over HTTP, so I don't know whether it takes the
author details from the Git process on the local machine, or if it's
from the HTTP authentication.

SVN, Git and Bazaar all have windows explorer shell extensions
(tortoiseSVN, tortoiseGit and tortoiseBzr I think). How well these
work, I'm afraid I can only comment on tortoiseSVN which was nearly so
simple my dad could use it (but that was because he had two machines
and he wasn't committing his changes when he was finishing on each
machine.)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread Anton Piatek
The big difference between things like rational team concert (rtc) and
svn,git,bzr,etc is that rtc is a full product feature and bug tracking tool,
with timeline planning and code control, based around agile methodologies.
If you just want code control then rtc is overkill for this task.

Anton

On 19 Aug 2010 14:55, Jon Spriggs j...@spriggs.org.uk wrote:
 On 19 August 2010 14:09, Cornelius Mostert
 corneliusmost...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi

 The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution.
They
 have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
 wondering what solutions are there for:

 a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will be
web
 based.

 Open source solutions include Subversion and Git. I've used Svn over
 HTTP and it's pretty easy. I've never used Git over HTTP, but the
 howto I found seems pretty straightforward. I don't know whether you
 can use Bazaar over HTTP

 Svn: http://www.howtoforge.com/apache_subversion_repository (although
 the first part assumes you'll have to compile Subversion and apache...
 probably just skip to the second page!)
 Git:
http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/howto/setup-git-server-over-http.txt

 If you're able to allow SSH to your server, then you can use SVN, Git,
 Bazaar and many many more.

 it would be best if it could track the change/bug detail right down to
the
 file version that has been changed ( the current solution keeps Change
 objects and file objects and connect the 2 on a version level so you
could
 go back and get al the files (and correct version of the file) done for a
 change OR look at a file version and see what change objects link to it)

 In SVN, Git and Bazaar, you can see who is to blame (and I believe,
 to be praised) for each line of code. With SVN over HTTP it's pretty
 easy to enforce user details, by making write access user limited, and
 those user details are passed through into the SVN process. As I said,
 I've not used Git over HTTP, so I don't know whether it takes the
 author details from the Git process on the local machine, or if it's
 from the HTTP authentication.

 SVN, Git and Bazaar all have windows explorer shell extensions
 (tortoiseSVN, tortoiseGit and tortoiseBzr I think). How well these
 work, I'm afraid I can only comment on tortoiseSVN which was nearly so
 simple my dad could use it (but that was because he had two machines
 and he wasn't committing his changes when he was finishing on each
 machine.)

 All the best,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 19/08/10 14:55, Jon Spriggs wrote:
 On 19 August 2010 14:09, Cornelius Mostert
 corneliusmost...@googlemail.com  wrote:
 Hi

 The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution. They
 have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
 wondering what solutions are there for:

 a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will be web
 based.

TRAC is quite useful for SVN based repos and has a built in wiki. That 
can be set up anywhere.

Redmine is probably a bit more powerful than trac and worth a look.

Also, I'm amazed no-one has mentioned Launchpad. It's now opensource so 
you can build and run your own Launchpad: https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting

HTH

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread Jon Spriggs
On 19 August 2010 15:02, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 19/08/10 14:55, Jon Spriggs wrote:
 On 19 August 2010 14:09, Cornelius Mostert
 corneliusmost...@googlemail.com  wrote:
 Hi

 The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution. They
 have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
 wondering what solutions are there for:

 a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will be web
 based.

 TRAC is quite useful for SVN based repos and has a built in wiki. That
 can be set up anywhere.

That's a very good point. TRAC will also handle Git, Bzr and Mercurial.

 Redmine is probably a bit more powerful than trac and worth a look.

I've never used it.

 Also, I'm amazed no-one has mentioned Launchpad. It's now opensource so
 you can build and run your own Launchpad: https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting

Personally, I think Launchpad is probably overkill for anywhere under
200 contributors. Trac is probably fine up to that point.

I did a talk at OggCamp about resources for FLOSS developers. I know
the company you work for will therefore probably not be that
interested in many of the hosted options available to FLOSS
developers, but there are some interesting bubbles around GitHub,
Trac, and Savanne that might be of use.

http://www.slideshare.net/JonTheNiceGuy/resources-for-floss-projects

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread Anton Piatek
I looked at launchpad for work. It needs a lot of rewriting to be anything
than launchpad.net
It mat be opensource but is not a product ready to deploy.

I have also used trac (with a bzr plunging) and really liked it

Anton

On 19 Aug 2010 15:03, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 19/08/10 14:55, Jon Spriggs wrote:
 On 19 August 2010 14:09, Cornelius Mostert
 corneliusmost...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi

 The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution.
They
 have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
 wondering what solutions are there for:

 a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will be
web
 based.

 TRAC is quite useful for SVN based repos and has a built in wiki. That
 can be set up anywhere.

 Redmine is probably a bit more powerful than trac and worth a look.

 Also, I'm amazed no-one has mentioned Launchpad. It's now opensource so
 you can build and run your own Launchpad:
https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting

 HTH

 Al


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Scanners OCR

2010-08-19 Thread Simon Wears
Thanks for all the replies!

Looks like I'll ignore the OCR idea then - that was just a 'it would be good
if' idea.

John, your idea of typing them up directly to my computer would be a bit
tricky, since I don't own a laptop! Plus, I enjoy actually handwriting my
notes since my course does a lot on computers.

My other method was going to be to type them up in the evenings, the scanner
method was because I'm lazy! Perhaps I'll try typing them up myself for the
first few weeks, see how it goes. If it turns out to be a pain digitising
graphs and things, I'll find a scanner.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-19 Thread Colin Law
On 18 August 2010 23:19, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote:
 On 18 August 2010 18:11, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I did not say that it was necessarily a generally accepted definition,
 merely that by that definition GIMP is recursive and therefore my
 original statement that 'it depends on the definition' is true.
 Having said that I believe I have seen that definition used somewhere
 on the web so it must be ok.  I will just have a quick google ...  Ah
 yes, have a look at
 http://old.nabble.com/11.04-Natty-Narwhal-td29463807i20.html#a29470562

 Except that Wikipedia says no such thing, so you are deluding yourself
 completely...

I never said it did, that was someone else, he/she was deluding him/her self.


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym

 So, please, before we all lose the will to live instead of INVENTING
 definitions to back up your assertion, try sending some LINKS to ANY
 definition that suggests GIMP is recursive, for it is not and will
 never be so... unless you prove otherwise.

Note that I never asserted that GIMP is a recursive algorithm, and
agree with you that anyone who believes that is incorrect.  I merely
pointed out that by an alternative definition of recursive acronym it
could be considered so and provided a vaguely believable definition to
that end.  An entirely pointless thing to do I know, merely intended
as a way to keep the brain cells active.  The whole point of a
recursive acronym is after all that it is a light hearted play on
words and letters.  I was merely pressing on along that path.  I don't
think that the concept of Recursive Acronyms was ever supposed to be
taken seriously.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread Colin Law
On 19 August 2010 09:06, Cornelius Mostert
corneliusmost...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi all
 I have my Joggler up and running for some time now, but looks like it freeze
 at lease once a day and sometimes does not reboot very well (when the O2
 logo comes up before Ubuntu then this O2 logo look a bit fuzzy and this is
 usually a sign it will not go further with the boot.) However this is not my
 concern at this stage,

 WHAT I am looking for this time is to know how to setup a File server on it,
 1. I have a powered external USB drive attached
 2. I have tried making use of GSamba that comes installed on the Joggler
 image
 3. Installed SWAT but could not point my Firefox to it, did not startup
 4. Tried the Samba config tool also.
 5. I tried to hit (from an ubuntu PC) the IP address of the joggler and can
 ping it but connecting to a Windows Share returned smb://. could not
 be found/connect

It is not clear to me what software you are running on the Joggler.
Are you running the internal s/w (as is suggested by point 2 above) or
booting off Ubuntu on your USB stick?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread John Stevenson
On 19 August 2010 14:09, Cornelius Mostert
corneliusmost...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi

 The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution. They
 have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
 wondering what solutions are there for:

1. a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will
be web based.
2. it would be best if it could track the change/bug detail right down
to the file version that has been changed ( the current solution keeps
Change objects and file objects and connect the 2 on a version level so you
could go back and get al the files (and correct version of the file) done
for a change OR look at a file version and see what change objects link to
it)

 I know about:

- MS Source Safe (not change management as such but a source vault) -
Non web
- Rational Rose /Clear Case (worked on it 10 years back) - good but
expensive I think, not sure about the web side
- AllChange - good all rounder but struggle a bit on the global front,
a wee bit to slow for the US / Canada (but then what will be fast enough 
 for
them???) - Does have a web interface
- Do not know enough about subversion to say anything

 Yes we are a MS win house but as it will be web based it does not matter so
 much.

 thanx

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 Hello Comelius

Open source solution
A combination of a version control system [Subversion | Git | Mercurial] and
a bug tracking system [Jira http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ |
Trac] - a large number of open source projects use Jira and many companies I
have worked with really like it. - http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/

Online solution (free/commercial)
Assembla.com - an online developer service with subversion and git
repositories, wiki, ticket tracking system and a whole host of agile
sounding stuff.  You can get free public service or paid for closed service
- I currently use this for training projects and coding dojos

Software as a service
Service-now.com - a very flexible service management tool that can be easily
configured and included incident, change and release management
functionality - you would need to add a version control system to this
though.

Commercial / Microsoft solution
Microsoft Team Foundation Server - this is not great for very large project
and is not as nice as Team City.
Team City - http://www.jetbrains.com/teamcity/ -  (free for 20 users) - very
easy to set up and use, not as expensive as Microsoft I believe.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread John Stevenson
On 19 August 2010 09:06, Cornelius Mostert
corneliusmost...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi all
 I have my Joggler up and running for some time now, but looks like it
 freeze at lease once a day and sometimes does not reboot very well (when the
 O2 logo comes up before Ubuntu then this O2 logo look a bit fuzzy and this
 is usually a sign it will not go further with the boot.) However this is not
 my concern at this stage,

 WHAT I am looking for this time is to know how to setup a File server on
 it,
 1. I have a powered external USB drive attached
 2. I have tried making use of GSamba that comes installed on the Joggler
 image
 3. Installed SWAT but could not point my Firefox to it, did not startup
 4. Tried the Samba config tool also.
 5. I tried to hit (from an ubuntu PC) the IP address of the joggler and can
 ping it but connecting to a Windows Share returned smb://. could not
 be found/connect

 Any ideads

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Hello Comelius,
I would not have thought that a joggler was reliable enough for a file
server, unless you are doing it just for the challenge.  My joggler often
needs a reboot or just crashes

All I can add is that if you want a quiet file server, you could get an Acer
Revo 3610 - still some available at less than £200 at ebuyer:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/200537

I would be interested to hear if someone does manage to get a stable joggler
that is good enough for a file server though... and of course how you did it
:-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 19/08/10 16:03, John Stevenson wrote:
 I would be interested to hear if someone does manage to get a stable
 joggler that is good enough for a file server though... and of course
 how you did it :-)

On the joggler wiki (http://www.jogglerwiki.info but seems to be down at 
the mo), there was a discussion about replacing the *plastic* heat-sink 
with something a bit more substantial using a dremel and a metal 
heat-sink from Farnell IIRC.

I think this may well be the main cause of reliability issues.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread Colin Law
On 19 August 2010 16:03, John Stevenson j...@jr0cket.com wrote:
 [...]
 Hello Comelius,
 I would not have thought that a joggler was reliable enough for a file
 server, unless you are doing it just for the challenge.  My joggler often
 needs a reboot or just crashes

I have mine running Disca's Ubuntu image collecting data from my
weather station.  I have had it running for several weeks and has not
crashed yet as far as I can remember.  It is not doing a lot however
so the temperature problems that some have seen have not been an issue
for me.

I gather that some have had incompatibility problems with USB sticks.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread Anton Piatek
The heatsink is the metal support stand (there are some good disassembly
videos on youtube)
A juggle wouldn't be my first choice for a server, but would make a good
front end
Anton

On 19 Aug 2010 16:14, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 19/08/10 16:03, John Stevenson wrote:
 I would be interested to hear if someone does manage to get a stable
 joggler that is good enough for a file server though... and of course
 how you did it :-)

 On the joggler wiki (http://www.jogglerwiki.info but seems to be down at
 the mo), there was a discussion about replacing the *plastic* heat-sink
 with something a bit more substantial using a dremel and a metal
 heat-sink from Farnell IIRC.

 I think this may well be the main cause of reliability issues.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code management systems

2010-08-19 Thread Stephen Garton
On 19 August 2010 14:09, Cornelius Mostert
corneliusmost...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi

 The company I work for has outgrown their Change Management Solution. They
 have developers in US, Canada, India and maybe soon in China and I was
 wondering what solutions are there for:

1. a global development market, it needs to be fast and I guess it will
be web based.
2. it would be best if it could track the change/bug detail right down
to the file version that has been changed ( the current solution keeps
Change objects and file objects and connect the 2 on a version level so you
could go back and get al the files (and correct version of the file) done
for a change OR look at a file version and see what change objects link to
it)

 snip

Hi Cornelius,

Not sure how much is relevant to your situation, but here is how we do it:

We use git over ssh, managed on a central server using gitosis (
http://eagain.net/gitweb/?p=gitosis.git but available in the ubuntu
repositories). Gitosis also makes user management for small teams easy.

We use redmine (http://www.redmine.org/) for our issue tracking system which
ties in with git, so that we can use things like refs #1234 to link a git
commit to an issue (or even fixes #1234 to close it). It also has a
repository browser built in.

A couple of developers are using eclipse as their IDE with the Mylyn (
http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/) which also links in with both redmine and git
to enable them to manage their work queue and do all their work in one
place.

The other useful bit of software I have found useful for git is giggle (
http://live.gnome.org/giggle) which is just a GUI for browsing local git
repos.

Hope That Helps

Steve Garton
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 19/08/10 16:20, Anton Piatek wrote:
 The heatsink is the metal support stand (there are some good disassembly
 videos on youtube)

Not quite. The metal stand is part of it, but the bit that sticks onto 
the chips inside the case is - bizarrely - made of plastic: 
http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34t=403

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joggler as a File server

2010-08-19 Thread Anton Piatek
Interesting... sounds more like the thermal transfer pads used commonly
instead of good quality thermal paste like arctic silver. If you have heat
problems I can strongly recommend arctic silver from my heavy overclocking
days

Anton

On 19 Aug 2010 16:46, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 19/08/10 16:20, Anton Piatek wrote:
 The heatsink is the metal support stand (there are some good disassembly
 videos on youtube)

 Not quite. The metal stand is part of it, but the bit that sticks onto
 the chips inside the case is - bizarrely - made of plastic:
 http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34t=403

 Al

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[ubuntu-uk] UK Team meeting this evening at 9PM UK Time

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Lord (News)
Be there or be somewhere else:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda

In #ubuntu-uk-meeting on Freenode.

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team meeting this evening at 9PM UK Time

2010-08-19 Thread alan c
On 19/08/10 19:12, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
 Be there or be somewhere else:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
 In #ubuntu-uk-meeting on Freenode.

Thanks for the heads up Alan, I was just able to make it
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