[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed

2011-08-08 Thread Barry Drake
Hi there .  Last week at the local LUG meet, I was talking to a guy
who told me about Cougar Extreme: http://www.cougar-extreme.co.uk/ who
sell barebones computers.  I have been talking to Patrick at Cougar, who
tells me they are quite willing to supply pre-installed and to test with
Linux and recommend a different motherboard if there are problems.

They produce a range of pre-specified builds, but are happy to build to
your spec.  Sounds good to me.  And they are only 20 mins at most from
where I live.  Any chance someone with write access could add them to
the barebones and pre-installed web pages?

Kind regards,   Barry.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed

2011-08-08 Thread Chris Rowson
 Hi there .  Last week at the local LUG meet, I was talking to a guy
 who told me about Cougar Extreme: http://www.cougar-extreme.co.uk/ who
 sell barebones computers.  I have been talking to Patrick at Cougar, who
 tells me they are quite willing to supply pre-installed and to test with
 Linux and recommend a different motherboard if there are problems.

 They produce a range of pre-specified builds, but are happy to build to
 your spec.  Sounds good to me.  And they are only 20 mins at most from
 where I live.  Any chance someone with write access could add them to
 the barebones and pre-installed web pages?

 Kind regards,           Barry.
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That's awesome Barry.

I wonder if it would be possible for Cougar to create a page on their
website advertising Ubuntu PCs? I couldn't see one when I looked, but
if Cougar could do that, I'm sure it would help them lots more
exposure within the Ubuntu community.

Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed

2011-08-08 Thread Barry Drake
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 12:34 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
 I wonder if it would be possible for Cougar to create a page on their
 website advertising Ubuntu PCs? I couldn't see one when I looked, but
 if Cougar could do that, I'm sure it would help them lots more
 exposure within the Ubuntu community.

I think it unlikely.  The first guy I talked to was very garded and said
at first that they didn't have any dealings with Linux at all and didn't
support it.  Then when pressed, he admitted that they had sent out a
couple of machines with Ubuntu pre-installed.  Then he put me through to
Patrick who said they would be delighted to supply pre-installed.  I
guess they don't want to advertise so that folk come to them and then
need support with the OS.

They seem really on-the-ball though.

Regards,Barry.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed

2011-08-08 Thread Sean Miller
On 8 August 2011 13:38, Barry Drake bdr...@crosswire.org wrote:

 Patrick who said they would be delighted to supply pre-installed.  I
 guess they don't want to advertise so that folk come to them and then
 need support with the OS.


Not sure that qualifies them to be linked to, does it?

The whole concept of pre-installed PCs with Ubuntu is surely that those
who would not install for themselves have an avenue to go down to get the
OS?

Sounds like these folks are great, if you are happy to accept wink wink,
nudge nudge but aren't prepared to put it in writing - I think that is
worse than not doing it at all.

Not impressed, and I'm going to fire off an e-mail to them to tell them so.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed

2011-08-08 Thread Sean Miller
On 8 August 2011 13:59, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote:

 Not impressed, and I'm going to fire off an e-mail to them to tell them so.


I've asked them... their attitude sounds really bad, to be honest...
significantly worse than the PCWorld guy with the memory sticks that did
seem a breath of fresh air.

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[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [lugmaster] Richard Stallman in Birmingham - 6pm August 25th 2011

2011-08-08 Thread Alan Pope
FYI


Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Tim Williams t.m.willi...@cs.bham.ac.uk
*Date:* 8 August 2011 15:28:11 GMT+01:00
*To:* UK Lugmasters lugmas...@mailman.lug.org.uk
*Subject:* *[lugmaster] Richard Stallman in Birmingham - 6pm August 25th
2011*
*Reply-To:* UK LUG Masters' private discussion lugmas...@mailman.lug.org.uk



Hello all,

Richard Stallman will be giving a talk at the University of Birmingham this
month. This talk is officially being organised by the School of Computer
Science, however, thanks are due to Mez (Birmingham Co-Lugmaster) for
arranging the initial contact which has led to this. Thanks are also due to
Bob Hendley in Computer Science who has done the work to make this happen.

RMS will be talking on Copyright vs Community in the Age of Computer
Networks.

Abstract: Copyright developed in the age of the printing press, and was
designed to fit with the system of centralized copying imposed by the
printing press. But the copyright system does not fit well with computer
networks, and only draconian punishments can enforce it. The global
corporations that profit from copyright are lobbying for draconian
punishments, and to increase their copyright powers, while suppressing
public access to technology. But if we seriously hope to serve the only
legitimate purpose of copyright--to promote progress, for the benefit of the
public--then we must make changes in the other direction.

The talk will take place in the Haworth Lecture Theatre, University of
Birmingham. The Lecture theatre is in building Y2, which is the main School
of Chemisty building, it's just down the hill from Computer Science on the
right (not to be confused with Chemistry West).

Start time is 6pm on 25th August.

The talk is open to all and will be followed by the official Birmingham LUG
meeting which will take place in the Bratby Bar, Staff House.

My apologies for not getting this message out sooner, I hope this doesn't
spoil too many holiday plans, but it has taken longer than expected to
confirm the arrangements.

Tim W

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [lugmaster] Richard Stallman in Birmingham - 6pm August 25th 2011

2011-08-08 Thread James Tait
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On 08/08/11 15:29, Alan Pope wrote:
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 *Subject:* *[lugmaster] Richard Stallman in Birmingham - 6pm August
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 Richard Stallman will be giving a talk at the University of Birmingham
 this month.

Thank you for reminding me - RMS is also at Nottinghack the day before:

http://nottinghack.org.uk/?p=873


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed

2011-08-08 Thread alan c
On 08/08/11 13:38, Barry Drake wrote:
 On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 12:34 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
 I wonder if it would be possible for Cougar to create a page on their
 website advertising Ubuntu PCs? I couldn't see one when I looked, but
 if Cougar could do that, I'm sure it would help them lots more
 exposure within the Ubuntu community.
 
 I think it unlikely.  The first guy I talked to was very garded and said
 at first that they didn't have any dealings with Linux at all and didn't
 support it.  Then when pressed, he admitted that they had sent out a
 couple of machines with Ubuntu pre-installed.  Then he put me through to
 Patrick who said they would be delighted to supply pre-installed.  I
 guess they don't want to advertise so that folk come to them and then
 need support with the OS.

They might also be fearful of adverse consequences with their presumed
discount for MS OS's?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed

2011-08-08 Thread Barry Drake
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 17:11 +0100, alan c wrote:
 They might also be fearful of adverse consequences with their presumed
 discount for MS OS's?

I don't think so.  I talked this through thoroughly with pcspecialist.
It was all down to a question of full support.  They tried selling a
range of equipment with Ubuntu pre-installed, and found that currently,
they were not up to giving Ubuntu OS support.

A manufacturer is legally obliged to give proper support, and this
applies to Cougar, so I fully understand their reluctance - they just
don't have Linux aware staff.  However, Patrick obviously knows enough
to be happy testing and guaranteeing an Ubuntu install - but only if the
product is going out to a Linux aware customer like you or me.

Regards,Barry.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed

2011-08-08 Thread Barry Titterton
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 18:13 +0100, Barry Drake wrote:
 They tried selling a
 range of equipment with Ubuntu pre-installed, and found that currently,
 they were not up to giving Ubuntu OS support.
 
 A manufacturer is legally obliged to give proper support, and this
 applies to Cougar, so I fully understand their reluctance - they just
 don't have Linux aware staff.

Perhaps a job opportunity for a linux user? Anyone who is interested
could could offer their services as either staff or freelance.

I'm only a few miles away in mid Derbyshire so I shall keep them in
mind.

Barry T



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