[ubuntu-uk] Which boot options on the live CD?
Hi, I was looking ar a PC for a neighbour and tried to boot from a live CD to backup some data for them. The Ubuntu and Xubuntu live CDs wont boot, but a Knoppix DVD will boot and run just fine. How can I tell what if any boot options the knoppix system booted with? Heres the output of lspci and lscpu on the machine in question: knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ lspci 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a1) 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 LPC Bridge (rev a2) 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SMBus (rev a2) 00:01.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a2) 00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev a2) 00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev a2) 00:04.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI bridge (rev a1) 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2) 00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2) 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev a2) 00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev a2) 00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev a2) 00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev a2) 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6100 nForce 405] (rev a2) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ lscpu Architecture: i686 CPU op-mode(s):64-bit CPU(s):1 Thread(s) per core:1 Core(s) per socket:1 CPU socket(s): 1 Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD CPU family:15 Model: 95 Stepping: 2 CPU MHz: 2410.764 Virtualization:AMD-V L1d cache: 64K L1i cache: 64K L2 cache: 512K knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ Thanks -Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Which boot options on the live CD?
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 09:51:34AM +, Byte Soup wrote: I was looking ar a PC for a neighbour and tried to boot from a live CD to backup some data for them. The Ubuntu and Xubuntu live CDs wont boot, but a Knoppix DVD will boot and run just fine. How can I tell what if any boot options the knoppix system booted with? cat /proc/cpuinfo But this may be a red herring; kernel differences may matter more, or it could be something else depending on exactly what's going on. -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@ubuntu.com] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
From the G+ novice department: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK Team (circle). Is it actually there? Anyone? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Thanks Andy. mmm what to do. I have a Circle named Ubuntu UK Team, with only Ubuntu UK Team in it. I enter this circle and put text into 'share whats new' at the top. Then 'share', and it gets shown when I look in my Ubuntu UK Team Circle as if it is posted to Ubuntu UK Team. Below it I see three items: +1 CommentShare and when I click on 'Share' I see: 'This post was originally shared with a limited audience – remember to be thoughtful about who you share it with' Which I had guessed that it was shared inside the Ubuntu UK Team Circle - that is, shared WITH the Ubuntu UK Team, but maybe not?? Help? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Thanks Andy. mmm what to do. I have a Circle named Ubuntu UK Team, with only Ubuntu UK Team in it. I enter this circle and put text into 'share whats new' at the top. Then 'share', and it gets shown when I look in my Ubuntu UK Team Circle as if it is posted to Ubuntu UK Team. If you share it with the user Ubuntu UK Team then only a user logged on as Ubuntu UK Team will see it. It is not like the facebook wall on which anyone can post. Think if you set up your daughter in a circle and shared something with her, then only she will be able to see it. It will not appear on her public page. Only stuff that she shares with the public will appear there. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK  Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Thanks Andy. mmm what to do. I have a Circle named Ubuntu UK Team, with only Ubuntu UK Team in it. I enter this circle and put text into 'share whats new' at the top. Then 'share', and it gets shown when I look in my Ubuntu UK Team Circle as if it is posted  to Ubuntu UK Team. If you share it with the user Ubuntu UK Team then only a user logged on as Ubuntu UK Team will see it what exactly does 'logged on as Ubuntu UK Team' mean? I have Ubuntu UK Team in a circle I made, I am signed in to G+ and am viewing inside my Ubuntu UK Team (circle), I see my own post and one about a song written for Ubuntu etc. What is the status of my own post? Isn't it shared with others also viewing the Ubuntu UK Team? tia -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12 November 2011 15:10, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK  Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Thanks Andy. mmm what to do. I have a Circle named Ubuntu UK Team, with only Ubuntu UK Team in it. I enter this circle and put text into 'share whats new' at the top. Then 'share', and it gets shown when I look in my Ubuntu UK Team Circle as if it is posted  to Ubuntu UK Team. If you share it with the user Ubuntu UK Team then only a user logged on as Ubuntu UK Team will see it what exactly does 'logged on as Ubuntu UK Team' mean? I have Ubuntu UK Team in a circle I made, I am signed in to G+ and am viewing inside my Ubuntu UK Team (circle), I see my own post and one about a song written for Ubuntu etc. What is the status of my own post? Isn't it shared with others also viewing the Ubuntu UK Team? tia -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- If the people are following youyou in a circle and you have them in the ubuntu-uk circle - then they will see it.. ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12/11/11 15:13, Neil Perry wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:10, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK  Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Thanks Andy. mmm what to do. I have a Circle named Ubuntu UK Team, with only Ubuntu UK Team in it. I enter this circle and put text into 'share whats new' at the top. Then 'share', and it gets shown when I look in my Ubuntu UK Team Circle as if it is posted  to Ubuntu UK Team. If you share it with the user Ubuntu UK Team then only a user logged on as Ubuntu UK Team will see it what exactly does 'logged on as Ubuntu UK Team' mean? I have Ubuntu UK Team in a circle I made, I am signed in to G+ and am viewing inside my Ubuntu UK Team (circle), I see my own post and one about a song written for Ubuntu etc. What is the status of my own post? Isn't it shared with others also viewing the Ubuntu UK Team? tia -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- If the people are following youyou in a circle and you have them in the ubuntu-uk circle - then they will see it.. Thanks So each participant must be in a circle - mutually as it were? So if I wanted a post to be seen by everyone who is following Ubuntu UK Team, is there a way for this? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12 November 2011 15:20, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 15:13, Neil Perry wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:10, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK  Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Thanks Andy. mmm what to do. I have a Circle named Ubuntu UK Team, with only Ubuntu UK Team in it. I enter this circle and put text into 'share whats new' at the top. Then 'share', and it gets shown when I look in my Ubuntu UK Team Circle as if it is posted  to Ubuntu UK Team. If you share it with the user Ubuntu UK Team then only a user logged on as Ubuntu UK Team will see it what exactly does 'logged on as Ubuntu UK Team' mean? I have Ubuntu UK Team in a circle I made, I am signed in to G+ and am viewing inside my Ubuntu UK Team (circle), I see my own post and one about a song written for Ubuntu etc. What is the status of my own post? Isn't it shared with others also viewing the Ubuntu UK Team? tia -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- If the people are following youyou in a circle and you have them in the ubuntu-uk circle - then they will see it.. Thanks So each participant must be in a circle - mutually as it were? So if I wanted a post to be seen by everyone who is following Ubuntu UK Team, is there a way for this? - Yes,that is the nub of the question I have. I can 'follow' Ubuntu-UK and get their posts on my 'wall', but how does one post something so that Ubuntu-UK 'followers' see it? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Which boot options on the live CD?
If the knoppix dvd gives you a grub prompt, edit the entry by pressing the 'e' key and reading the boot options On the ubuntu cd's I think there is a menu option for adding extra parameters Check the ubuntu wiki for common boot params, I think the usual ones are something along the lines of acpi=off and noapic Hth, Bodsda Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Byte Soup bytes...@gmail.com Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:51:34 To: UK Ubuntu Talkubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Which boot options on the live CD? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:47:28 + Tony Pursell wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:20, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 15:13, Neil Perry wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:10, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK  Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Thanks Andy. mmm what to do. I have a Circle named Ubuntu UK Team, with only Ubuntu UK Team in it. I enter this circle and put text into 'share whats new' at the top. Then 'share', and it gets shown when I look in my Ubuntu UK Team Circle as if it is posted  to Ubuntu UK Team. If you share it with the user Ubuntu UK Team then only a user logged on as Ubuntu UK Team will see it what exactly does 'logged on as Ubuntu UK Team' mean? I have Ubuntu UK Team in a circle I made, I am signed in to G+ and am viewing inside my Ubuntu UK Team (circle), I see my own post and one about a song written for Ubuntu etc. What is the status of my own post? Isn't it shared with others also viewing the Ubuntu UK Team? tia -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- If the people are following youyou in a circle and you have them in the ubuntu-uk circle - then they will see it.. Thanks So each participant must be in a circle - mutually as it were? So if I wanted a post to be seen by everyone who is following Ubuntu UK Team, is there a way for this? - Yes,that is the nub of the question I have. I can 'follow' Ubuntu-UK and get their posts on my 'wall', but how does one post something so that Ubuntu-UK 'followers' see it? I don't you you can. At least not yet. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12/11/11 15:47, Tony Pursell wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:20, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 15:13, Neil Perry wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:10, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK  Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what the people you put in that circle see. Is it actually there? Anyone? I don't see a post from you on the Ubuntu UK page. When I look on your specific page, I get alan hasn't shared anything with you. Thanks Andy. mmm what to do. I have a Circle named Ubuntu UK Team, with only Ubuntu UK Team in it. I enter this circle and put text into 'share whats new' at the top. Then 'share', and it gets shown when I look in my Ubuntu UK Team Circle as if it is posted  to Ubuntu UK Team. If you share it with the user Ubuntu UK Team then only a user logged on as Ubuntu UK Team will see it what exactly does 'logged on as Ubuntu UK Team' mean? I have Ubuntu UK Team in a circle I made, I am signed in to G+ and am viewing inside my Ubuntu UK Team (circle), I see my own post and one about a song written for Ubuntu etc. What is the status of my own post? Isn't it shared with others also viewing the Ubuntu UK Team? tia -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- If the people are following youyou in a circle and you have them in the ubuntu-uk circle - then they will see it.. Thanks So each participant must be in a circle - mutually as it were? So if I wanted a post to be seen by everyone who is following Ubuntu UK Team, is there a way for this? Yes,that is the nub of the question I have. I can 'follow' Ubuntu-UK and get their posts on my 'wall', but how does one post something so that Ubuntu-UK 'followers' see it? Exactly my problem! +1 ;-) -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. She later had contact with her son who connected remotely and 'could not find any significant problems and made the comment your HDD is formatted as NTFS the drivers in UBUNTU have only been around a short time. Basically a Microsoft file format. that has been reverse engineered. So he feels I should just do a full back-up at the moment and he will keep checking the hard drive. So that is what I shall do' I do not know whether to laugh or cry. (originally I attempted to post and share this on my Google+ but failed to share with Ubuntu UK Team) -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
Intriguing. So why would Ubuntu spot faults on a drive that Windows can't? I mean you can understand that guy's perspective, you would expect Microsoft of all people to be the best at working with NTFS. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. She later had contact with her son who connected remotely and 'could not find any significant problems and made the comment your HDD is formatted as NTFS the drivers in UBUNTU have only been around a short time. Basically a Microsoft file format. that has been reverse engineered. So he feels I should just do a full back-up at the moment and he will keep checking the hard drive. So that is what I shall do' I do not know whether to laugh or cry. (originally I attempted to post and share this on my Google+ but failed to share with Ubuntu UK Team) -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12 November 2011 15:47, Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk wrote: ... Yes,that is the nub of the question I have. I can 'follow' Ubuntu-UK and get their posts on my 'wall', but how does one post something so that Ubuntu-UK 'followers' see it? You don't, that is the big difference between the way facebook and g+ work. When you share something you say who you want to share it with so that is under your control (unless you share it as public). To share with a group of people you would need to put them in your circles, or they would need to put you in their circles so they see (in their stream) anything you make public. Note that Ubuntu UK is effectively a single person as far as g+ is concerned, not a group. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12 November 2011 16:37, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:47, Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk wrote: ... Yes,that is the nub of the question I have. I can 'follow' Ubuntu-UK and get their posts on my 'wall', but how does one post something so that Ubuntu-UK 'followers' see it? You don't, that is the big difference between the way facebook and g+ work. When you share something you say who you want to share it with so that is under your control (unless you share it as public). To share with a group of people you would need to put them in your circles, or they would need to put you in their circles so they see (in their stream) anything you make public. Note that Ubuntu UK is effectively a single person as far as g+ is concerned, not a group. Further to that, though, if Ubuntu-UK (whoever that is) posts something that you can see and you comment on it then all who can see the original post will see your comment. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
On 12 November 2011 16:31, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. When you say it showed some errors, are you talking about SMART errors or what? Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
On 12/11/11 16:43, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 16:31, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. When you say it showed some errors, are you talking about SMART errors or what? Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows presumably, looked at the file system, saw nothing untoward, and rubbished Ubuntu. That 'NTFS' drivers was mentioned suggests to me that he was mistakenly looking at the file system, not SMART information. I have always found the Ubuntu disc utility to be reliable, and checks ot fairly well with a seagate tool I have too. Any other experiences? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
Ah, now I understand. This same utility saved all the data on my 1TB drive only a couple of weeks back. It's unwell, very unwell! On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:03 PM, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 16:43, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 16:31, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. When you say it showed some errors, are you talking about SMART errors or what? Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows presumably, looked at the file system, saw nothing untoward, and rubbished Ubuntu. That 'NTFS' drivers was mentioned suggests to me that he was mistakenly looking at the file system, not SMART information. I have always found the Ubuntu disc utility to be reliable, and checks ot fairly well with a seagate tool I have too. Any other experiences? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12 November 2011 16:37, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:47, Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk wrote: ... Yes,that is the nub of the question I have. I can 'follow' Ubuntu-UK and get their posts on my 'wall', but how does one post something so that Ubuntu-UK 'followers' see it? You don't, that is the big difference between the way facebook and g+ work. When you share something you say who you want to share it with so that is under your control (unless you share it as public). To share with a group of people you would need to put them in your circles, or they would need to put you in their circles so they see (in their stream) anything you make public. Note that Ubuntu UK is effectively a single person as far as g+ is concerned, not a group. Colin So G+ doesn't have something like Facebook has here http://www.facebook.com/CitizensAdvice?sk=wall for anyone to post something on their page? So who can post something as Ubunt-UK? Tony -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
On 12 November 2011 17:03, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 16:43, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 16:31, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. When you say it showed some errors, are you talking about SMART errors or what? Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows presumably, looked at the file system, saw nothing untoward, and rubbished Ubuntu. That 'NTFS' drivers was mentioned suggests to me that he was mistakenly looking at the file system, not SMART information. You could suggest she installs something like hdtune [1] (the non-pro version is free for personal use) which should show the SMART data. Alternatively the disk manufacturers often have diagnostic tools you can download with will show if there are any problems. Colin [1] http://www.hdtune.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
On 12 November 2011 17:08, Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk wrote: ... So G+ doesn't have something like Facebook has here http://www.facebook.com/CitizensAdvice?sk=wall for anyone to post something on their page? So who can post something as Ubunt-UK? Whoever registered the ubuntu-uk page. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
On 12/11/11 17:12, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 17:03, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 16:43, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 16:31, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. When you say it showed some errors, are you talking about SMART errors or what? Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows presumably, looked at the file system, saw nothing untoward, and rubbished Ubuntu. That  'NTFS' drivers was mentioned suggests to me that  he was mistakenly looking at the file system, not SMART information. You could suggest she installs something like hdtune [1] (the non-pro version is free for personal use) which should show the SMART data. Alternatively the disk manufacturers often have diagnostic tools you can download with will show if there are any problems. Colin [1] http://www.hdtune.com Thanks I will do that. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:37:31 + Gareth France wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. She later had contact with her son who connected remotely and 'could not find any significant problems and made the comment your HDD is formatted as NTFS the drivers in UBUNTU have only been around a short time. Basically a Microsoft file format. that has been reverse engineered. So he feels I should just do a full back-up at the moment and he will keep checking the hard drive. So that is what I shall do' I do not know whether to laugh or cry. (originally I attempted to post and share this on my Google+ but failed to share with Ubuntu UK Team) Intriguing. So why would Ubuntu spot faults on a drive that Windows can't? I mean you can understand that guy's perspective, you would expect Microsoft of all people to be the best at working with NTFS. You would expect so, but frequently you would be surprised. If I remember correctly, the first edition of NTFS was not supposed to suffer from fragmentation, according to Microsoft, so they didn't write a defraging tool. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
Nothing surprises me really. I just wish we could shake off the 'industry standards. It's annoying being bound to NTFS, .doc files etc. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Grant Sewell dcg...@thymox.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:37:31 + Gareth France wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. She later had contact with her son who connected remotely and 'could not find any significant problems and made the comment your HDD is formatted as NTFS the drivers in UBUNTU have only been around a short time. Basically a Microsoft file format. that has been reverse engineered. So he feels I should just do a full back-up at the moment and he will keep checking the hard drive. So that is what I shall do' I do not know whether to laugh or cry. (originally I attempted to post and share this on my Google+ but failed to share with Ubuntu UK Team) Intriguing. So why would Ubuntu spot faults on a drive that Windows can't? I mean you can understand that guy's perspective, you would expect Microsoft of all people to be the best at working with NTFS. You would expect so, but frequently you would be surprised. If I remember correctly, the first edition of NTFS was not supposed to suffer from fragmentation, according to Microsoft, so they didn't write a defraging tool. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
On 12/11/11 17:03, alan c wrote: Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows presumably, looked at the file system, saw nothing untoward, and rubbished Ubuntu. I came across this last year. I bought a secondhand drive from Amazon. Ubuntu immediately condemned it - it had close to the maximum of relocated sectors. Windows, however, didn't tell me anything! Obviously I got in touch with Amazon who gave me a full refund and told me to dump the drive. The seller seems to have disappeared from Amazon's list! They would have got away with it if I were a Windows user, as a few folk still seem to be. I'm told by a friend who was a developer on NTFS that it is an excellent filesystem, misused by the overarching operating system. It only fragments because its potential was never properly implemented. I tend to believe this. Maybe your friend ought to have been allowed to ignore the SMART test. The Ubuntu knocker would have had egg on his face in a month or two when the drive dies catastrophically! Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
A brutal viewpoint however it does end in a classic 'I told you so' moment. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.comwrote: On 12/11/11 17:03, alan c wrote: Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows presumably, looked at the file system, saw nothing untoward, and rubbished Ubuntu. I came across this last year. I bought a secondhand drive from Amazon. Ubuntu immediately condemned it - it had close to the maximum of relocated sectors. Windows, however, didn't tell me anything! Obviously I got in touch with Amazon who gave me a full refund and told me to dump the drive. The seller seems to have disappeared from Amazon's list! They would have got away with it if I were a Windows user, as a few folk still seem to be. I'm told by a friend who was a developer on NTFS that it is an excellent filesystem, misused by the overarching operating system. It only fragments because its potential was never properly implemented. I tend to believe this. Maybe your friend ought to have been allowed to ignore the SMART test. The Ubuntu knocker would have had egg on his face in a month or two when the drive dies catastrophically! Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?
This is a handy diagram of how Google+ works. https://plus.google.com/u/0/106393478695568433143/posts/bXh4UpWh3Kc But as I still have trouble with Facebook, I don't expect to be an expert on Google+ any time soon. :( Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
On 12/11/11 18:41, Barry Drake wrote: On 12/11/11 17:03, alan c wrote: Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows presumably, looked at the file system, saw nothing untoward, and rubbished Ubuntu. I came across this last year. I bought a secondhand drive from Amazon. Ubuntu immediately condemned it - it had close to the maximum of relocated sectors. Windows, however, didn't tell me anything! Obviously I got in touch with Amazon who gave me a full refund and told me to dump the drive. The seller seems to have disappeared from Amazon's list! They would have got away with it if I were a Windows user, as a few folk still seem to be. I'm told by a friend who was a developer on NTFS that it is an excellent filesystem, misused by the overarching operating system. It only fragments because its potential was never properly implemented. I tend to believe this. Maybe your friend ought to have been allowed to ignore the SMART test. The Ubuntu knocker would have had egg on his face in a month or two when the drive dies catastrophically! (grim smile) I have replied with a number of informative and polite and appropriate messages. The code of conduct would be proud of me! (note to self: I must try to understand exactly how to sign it). The person is still saying she wants to run Ubuntu (alongside), and I have suggested 1) she uses www.hdtune.com to do a double check for herself (or relative) and 2) that her relative please resize Windows first, then I will be able to help her with installing Ubuntu. I await this situation. My hopeful objective is to keep her and her associate on board, and quite possibly, in time, interest her relative too, when he becomes better informed. I live in hope as you see. Meanwhile, during today, I cannot tell you how much my diplomacy chip has been overheating. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
On 12 Nov 2011, at 23:29, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 18:41, Barry Drake wrote: On 12/11/11 17:03, alan c wrote: Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows presumably, looked at the file system, saw nothing untoward, and rubbished Ubuntu. I came across this last year. I bought a secondhand drive from Amazon. Ubuntu immediately condemned it - it had close to the maximum of relocated sectors. Windows, however, didn't tell me anything! Obviously I got in touch with Amazon who gave me a full refund and told me to dump the drive. The seller seems to have disappeared from Amazon's list! They would have got away with it if I were a Windows user, as a few folk still seem to be. I'm told by a friend who was a developer on NTFS that it is an excellent filesystem, misused by the overarching operating system. It only fragments because its potential was never properly implemented. I tend to believe this. Maybe your friend ought to have been allowed to ignore the SMART test. The Ubuntu knocker would have had egg on his face in a month or two when the drive dies catastrophically! (grim smile) I have replied with a number of informative and polite and appropriate messages. The code of conduct would be proud of me! (note to self: I must try to understand exactly how to sign it). The person is still saying she wants to run Ubuntu (alongside), and I have suggested 1) she uses www.hdtune.com to do a double check for herself (or relative) and 2) that her relative please resize Windows first, then I will be able to help her with installing Ubuntu. I await this situation. My hopeful objective is to keep her and her associate on board, and quite possibly, in time, interest her relative too, when he becomes better informed. I live in hope as you see. What evidence did you provide to backup you disk failure claim? Log of smart tools output or screenshots from disk utility may be useful here otherwise it's your word against his. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....
alan c wrote: I have always found the Ubuntu disc utility to be reliable, and checks ot fairly well with a seagate tool I have too. Any other experiences? Well, it's as good as SMART is, which is vague at best. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
