Re: [ubuntu-uk] lost clock/calendar on desktop toolbar!

2012-08-07 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker

On 06/08/12 21:20, Colin Law wrote:

Or even re-boot.


Did that. Still no sign..


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] lost clock/calendar on desktop toolbar!

2012-08-07 Thread Colin Law
On 7 August 2012 07:37, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 06/08/12 21:20, Colin Law wrote:

 Or even re-boot.


 Did that. Still no sign..

How about System Settings  Time  Date  Clock  Show a clock in the menu bar.
That is on Quantal so the words may not be identical, I have not got
access to a 12.04 system at this moment.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] lost clock/calendar on desktop toolbar!

2012-08-07 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker

On 07/08/12 08:39, Colin Law wrote:

On 7 August 2012 07:37, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:

On 06/08/12 21:20, Colin Law wrote:

Or even re-boot.


Did that. Still no sign..

How about System Settings  Time  Date  Clock  Show a clock in the menu bar.


No Time and Date function in System Settings!
Some process must have been disabled I would guess...

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[ubuntu-uk] SOLVED Re: lost clock/calendar on desktop toolbar!

2012-08-07 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker

On 07/08/12 08:39, Colin Law wrote:

On 7 August 2012 07:37, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:

On 06/08/12 21:20, Colin Law wrote:

Or even re-boot.


Did that. Still no sign..

How about System Settings  Time  Date  Clock  Show a clock in the menu bar.
That is on Quantal so the words may not be identical, I have not got
access to a 12.04 system at this moment.

Colin

It would appear that the package indicator-datetime had been removed 
somehow - I reinstalled and all seems to be well!

Thanks for your time...
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] recommendations for dongle internet?

2012-08-07 Thread Adam Funk
On 2012-08-04, Stuart Ward wrote:

 Disclaimer I have worked for 3 in the past.

 I tried very had when I was there to convince the broadband team that
 it was important to do some level of support for Linux, but all my
 protestations fell on deaf ears. No customer demand.. too many
 distributions and variations to support. Confuses the simple
 customer message...

Good for you!


 Please go into a shop and ask about Linux support.

I will if I decide later to go this way.  (As I said in my other
message a minute ago, I'm too much of a cheapskate!)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] recommendations for dongle internet?

2012-08-07 Thread Barry Drake

On 07/08/12 15:08, Adam Funk wrote:
Thanks very much to everyone who replied. Unfortunately, having looked 
at the up-front prices for PAYG, and the total costs of the contracts, 
I've decided to just use the public library's wi-fi for a holiday 
(self-catering in the UK but without an internet connection). I'll 
file the information away in case I change my mind later, though. 
Thank, Adam 


I got an unlocked dongle on e-bay really cheaply, and then looked for 
the best deal for PAYG connection - at that time it was on 3 but 
currently I believe TalkMobile is the best bet unless you want a lot of 
data.  They cap at 25p per day for no more than 50mb which does for 
e-mails and a bit of browsing.  I've used my dongle on 3, Virgin media, 
t-mobile and TalkMobile - whichever is best for the moment.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] recommendations for dongle internet?

2012-08-07 Thread Gareth France


On 07/08/12 16:51, Barry Drake wrote:

On 07/08/12 15:08, Adam Funk wrote:
Thanks very much to everyone who replied. Unfortunately, having 
looked at the up-front prices for PAYG, and the total costs of the 
contracts, I've decided to just use the public library's wi-fi for a 
holiday (self-catering in the UK but without an internet connection). 
I'll file the information away in case I change my mind later, 
though. Thank, Adam 


I got an unlocked dongle on e-bay really cheaply, and then looked for 
the best deal for PAYG connection - at that time it was on 3 but 
currently I believe TalkMobile is the best bet unless you want a lot 
of data.  They cap at 25p per day for no more than 50mb which does for 
e-mails and a bit of browsing.  I've used my dongle on 3, Virgin 
media, t-mobile and TalkMobile - whichever is best for the moment.


Regards,Barry.


What about giffgaff? You can get 3gb of data for £12.50.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] recommendations for dongle internet?

2012-08-07 Thread Paul Sladen
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Adam Funk wrote:
 On 2012-08-04, Stuart Ward wrote:
  Please go into a shop and ask about Linux support.

Or if what you are really after is Ubuntu support, then ask for
Ubuntu support *by name*.  (Rather than asking for Linux).

  support for Linux, but all my protestations fell on deaf ears.
  too many distributions and variations
 Good for you!

Yes, too many variations [of Linux] has historically been an issue
and barrier in gaining Free software the mindshare/traction it
deserves.

Ubuntu is part of the answer to this;

Focus people's attention on a single well-polished brand and OS.  Get
consumers (such as you and I) used to using and asking for Ubuntu,
and also get the hardware and services vendors to support that the
same Ubuntu that the users are asking for.

-Paul


* NB. Once it's working on Ubuntu, it will work on all the distros:
the key is to *focus* initially, rather than dilute and confuse.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] recommendations for dongle internet?

2012-08-07 Thread Kris Douglas
On 7 August 2012 17:26, Paul Sladen ubu...@paul.sladen.org wrote:
 On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Adam Funk wrote:
 On 2012-08-04, Stuart Ward wrote:
  Please go into a shop and ask about Linux support.

 Or if what you are really after is Ubuntu support, then ask for
 Ubuntu support *by name*.  (Rather than asking for Linux).

  support for Linux, but all my protestations fell on deaf ears.
  too many distributions and variations
 Good for you!

 Yes, too many variations [of Linux] has historically been an issue
 and barrier in gaining Free software the mindshare/traction it
 deserves.

 Ubuntu is part of the answer to this;

 Focus people's attention on a single well-polished brand and OS.  Get
 consumers (such as you and I) used to using and asking for Ubuntu,
 and also get the hardware and services vendors to support that the
 same Ubuntu that the users are asking for.

 -Paul


 * NB. Once it's working on Ubuntu, it will work on all the distros:
 the key is to *focus* initially, rather than dilute and confuse.

I was about to comment on this saying that was a bit of a bad idea,
when I actually thought about it, it's quite frankly genius.

What's the point in confusing suppliers with jargon and options and
just say Will this work with Ubuntu? Make it work, etc. It gives
them a name to hang on to, Linux is a very scary word to drop it
seems.

I have seen it smack the grin off many a PC World employee, god knows
what Orange, 3 or Voda must think when they hear the dreaded word
after they just sold a Dongle.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] USB 3 drive no longer automatically mounting

2012-08-07 Thread David King

This now seems to have fixed itself.


On 06/08/12 22:09, David King wrote:
I recently moved my Ubuntu installation (10.10) from one hard disk to 
another. I also installed Linux Mint on the new drive, which controls 
the boot menu (on the old hard disk the boot menu was installed by 
Ubuntu 11.10).


Previously when booting into Ubuntu an external hard drive on a USB 3 
port automatically mounted, using its entry in fstab.


Now, when booting from the new hard disk (the partition was copied 
using dd so it should be identical to the old one), it fails to mount 
the USB 3 disk.


Once Ubuntu has booted, I have to switch off the USB 3 drive, switch 
it back on, and then run sudo mount -a to get it mounted. Before I do 
this there is no way to mount it, it is not even listed in gparted.


So how can I get the USB 3 drive automatically recognised and mounted 
at bootup as before?



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[ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu

2012-08-07 Thread David King
I was using Ubuntu Studio 10.10, and as I have the week off, finally 
decided to take the plunge and upgrade to 12.04.


I therefore used the Update Manager, went to 11.04, then to 11.10.

But I cannot get any further. When I try to run the Update Manager, 
nothing happens. I tried from a terminal and got the following:


~$ update-manager
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/bin/update-manager, line 26, in module
from gi.repository import Gtk
  File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/__init__.py, line 23, in 
module

from ._gi import _API, Repository
ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/_gi.so: undefined 
symbol: g_callable_info_skip_return



Is this a known bug, or is it just something simple that can be fixed 
easily?



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu

2012-08-07 Thread Barry Drake

On 07/08/12 18:15, David King wrote:

I answered so many people with similar problems on one of the forums.  
You will very probably spend a lot of time failing to fix it until 
finally you break it altogether.  Your quickest answer is possibly to 
back up your data and do a completely clean install, reformatting in the 
process.  Others will probably disagree, but I'm speaking from my own 
experience and a lot of time wasted.  I shall never again use the update 
facility to do an upgrade.  Clean install for me on every version upgrade.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu

2012-08-07 Thread Liam Proven
On 7 August 2012 18:15, David King linux...@avoura.com wrote:
 I was using Ubuntu Studio 10.10, and as I have the week off, finally decided
 to take the plunge and upgrade to 12.04.

 I therefore used the Update Manager, went to 11.04, then to 11.10.

 But I cannot get any further. When I try to run the Update Manager, nothing
 happens. I tried from a terminal and got the following:

 ~$ update-manager
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/update-manager, line 26, in module
 from gi.repository import Gtk
   File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/__init__.py, line 23, in
 module
 from ._gi import _API, Repository
 ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/_gi.so: undefined symbol:
 g_callable_info_skip_return


 Is this a known bug, or is it just something simple that can be fixed
 easily?

Is the install fully up-to-date?

If not, do:

sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y

Reboot, then try again.


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[ubuntu-uk] Open office python as an Ms office alternative.

2012-08-07 Thread Dave Hanson
Hi everyone,

Lots of people are forced to use vba  and Ms office at work for various
reasons. (I am at least)

Can we use python and open office?

Does anyone use any other ’all in one’ package that can achieve the same
results as the boss expects in excel or access?

Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] skype

2012-08-07 Thread Rob Beard

On 06/08/12 18:53, Wayne Roberts wrote:

Hi all,

Since i installed 'dropbox' skype crashes straight away with the error
Aborted (core dumped)

Anybody got any clues?
I've seen this due to lack of disk space, confused me for ages. Maybe 
try renaming the .Skype directory too.


Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] skype

2012-08-07 Thread Wayne Roberts
On 07/08/12 19:46, Rob Beard wrote:
 On 06/08/12 18:53, Wayne Roberts wrote:
 Hi all,

 Since i installed 'dropbox' skype crashes straight away with the error
 Aborted (core dumped)

 Anybody got any clues?
 I've seen this due to lack of disk space, confused me for ages. Maybe
 try renaming the .Skype directory too.

 Rob

Cheers Rob, i'll try deleting the .skype directory


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu

2012-08-07 Thread David King


On 07/08/12 19:19, Liam Proven wrote:

On 7 August 2012 18:15, David King linux...@avoura.com wrote:

I was using Ubuntu Studio 10.10, and as I have the week off, finally decided
to take the plunge and upgrade to 12.04.

I therefore used the Update Manager, went to 11.04, then to 11.10.

But I cannot get any further. When I try to run the Update Manager, nothing
happens. I tried from a terminal and got the following:

~$ update-manager
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/update-manager, line 26, in module
 from gi.repository import Gtk
   File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/__init__.py, line 23, in
module
 from ._gi import _API, Repository
ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/_gi.so: undefined symbol:
g_callable_info_skip_return


Is this a known bug, or is it just something simple that can be fixed
easily?

Is the install fully up-to-date?

If not, do:

sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y

Reboot, then try again.




I did as you suggested, everything was up to date, 0 packages installed, 
etc.


I rebooted, but I still have the same problem.

It appears to be something wrong with python, and after searching 
online, lots of other users have had similar problems with python, 
running various programs that depend on it.


But so far no obvious solution.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] skype

2012-08-07 Thread Wayne Roberts
On 07/08/12 19:46, Wayne Roberts wrote:
 On 07/08/12 19:46, Rob Beard wrote:
 On 06/08/12 18:53, Wayne Roberts wrote:
 Hi all,

 Since i installed 'dropbox' skype crashes straight away with the error
 Aborted (core dumped)

 Anybody got any clues?
 I've seen this due to lack of disk space, confused me for ages. Maybe
 try renaming the .Skype directory too.

 Rob

 Cheers Rob, i'll try deleting the .skype directory


Wahey !! cheers rob.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu

2012-08-07 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi,

 It appears to be something wrong with python, and after searching online,
lots of other users have had similar problems with python, running various
programs that depend on it. 

Do any of them actually mention a bug number? [1] That is from the
lubuntu-qa area, but it does apply to everything when it comes down to bugs
:)

Regards,

Phill.
1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs



On 7 August 2012 19:53, David King linux...@avoura.com wrote:


 On 07/08/12 19:19, Liam Proven wrote:

 On 7 August 2012 18:15, David King linux...@avoura.com 
 linux...@avoura.com wrote:

  I was using Ubuntu Studio 10.10, and as I have the week off, finally decided
 to take the plunge and upgrade to 12.04.

 I therefore used the Update Manager, went to 11.04, then to 11.10.

 But I cannot get any further. When I try to run the Update Manager, nothing
 happens. I tried from a terminal and got the following:

 ~$ update-manager
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/update-manager, line 26, in module
 from gi.repository import Gtk
   File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/__init__.py, line 23, in
 module
 from ._gi import _API, Repository
 ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/_gi.so: undefined symbol:
 g_callable_info_skip_return


 Is this a known bug, or is it just something simple that can be fixed
 easily?

  Is the install fully up-to-date?

 If not, do:

 sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y

 Reboot, then try again.




 I did as you suggested, everything was up to date, 0 packages installed,
 etc.

 I rebooted, but I still have the same problem.

 It appears to be something wrong with python, and after searching online,
 lots of other users have had similar problems with python, running various
 programs that depend on it.

 But so far no obvious solution.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu

2012-08-07 Thread bumaw

  
  
Dnia 7-08-2012 o godz. 19:33 David King napisał(a):

On 07/08/12 18:15, David King wrote:
I was using Ubuntu Studio 10.10, and as I have the week off,   finally decided to take the plunge and upgrade to 12.04.  I therefore used the Update Manager, went to 11.04, then to 11.10.  But I cannot get any further. When I try to run the Update   Manager, nothing happens. I tried from a terminal and got the   following:  ~$ update-manager Traceback (most recent call last): 
File "/usr/bin/update-manager", line 26, in module  from gi.repository import Gtk  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/__init__.py", line 23,   in module  from ._gi import _API, Repository ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/_gi.so: undefined   symbol: g_callable_info_skip_return   Is this a known bug, or is it just something simple that can be   fixed 
easily?   David K   
I also tried running the Software Center, and got the same error message.   David K



http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-12-04-from-ubuntu-10-04-via-the-terminal/



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open office python as an Ms office alternative.

2012-08-07 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 7 August 2012 19:44, Dave Hanson d...@hansonforensics.co.uk wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Lots of people are forced to use vba  and Ms office at work for various
 reasons. (I am at least)

 Can we use python and open office?

 Does anyone use any other ’all in one’ package that can achieve the same
 results as the boss expects in excel or access?

 OpenOffice/LibreOffice has a VBA compatible scripting language which I
found easier to get started with and to extend as you have the advantage of
being able to generate macros and then edit them. The python API is still
more of pain than it needs to be - have a look at the example here:
http://api.libreoffice.org/examples/python/toolpanel/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open office python as an Ms office alternative.

2012-08-07 Thread Nigel Verity

Hi
I used to be a fairly serious Access developer and faced much the same issue 
when I made the move to Linux.
In my view OpenOffice/LibreOffice Base is by far the weakest part of the 
otherwise excellent office suite. Its native HSQL database is slow and the form 
designer is very limited in functionality compared with Access. Also the form 
appearance is archaic. Its biggest plus is that is it easy to link to many 
other kinds of DB such as MySQL and PostgreSQL, but you still don't get very 
good performance. My other big criticism is that the programming language (a 
variant of Basic) makes heavy weather of many features which VBA achieves with 
ease. To manipulate the GUI you have to think more in terms of how Visual C++ 
does things rather than VBA.
My solution is to use the Gambas development tool with a backend database to 
suit the application requirements. Gambas is very similar to VB in many ways, 
and better in some. The language syntax is similar. If you've used VB or 
Access/VBA you'd get used to Gambas pretty quickly. You can create very 
sophisticated GUIs and also compile to an executable. The executable requires 
the presence of a runtime library - another similarity with VB - but it means 
you don't have to deliver the code and form designs along with executable.
You can use data-bound controls or write your own code to read/write between 
form controls and the database, using the Result object, which equates to an 
Access Recordset. Although it requires a few more lines of code I prefer this 
latter method as it gives you total control over what gets updated and when.
Gambas can natively talk to a number of DB types. If you use SQLite (a file 
database) the analogy with Access is almost complete. Using Gambas/SQLite I've 
managed to create 10,000 records in a second during bulk updates. Base/HSQL 
couldn't come anywhere near this kind of performance.
Hope this helps. By all means contact me off-forum if you want to discuss the 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open office python as an Ms office alternative.

2012-08-07 Thread Dave Hanson
Thanks guys,

Lots of things to take in there.  I'll check all of that out and post back
if I find anything else.

Thanks
Dave
On Aug 7, 2012 9:14 PM, Nigel Verity nigelver...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Hi

 I used to be a fairly serious Access developer and faced much the same
 issue when I made the move to Linux.

 In my view OpenOffice/LibreOffice Base is by far the weakest part of the
 otherwise excellent office suite. Its native HSQL database is slow and the
 form designer is very limited in functionality compared with Access. Also
 the form appearance is archaic. Its biggest plus is that is it easy to link
 to many other kinds of DB such as MySQL and PostgreSQL, but you still don't
 get very good performance. My other big criticism is that the programming
 language (a variant of Basic) makes heavy weather of many features which
 VBA achieves with ease. To manipulate the GUI you have to think more in
 terms of how Visual C++ does things rather than VBA.

 My solution is to use the Gambas development tool with a backend database
 to suit the application requirements. Gambas is very similar to VB in many
 ways, and better in some. The language syntax is similar. If you've used VB
 or Access/VBA you'd get used to Gambas pretty quickly. You can create very
 sophisticated GUIs and also compile to an executable. The executable
 requires the presence of a runtime library - another similarity with VB -
 but it means you don't have to deliver the code and form designs along with
 executable.

 You can use data-bound controls or write your own code to read/write
 between form controls and the database, using the Result object, which
 equates to an Access Recordset. Although it requires a few more lines of
 code I prefer this latter method as it gives you total control over what
 gets updated and when.

 Gambas can natively talk to a number of DB types. If you use SQLite (a
 file database) the analogy with Access is almost complete. Using
 Gambas/SQLite I've managed to create 10,000 records in a second during
 bulk updates. Base/HSQL couldn't come anywhere near this kind of
 performance.

 Hope this helps. By all means contact me off-forum if you want to discuss
 the nitty-gritty that would otherwise cause eyes to glaze over.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu

2012-08-07 Thread David King


On 07/08/12 20:11, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi,

 It appears to be something wrong with python, and after searching 
online, lots of other users have had similar problems with python, 
running various programs that depend on it. 


Do any of them actually mention a bug number? [1] That is from the 
lubuntu-qa area, but it does apply to everything when it comes down to 
bugs :)


Regards,

Phill.
1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs




I found this page with the same problem,
http://askubuntu.com/questions/80448/what-would-cause-the-gi-module-to-be-missing-from-python

but no solution


This seems to be the same bug, with fixes, but I have not got the 
software versions that were fixed it seems


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/829186



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu

2012-08-07 Thread David King


On 07/08/12 22:33, David King wrote:


On 07/08/12 20:11, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi,

 It appears to be something wrong with python, and after searching 
online, lots of other users have had similar problems with python, 
running various programs that depend on it. 


Do any of them actually mention a bug number? [1] That is from the 
lubuntu-qa area, but it does apply to everything when it comes down 
to bugs :)


Regards,

Phill.
1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs




I found this page with the same problem,
http://askubuntu.com/questions/80448/what-would-cause-the-gi-module-to-be-missing-from-python

but no solution


This seems to be the same bug, with fixes, but I have not got the 
software versions that were fixed it seems


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/829186





Also in Synaptic, the option for Repositories (listing, adding) etc., 
does not work.




David K
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