[ubuntu-uk] Searching on the Dash
Ubuntu 12.04 Am I correct in thinking that the Search function on the Dash should search all of the documents/applications on the machine, or does it only search the Recently Used lists? Because if it's the former, then it doesn't. Is there some sort of indexing parameter that needs to be set? -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT - Wireless Repeater setup
On 24 September 2012 11:57, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, I have a BT Hub set up in the next room. My cottage has quite thick walls so I thought I'd set up a D-Link WAP I have as a repeater. However the User Manual doesn't tell me how to do this - does anyone know? Hi - You'd probably have to find out whether the BT Hub is capable of it, specifically by finding out what the actual model name and/or chipset is, as they do vary. If it's not available through the web interface then it might be through a command line. Simon -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
- Original Message - On 22/09/12 19:29, keith wrote: I'm happily using 12.04 on my laptop. I've just found out that Canonical has a tie-up with Amazon for 12.10 onwards. There is some discussion about what information will be sent to Amazon when executing a local search. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558489 Any information on this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-September/035905.html I don't agree with this decision esp. quote from olver ries mail For some of this content, if a user clicks the item and purchases it, it will generate affiliate revenue that we can invest back into the project (in a similar way to how we generate revenue from the Firefox search bar). We have found affiliate revenue to be a good method of helping us to continue to invest in maturing and growing Ubuntu. I don't agree with this decision I was not aware of this and consider it esp dreadful to set this as default in Ubuntu 12.10. Canonical could engage in other ways gaining Revenue than patronizing end-users As having Ubuntu on mobile devices i don't appreciate unwanted Traffic from/to Amazon refering to a high price on mobile data transfer... A constant keepalive to Amazon is also not acceptable... J -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
On 24/09/12 19:25, Juergen Schinker wrote: For some of this content, if a user clicks the item and purchases it, it will generate affiliate revenue that we can invest back into the project (in a similar way to how we generate revenue from the Firefox search bar). We have found affiliate revenue to be a good method of helping us to continue to invest in maturing and growing Ubuntu. I don't agree with this decision I was not aware of this and consider it esp dreadful to set this as default in Ubuntu 12.10. You're aware of it now, mere days after it landed in the as-yet unreleased development version of Ubuntu, some four weeks before 12.10 is released. Canonical could engage in other ways gaining Revenue than patronizing end-users Suggestions welcome. We'd love to hear them! As having Ubuntu on mobile devices i don't appreciate unwanted Traffic from/to Amazon refering to a high price on mobile data transfer... We've been thinking hard about this particular issue and it's not straightforward to solve. Ideally NetworkManager should let us know when the user is on a non-unlimited connection, but that's not easy to determine. Especially when users have tethered to phones via a wifi, or are using a portable hotspot. Patches welcome! A constant keepalive to Amazon is also not acceptable... 1) It's not just Amazon. 2) It's uninstallable 3) It's not a constant keepalive, only when you search in the home screen of the dash 4) It doesn't go directly to Amazon (or other stores) anyway. It's proxied via a Canonical server which anonymizes the requests. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
On 24 September 2012 23:32, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: 4) It doesn't go directly to Amazon (or other stores) anyway. It's proxied via a Canonical server which anonymizes the requests. Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I (hypothetically) type into the Dash is being transmitted to Canonical? J -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
On 24/09/12 23:51, J Fernyhough wrote: Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I (hypothetically) type into the Dash is being transmitted to Canonical? If you type in the home screen of the dash, the search term goes to a specific server at Canonical. It's currently http, but it's migrating to https very soon. As I understand it the backend is designed such that we don't store data about our users, even the IP addresses the requests come from gets munged. We already had this in previous releases. If you search for something in the video or music lenses, that search goes to a Canonical server to see if there's any online video/music that matches your search. It works in _exactly_ the same way, just surfaced in the home screen of the dash, rather than a separate lens. I think that's why many of us are a bit surprised there's such a bruhaha about this, given your video/music searches _already_ do this. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Searching on the Dash
On 24/09/12 12:10, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Ubuntu 12.04 Am I correct in thinking that the Search function on the Dash should search all of the documents/applications on the machine, or does it only search the Recently Used lists? Because if it's the former, then it doesn't. Is there some sort of indexing parameter that needs to be set? I believe it searches through all the files that zeitgeist knows about, which is basically recently used lists Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
On 25 September 2012 00:08, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 24/09/12 23:51, J Fernyhough wrote: Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I (hypothetically) type into the Dash is being transmitted to Canonical? Hmmm.. You are writing from a google mail account that does send targeted adverts dependent on the content of your emails. This system is giving you what you want without profiling you or passing your data on. I don't understand the issue here, there is no data mining going on. You make a request and the server gives you (hopefully) the response you want, much like typing in a search at google. Except google do profile you. This is making things more secure to search, not less... Or is my understanding completely off? If you type in the home screen of the dash, the search term goes to a specific server at Canonical. It's currently http, but it's migrating to https very soon. As I understand it the backend is designed such that we don't store data about our users, even the IP addresses the requests come from gets munged. We already had this in previous releases. If you search for something in the video or music lenses, that search goes to a Canonical server to see if there's any online video/music that matches your search. It works in _exactly_ the same way, just surfaced in the home screen of the dash, rather than a separate lens. I think that's why many of us are a bit surprised there's such a bruhaha about this, given your video/music searches _already_ do this. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
On 25/09/2012 00:08, Alan Pope wrote: On 24/09/12 23:51, J Fernyhough wrote: Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I (hypothetically) type into the Dash is being transmitted to Canonical? If you type in the home screen of the dash, the search term goes to a specific server at Canonical. It's currently http, but it's migrating to https very soon. As I understand it the backend is designed such that we don't store data about our users, even the IP addresses the requests come from gets munged. We already had this in previous releases. If you search for something in the video or music lenses, that search goes to a Canonical server to see if there's any online video/music that matches your search. It works in _exactly_ the same way, just surfaced in the home screen of the dash, rather than a separate lens. I think that's why many of us are a bit surprised there's such a bruhaha about this, given your video/music searches _already_ do this. Cheers, Its similar to apples voice..goes to their servers and then back to you...its why I dont use itbe interesting to know how android voice search works if it works in the same way..how much gets kept of the search and if it does for how long. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
First things, please don't view this as an attack on the usefulness of Unity lenses. View it as coming from a critical friend (and if in doubt re-read it a couple of times). On 25 September 2012 00:22, James Thomas selin...@googlemail.com wrote: Hmmm.. You are writing from a google mail account that does send targeted adverts dependent on the content of your emails. Which I know about. It's in the privacy agreement/terms of use when I sign up for the service. I don't recall anything similar with Unity, This system is giving you what you want without profiling you or passing your data on. Where's the privacy policy? How do I know this? I don't understand the issue here, there is no data mining going on. You make a request and the server gives you (hopefully) the response you want, much like typing in a search at google. Except google do profile you. Not quite. When I type into the Dash it's the primary way of launching local applications and finding local files. There was a blog post (IIRC by Mark) about changes to the Dash removing available for installation applications as people viewed their Dash as their own. In addition, with a Google search there's a privacy policy link at the bottom of the page; there's nothing similar for Unity. Plus, I can change the amount of information sent back to Google. If I search while not signed in it's not linked to my account. If I want to use the network-based location service on my Android phone I can set the device not to report my location to Google. Canonical can (theoretically) build a profile based on geoIP, Ubuntu One SSO, (Firefox searches?), and now Dash searches; the point of discussion is how to find the creepy line. This is making things more secure to search, not less... Or is my understanding completely off? It's all about making sure people are aware. Though this will likely open me up for flames, the evolution of the Unity lenses smacks of a hobbyist attitude (much like some of Google's services): it works for me, I have no problem with it, I can't understand why anyone would mind, but if you do you can go somewhere else. One solution is pretty straightforward: make online search features an option in the installer (same page as third-party codecs) with a link to the privacy policy etc. J -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
On 25 September 2012 00:22, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Its similar to apples voice..goes to their servers and then back to you...its why I dont use itbe interesting to know how android voice search works if it works in the same way..how much gets kept of the search and if it does for how long. Google Now. Incredibly scary. You are here! How about some food? This place has offers on food you like! And how about a film? They're showing a film you searched for recently...! J -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
