Re: [ubuntu-uk] Public library OS choice
On 12/06/13 12:43, Avi Greenbury wrote: If Windows 8 does have a prohibitively-steep learning curve (and I don't believe it does) then they will probably simply upgrade to Windows 7. When buying a printer a few weeks ago, I asked PcWorld if I could use the internet to check compatibility. They gave me a machine running Windows 8. I have to say I took to it very easily. It wasn't as nice as Unity, but it was far better than XP or Windows 7. However, I can now understand Windows users finding a problem with it, after all, Unity received a similar thumbs-down. I believe any Windows user who stick with Windows 8 for a couple of weeks is going to enjoy it! However, we need to take full advantage. The user is going to have to work with a huge change anyway, so why not make that change to Ubuntu? Anyone with a smartphone running Android or iOS is going to take to Ubuntu instantly, and more easily than to Win 8. Regards,Barry. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Public library OS choice
Paul Sutton wrote: > On 12/06/13 12:43, Avi Greenbury wrote: > > Muñiz Piniella, Andrés wrote: > >> Appart from canonical who could provide the service? And why is windows > >> service > >> cheaper than gnu/linux distros? I thought the reasoning was that one > >> gnu/linux > >> admin was more expensive than a windows admin but a gnu/linux admin could > >> manage over more units, so turned out cheaper. > > Windows desktops are easier (and faster) to manage in number than > > Linux because Windows has AD and Linux doesn't. On the *server* that > > thing about volume-per-person is truer. It's been a few years since I > > last looked at this in any great depth, but not enough that anything > > developed in the meantime is likely to be mature enough to really > > rival AD. > > > Isn't LDAP the equivalent of AD on windows. ? > > paul Not really. The big bit of AD is the centralised authentication and authorisation which is essentially Kerberos and LDAP respectively which you can do for free under Linux (and people do this to get AD auth working under Linux) but there's no real Linux replacement for the mechanisms for pushing out policies to clients (to enforce application installations or user restrictions), or for integration of privileges into fileshares and mailservers. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Public library OS choice
On 12/06/13 12:43, Avi Greenbury wrote: > Muñiz Piniella, Andrés wrote: >> A) I do not know about your local libraries but mine are still on >> windowsxp. So they will have to replace it soon with win8. And that >> has a steeper learning curve than any of the most common distros. B) > If Windows 8 does have a prohibitively-steep learning curve (and I > don't believe it does) then they will probably simply upgrade to > Windows 7. > >> win8 will require new hardware. > Perhaps following on from XP, but generally hardware will be replaced > to keep it in warranty as much as anything else. I know people running > Windows 8 on some pretty ancient hardware, and Ubuntu seems (judging > by other people's anecdotes) to be getting worse at old hardware, in > any case. > >> Appart from canonical who could provide the service? And why is windows >> service >> cheaper than gnu/linux distros? I thought the reasoning was that one >> gnu/linux >> admin was more expensive than a windows admin but a gnu/linux admin could >> manage over more units, so turned out cheaper. > Windows desktops are easier (and faster) to manage in number than > Linux because Windows has AD and Linux doesn't. On the *server* that > thing about volume-per-person is truer. It's been a few years since I > last looked at this in any great depth, but not enough that anything > developed in the meantime is likely to be mature enough to really > rival AD. Isn't LDAP the equivalent of AD on windows. ? paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Public library OS choice
Muñiz Piniella, Andrés wrote: > A) I do not know about your local libraries but mine are still on > windowsxp. So they will have to replace it soon with win8. And that > has a steeper learning curve than any of the most common distros. B) If Windows 8 does have a prohibitively-steep learning curve (and I don't believe it does) then they will probably simply upgrade to Windows 7. > win8 will require new hardware. Perhaps following on from XP, but generally hardware will be replaced to keep it in warranty as much as anything else. I know people running Windows 8 on some pretty ancient hardware, and Ubuntu seems (judging by other people's anecdotes) to be getting worse at old hardware, in any case. > Appart from canonical who could provide the service? And why is windows > service > cheaper than gnu/linux distros? I thought the reasoning was that one gnu/linux > admin was more expensive than a windows admin but a gnu/linux admin could > manage over more units, so turned out cheaper. Windows desktops are easier (and faster) to manage in number than Linux because Windows has AD and Linux doesn't. On the *server* that thing about volume-per-person is truer. It's been a few years since I last looked at this in any great depth, but not enough that anything developed in the meantime is likely to be mature enough to really rival AD. Windows techs cost less per hour than Linux ones traditionally, and when you're just running a few desktops that's how you think. If you're running a large number of desktops then the cost of retraining and retooling will probably dwarf the potential savings of not buying a discounted Windows license per desktop - nobody who is buying more than one or two licenses pays list price for them. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Public library OS choice
On 11/06/13 23:17, Muñiz Piniella, Andrés wrote: a gnu/linux admin could manage over more units, so turned out cheaper. That is - sort of - most certainly my personal experience. I help a big bunch of friends etc who, in the 'friends and family' network, looked to me to help them get onto Ubuntu. Most of them are very non geek. For example, when I was installing Ubuntu onto his PC, one commented 'How did you do that?' I had just done a copy paste. This person subsequently used Ubuntu 10.04 LTS for a couple of years without any further questions to me, his 'support'. Recently though, he (by accident) clicked to upgrade versions to (I guess) 12.04 LTS (!) he apparently coped ok 'it took a long time' he said. There is only a minor printer issue to be sorted. I administered Ubuntu 10.04 on a PC in an oldies community cafe (I qualify) for a couple of years (XP had given trouble we could not fix). It was in common use, no customers asked for help with Ubuntu. I recently upgraded the PC to 12.04 (Unity) and awaited questions. None. There was a seamless continuation of use! I literally got NO questions about how to use it as a changed UI. Impressive. I am seriously surprised at how little I hear from my 'flock' of novices. Ubuntu is VERY low maintenance. If I had to get income from selling support, I would not get much income from doing Ubuntu support to my own crowd, it is not big enough. But I would be inclined to want to convince people that they should stay with the high maintenance OS, not Ubuntu. $ -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
