Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[J Fernyhough]

On 30/04/18 21:05, Nigel Verity wrote:
> there are 6 desktop environments to choose from across the "%buntu"
> family, which is more than any other distro offers (as far as I'm aware)

Tee hee. You might check out Manjaro's offerings. ;)



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Nigel Verity]

While I am inclined to agree with a lot of Liam Proven's largely negative 
linked review of Gnome 3, I think it's important to acknowledge that there are 
6 desktop environments to choose from across the "%buntu" family, which is more 
than any other distro offers (as far as I'm aware). They are all 
user-configurable to a greater or lesser extent - some hugely so. If you find 
one DE just doesn't float your boat, at least one of the others surely will if 
you spend a little time experimenting with all the config options.

Too much choice isn't always a good thing, though. I've been asked a number of 
times "what does Linux look like?". When I explain that there is no one 
standard "look" it actually rings alarm bells to some people who associate 
choice with complexity. Corporate environments in particular seem to prefer 
standardisation. You can get alternative theme packs for Windows, but the fact 
that you rarely encounter them tells a story.

Nige
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Jim Price]

On 30/04/18 11:47, Liam Proven wrote:


So I myself am looking for a way to update my 16.04 install and _not_ get
GNOME. I have not found one yet. I may have to do a clean install with one
of the 3rd party Unity remixes.


Another way would be to convert it to an Ubuntu MATE install, upgrade 
and then install your preferred desktop (unless that happens to be MATE, 
then you don't need to).


I've not had to use it myself, but here's the process:



Ubuntu MATE is what I use as a base for using an alternate desktop - in 
my case Enlightenment. Ubuntu MATE seems to be well suited to this as it 
sticks to standards well and is an excellent fall-back should things go 
wrong elsewhere. I'd be using it myself now but for the Unity thing 
happening before MATE was released. I share your thought on Gnome3.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Liam Proven]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 at 20:17, Jim Price  wrote:


> Be aware that the above download for Ubuntu 18.04 is 64 bit only, so I'm
> not sure what happens if you try upgrading a 32bit install.

Upgrading a 32-bit install yields an updated 32-bit install.

You can't "upgrade" a 32-bit machine to 64-bit. You can install over the
top and it should leave the /home subtree and replace the rest, yielding a
64-bit install but with all settings etc. intact. Any additional apps would
need to be reinstalled.

> The very existence of this suggests to me that there should be enough in
> the repositories to do a 32 bit upgrade, but the problem might be that
> 16.04 uses Unity and 18.04 uses Gnome3.

There are only minimal and server install media for 32-bit x86, I believe,
but all the packages should be there and it should upgrade to a full,
working system.

But you are correct, upgrading a Unity-based install installs GNOME 3.
Unity remains present & can be chosen on the login screen but it defaults
to GNOME 3.

I am one of the many people who really dislikes GNOME 3 -- I tried to
explain why here:

https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/52807.html

So I myself am looking for a way to update my 16.04 install and _not_ get
GNOME. I have not found one yet. I may have to do a clean install with one
of the 3rd party Unity remixes.

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