Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
Dean Sas wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british David M wrote: However, 9.04 has removed the Logout/Shutdown options from the System menu in GNOME, meaning that I have no alternative now but to use the newish logout menu (that was introduced in 8.10, I think). If you remove the quit applet then you should get the menu items back in the System menu. Thanks for that advice. I'm not sure if I'll do that (yet?), as the quit applet does look kinda purty.. ;-) I think the idea is that it is confusing to have shutdown options from the quit applet and in the System menu. That doesn't make sense to me - application launchers are available in multiple places as are mounted volumes. Hmm, I agree that does seem a pretty silly policy. I gather that kind of thing is very typically 'GNOME', however.. :-( I wonder if I should file a bug/feature-request.. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
Adam Bagnall wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british David M wrote: ..in order to shutdown my computer, but as this menu item is no longer present, is it possible to activate the new logout menu from the keyboard? I presume it must be somehow, as it would probably be Very Bad from an accessibility perspective otherwise.. I asked the very same question the other day on IRC as I had the same habit. If you hit the power button on your pc/laptop it should pop up the shutdown menu, much quicker than alt+F1 followed by cursor keys :) goes away and experiments ..h, that's neat! That'd never have occurred to me! (although the power button isn't really closer to hand on my desktop, or should I say, buried under the desk, box!) An interesting example of where us techie-types /know/ that pressing the power button without first shutting down is /obviously/ a Bad Idea, but, actually, instead, what would turn out to be the instinctive action for a 'normal' person turns out in actual fact to Do The Right Thing.. Hey, does this mean that all that power management stuff is safe to play with now? plays further ..it even looks as though Suspend/Hibernate are working on my laptoy (Advent 4211), although Hibernate takes longer to defrost than booting up from scratch, which rather defeats the point! No such luck on my desktop, though, which is, as I suspect, probably a bit too old (~2004) to like that kind of thing. I could still do with a keyboard shortcut for when I just want to logout and hand over to a different user, though. David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
Daniel Rhodes-Mumby wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british On my box running Karmic here, you can press Ctrl-Alt-Del to popup a shutdown menu, although it doesn't offer an option to logout or switch users. I'm pretty sure the shortcut was in Jaunty and Intrepid as well. Thanks for that: again, not another key combo that it would have occurred to me to use, since it /obviously/ does bad things.. ;-) (You can imagine how perplexed I was the first time I came across a Whinedos box that asked me to do that in order to login..) -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 9.04: WiFi now works on Advent 4211 netbook
I'd just like to say a particular big Thank you to the Ubuntu devs as the built-in WiFi card on my Advent 4211 netbook is now working, now that I've upgraded to 9.04. The WiFi card hadn't been detected in 8.04 or 8.10, and although I'd tried to follow the instructions on the MSI Wind wiki (the Advent 4211 is a rebranded MSI Wind), I hadn't had any success, and had put this off as a project to look at again when I got around to it... I'm therefore very pleased that Ubuntu has saved me the effort, and I can now use my netbook as a proper portable! Now, if they could just get the webcam working in 9.10, I'd be 100% [1] sorted! :-) Thanks again to Ubuntu and any upstream devs for their work.. David. [1] Bluetooth worked right from the word go, which I was extremely impressed with at the time, as did synching files with my mobile via Bluetooth or USB cable. I'm genuinely impressed that the hardware hurdles in the way of Linux definitely seem to be getting fewer and fewer. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
I've just upgraded both of my boxes to 9.04, and it seems (so far) to have gone reasonably smoothly, which is a great reassurance as a couple (only a few, mind you) of the previous Ubuntu upgrades have been a little hairy.. However, 9.04 has removed the Logout/Shutdown options from the System menu in GNOME, meaning that I have no alternative now but to use the newish logout menu (that was introduced in 8.10, I think). I'd got into the habit of: alt-F1 [1], and then cursoring over to System - Shutdown ..in order to shutdown my computer, but as this menu item is no longer present, is it possible to activate the new logout menu from the keyboard? I presume it must be somehow, as it would probably be Very Bad from an accessibility perspective otherwise.. (Come to that, why does keyboarding through the menus only apply to the menus themselves and not to any program icons that you may also have added to the panel?) Thanks for any advice, David. [1] an obscure enough keyboard combo by itself, which I'd only found out about because I'd read it somewhere.. It would probably be nice if the Applications menu hover tooltip mentioned the existence of this keyboard shortcut, as I'm sure few people would guess it otherwise. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Which do you use?
Wulfy wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Which do you use? I was wondering how many people on-list used any of the alternate forms of Ubuntu - Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu etc. I mostly see references to the plain Ubuntu... I use Kubuntu, btw... Just can't stand that evil Gnome... :@) I run (GNOME) Ubuntu.. [1] ..but then install KDE onto it immediately ;-) [1] Originally, when Ubuntu had more developer resources going into GNOME, it just seemed a safer bet to stick with the standard system for critical tasks such as system upgrades. I don't think there's all that much to choose between KDE and GNOME these days (although sometimes I do get that feeling that GNOME is just that bit too simplified/restrictive). However, really the only reasons I use KDE are: It's what I know best; back in the day, pre-Ubuntu, GNOME was confusing to install - what, you need GNOME, and some window manager, and..? Trying to find all the right packages was confusing! With KDE you just looked for anything that began with k* ;-) I haven't yet found a replacement for KNewsTicker (which itself is rather aged - but I like it!). And of course, I run a mixture of KDE and GNOME apps depending on preference, so ultimately I see little point in getting too fanatical about it.. David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Alan Pope wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3. According to this:- https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have won the post of Point of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team. Hang on a minute!! Your post was dated: Sun Sep 30 16:14:32 BST 2007 Yet the poll was not due to close until: The vote should close Sunday 30th September at 21:00 (BST) [ref: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-September/007274.html] Who prematurely closed the poll, and why? (Come to that, who actually organised the poll on a technical level?) With a narrow margin of only 4 votes separating the top two candidates: Alan Pope for Ubuntu-uk PoC23 Dave Walker for Ubuntu-uk PoC 19 ..at the time that the poll was prematurely closed, this sham of an election must be declared null and void, and re-run. With such a close result, there may have been sufficient members busy doing things at the weekend who had planned to vote later in the evening, who could have influenced the result (either to change it or to show further support for the then-leading candidate), but they have been deprived of the opportunity to cast their vote. Frankly, I'm not at all impressed at a so-called community contact who illegally proclaims his sham victory in such a gloating and juvenile fashion, and such a lack of professionalism does not inspire confidence in how the candidate would undertake the role. Perhaps there will be no change in the result, but we need to be seen as professional and to act in a professional fashion, and for that reason we must re-run the election, with adequate publicity, adequate timescales and under no circumstances varying from the voting procedure once announced and agreed. I therefore propose that the election be re-run (with the same candidates [1]), starting at 0:01 on Thursday 4 October, and closing at 23:59 on Monday 8 October. Under no circumstances should the poll be closed before the closing time. [1] ..unless sufficient members feel that the poll has been mishandled to such an extent that they feel there should be a new call for candidates. I would be grateful if somebody could advise how to create a poll on Launchpad, thanks. David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Dave Walker wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Re: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3. On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 20:27 +0100, norman wrote: This is not a Political organisation. I assume its purpose is to help Ubuntu users and potential users. I fail to see what the object of the post is and why it is necessary. Perhaps, if you have the time, you could educate me and show me whether I am right or wrong. I find the tone of your posting very terse, and a fail to see what you are trying to achieve. I think Norman simply is unsure what the Ubuntu-UK Point of Contact role is for, and is merely asking for some clarification. There seems to be an unfortunate trend amongst some members to adopt too much of the Ubuntu jargon (this is not just an Ubuntu thing, it's far too endemic and 'user-unfriendly' in too much of computing), and when people talk (amongst the mass membership) too much hyper-abbreviated gobbledygook, such as LoCo PoC (hmm, /poco loco/, huh?), it's perhaps not surprising that it can be confusing and offputting to many ordinary Ubuntu users. Let's not forget that while Ubuntu works because of many people contributing a great deal towards the project, and while such typing shorthand may be acceptable in technical discussions within a knowing audience, bear in mind that Ubuntu would be far less successful without its growing userbase: and to encourage ordinary people to try, adopt and even become involved in Ubuntu, we need to speak to them (us) in more human terms. I would hardly call the discussion that took place an argument. It was a discussion.. This was essential, as in Ubuntu-UK's history we have never had an elected Leader/Point of contact. If you can find an organisation that has 267 members and doesn't have an electoral (fair) way of forming leadership, then I will be impressed.=20 As I have made clear, I am unhappy with the way that the election process was run (although I should point out that I am glad that some changes were made as a result of my comments, such as announcing the Poll Opening in a new thread, rather than hidden away almost as an 'aside' buried in an existing thread as had been the case with the abortive IRC poll attempt). However, I am not just going to gripe about it: I am perfectly willing to propose a procedure (because we need to have consistent and fair procedures) for holding such elections in the future, such that we can have a procedure in place in good time for future elections, and not be making something up on the hoof at the last minute. I feel it was essential that the results of the 'Poll' were communicated. Alan, who was successfully in winning the 'Poll' should be the person to announce this IMO. I'm afraid that also doesn't feel right (whoever wins). We should have a neutral 'vote coordinator' who: * is not a candidate * announces the election timetable, including Call for Candidates, Poll Open/Close * announces the results Alan followed the CoC quite happily, as he discussed (with me) whether he should be the one to announce it - and it's content. If you feel the Subject:; was inappropriate blame me. It's just one of those things that doesn't feel right when a not-disinterested party is making the announcements (and the way it was presented with its frivolous subject - which didn't even say who had won, you had to piece that together from the message and the From: field - came over as very unprofessional). Of course, once the official announcement is made, the successful candidate and any others are welcome to comment as they see fit (with whatever degree of frivolity they then feel is appropriate for their 'speech'). We do need to bear in mind that while Ubuntu can of course be fun and frivolous, if we are presenting ourselves to the public - and especially if the Community Contact is likely to engage with the media - we need to present ourselves as we would want others to see us. That doesn't necessarily mean shirt-buttoned-up formality (ugh), but there is a degree of professionalism that is necessary. I would like to thank the 19 people who voted for me; it's a shame I cannot know who you are, as I'd like to thank you all individually. As the very close runner-up, are you not concerned that the poll was closed prematurely, which may have made a significant difference to the result? David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Dave Walker wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Re: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands onhigh, playing track 3. I opened the 'Poll', and the process to do so is not well documented. [..] The second poll, I am not entirely sure went wrong with the timing; but as Launchpad only stated the date it would end, and not the hours until quite late on it wasn't noticed initially. Once i realised I immediately tried to rectify this error; As it required manual database access - I tried to contact all Launchpad 'devs', and there were not any available with suitable access privilege to make the change. Thanks for the explanation, Dave. Thanks also to Alan for his similar reply. It seems that the situation was really just an old-fashioned 'cock-up' rather than a 'conspiracy' and perhaps I should not have been so quick to express concern. I apologise to Alan if I have impugned him in my comments, but I am sure you can understand why I thought it looked like a bit of a fast one was being pulled. I was the 'runner-up', and I do not object to the outcome. If a significant proportion of the community feel that it should be re-staged then I will not object - but I do feel it is unnecessary. I must admit that you are being very gracious in defeat :) OK, given that it was just a sequence of teething troubles and mistakes, and that the runner-up is willing to accept the result (I should point out that from your Ubuntu 'CVs' either of Alan or Dave would be good candidates), if there is no strong feeling for a re-run of the election then I'm happy to let it rest. Obviously, anybody who did intend to vote, and was unable to, should speak out if they still have concerns. I agree that there has been numerous problems with the electoral process. However, this is our first formal election and I think 'teething' should be expected. I think our community has learnt from this; and the next vote should be somewhat more professional. I will blog/wiki the process, and hopefully other teams can learn from our mistakes. That sounds like an excellent idea. If I can assist with future votes, etc, I am happy to volunteer to help out. In reference to Alan's announcement, he did consult with me regarding the content of the posting. I suggested the Subject:, and he used it. I cannot speak for the other candidates, but I know Alan didn't wish the context to be conveyed as 'gloating', just humorous. OK, my apologies. It just came over the wrong way given what looked liked slightly dubious circumstances. (I didn't recognise it as a Doctor Who quote and just thought it was a bit too megalomaniac, even if intended humorously, in the circumstances.) ..anyway, the current incarnation of the Master was a bit crap, anyhow ;-( David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [IMPORTANT NOTICE] - Ubuntu-UK Contact
Thanks for your reply, Alan.. Comments below.. Alan Pope wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 23:30 +0100, David M wrote: The process sounds reasonable 'in the large' but definitely not in the detail. *Please* bear in mind that there are people who don't do IRC This is why it has been made a vote on launchpad and not IRC. If the vote had happened on IRC when it was scheduled to on Sunday 23rd there would have been about 10 or so people voting. Hardly democratic I'm sure you'll agree when there are over 250 people in the team (according to launchpad). Glurk! I wasn't even aware that there had been a proposal to vote on Sunday 23?!! When was such a proposal announced? I certainly don't recall seeing any mention of it on the mailing list.. The subject of the process for voting in a new Leader/Point Of Contact for the LoCo has been brought up (by myself) at multiple meetings in the past but it has either not been discussed or postponed for one reason or another.=20 Well, I've never taken part in an IRC-meeting, and I rather suspect that many people who are active on the list also haven't, either. I also rather suspect that online discussions requiring a right here, right now time commitment don't always work as well as the more gentle - and yes, more prolonged - discussion on an issue over some time on a list, etc, where people can take part at a time that suits them. If somebody can't make a fixed time appointment, they are more likely to just shrug it off and put it off until some future time, whereas a thread started on a non-realtime list, etc, does sit there as a prominent reminder more actively begging followup, perhaps. Now we are in a situation where the present leader has stepped down and we are looking for a new leader with no process in place to deal with that.=20 Indeed, and I do want to emphasise that I am glad that people are trying to put a process in place, but I am also concerned that the process is as democratic and as effective as possible. Well. What actually happened was that it was suggested in the meeting on IRC and subsequently on the list last week that the vote should happen on Sunday 23rd, but as not many people turned up on Sunday 23rd it seemed unfair to hold the vote then. Where was the proposed vote announced? I don't recall seeing mention of it on the list? That's a mere two days away! Many people won't have even read this message until sometime tomorrow, possibly even later, giving even less time to respond.=20 There have _already_ been mails asking for people to step up and add themselves to the wiki to put themselves forward. This isn't the first mail to mention it. There has been over a week to do this. We merely decided to extend the period to give a couple more days for any extra stragglers to add (or remove) themselves. Yeah, ok, fair enough. But prior to the new deadline date, I am not aware that a deadline for nominations had actually been announced. We all know how human nature is such that if a deadline is not actually set, many people will just hum and haw about making a decision and put it off until the last minute, whereas a set deadline tends to act as a more definite prompt for action. You are probably right that enough time has elapsed for nominations, but for future occasions it should probably be that an actual deadline is set, and notified, adequate time in advance, and that the nomination period should be long enough to allow potential candidates to give some time for thought. A GB general election (which some would consider is more important) gets the vote over and done with in a day for most people. Can we not cope with a few days voting I wonder? Realworld elections are also not announced with just a few days notice, however. They are announced a long time in advance to allow potential candidates to consider themselves for nomination, and equally importantly, to allow voters to make alternative voting arrangements (for example, in the realworld, postal or proxy voting) if they cannot otherwise vote during the voting period. What if a potential voter has already made plans to go away for long weekend this weekend? Indeed, what if somebody is already away on holiday and won't return until after the voting period? Again, that's too short a time. A week should be allowed for voting. (And why stop at 21:00, rather than 23:59? Or are people who check their email in the evening to be disbarred from participation?) =20 Why not 03:00, are people who check their email late at night disbarred from participation?=20 Well, indeed, but a cutoff has to be set somewhere, and if it starts at midnight it is at least fairly logical to also close at midnight. Past experience tells me that whatever scheme is concocted, *someone* will object. I am not trying to belittle your objections, I can see valid arguments in your points, but please don't think that this was done
[ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies
Hi, Now that external hard disks are cheap, I'm thinking about getting an external hard disk so that I can keep a backup of my data. In fact, I'm even thinking of getting *two* for alternate use so that if the worst should happen and my system dies while backing up my data I haven't toasted both my data and my sole backup.. When it comes to external disks, it seems I have the choice of not only a plain-old hard disk connected via USB, but also the possibility of NAS (networked-attached storage) where the hard disk is connected to my network, and contains a stripped-down OS so that it presents itself as a fileserver (I presume?). Does anybody know how well-supported either of these technologies are in Ubuntu? In particular, I'd also want to format the disk in ext3 format as I have no need or desire for MSWindows filesystems. On the one hand, NAS seems neat, but I don't have a home network, only a cheapo multi-port ADSL modem/router. These things tend to be a bit gnarly (and unfriendly) to set up at the best of times, so I don't know how easy - let alone whether - it would be possible to set the modem/router up to allow my computer to see a NAS disk. And given the horrible potential for unwittingly sharing the contents of a NAS disk with the entire internet, I'd have to be very careful! I gather that it is generally the case that any configuration of the NAS box can usually be done via a browser front-end; obviously any disk which requires Windows software is a no-no. On the other hand, a plain-old USB hard disk seems the simpler option. I would naively assume that as USB is now well-proven technology, these would work just fine with Ubuntu, but is that the case? How easy would it be to automate backups to such a disk? Would it mount with a persistent mount point, or would it change with every unplug or system reboot? Then there is the question of what backup strategy I should actually use. I was assuming that an automated rsync every week would be the easiest, but perhaps there are other possibilities? Something automated, once configured, without requiring user intervention is an absolute must: the whole point of doing backups is that I don't have to remember to do it! I mentioned above that having two external hard disks, alternating between current latest backup and disk being backed-up to, seemed a good strategy, ensuring that I always have one backup at all times. Alternatively, perhaps some kind of mirror RAID strategy would be worth considering, although that would seem to require me to have four hard disks to maintain my always one spare backup strategy (and is outwith my budget!). I also don't know whether USB HDs or NAS HDs are RAID-able. Can anybody offer any advice on this? Thanks, David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Looking for Ubuntu-friendly DTT/DVB card for Freeview
I'm looking for an Ubuntu-friendly DTT/DVB card so that I can watch Freeview on my computer. Well, card as in PCI card, or perhaps even better, a USB stick (with an eye to getting a laptop one of these days). I guess if I was being really clever I could even do funky things like record all the programs I want to watch to my hard disk as well, no more being constrained by the tv schedules.. :-) I've had a brief swatch around http://www.linuxtv.org/ but unfortunately it is (I suppose inevitably) all rather technical, with chipset names and numbers and what seem like minor nomenclature differences making all the difference between works and doorstop, and mention of all kinds of drivers and special kernels (which really gives me the fear), etc.. So I was hoping that someone out there perhaps had got DTT working on their Ubuntu box and could recommend a card/USB-stick that they'd managed to acquire recently from a well-known supplier such as Ebuyer or PC World (I know, I know, but they don't seem to be as bad/overpriced as they once were), or even their friendly and extraordinarily-Linux-aware local computer shop. So, is there a DTT solution that: 1 definitely works with Ubuntu 2 works without too much fear and pain as regards software installation (something that I can just apt-get and forget would be ideal) 3 I can get hold of easily 4 is cheap (under GBP 50) :-) Thanks for any advice, David. -- David M. -- Edinburgh, Scotland. -- [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] *Please trim quotes not needed for context, and interleave reply text.* *On-list replies preferred. Please don't also cc: list messages to me!* *Filter triggers: No-context, excess-quoting, slug-trails, zero-content* Mailing lists via your newsreader: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 6.10 Apache2/PHP problem: You have chosen to open [blank] which is a: PHTML file
[Apologies if this is a double-post, gmane seemed to hiccup when first trying to post..] I've just installed Apache 2 and PHP (using the Ubuntu 6.10 packages) on my computer to test websites locally. Apache seems to work fine, but PHP doesn't. It doesn't seem to make any difference whether I install PHP4 (preferred, matches my ISP) or PHP5. When I try to open a PHP URL, I get the following error (in Firefox): eg, for http://localhost/, where the implied index URL is served via PHP: You have to chosen to open [blank line] which is a: PHTML file If I explicitly supply the name (index.php) or try to open any other named PHP URL, the error is similar, except the blank line is replaced by the 'filename', and the final line is: which is a: PHP script (ie, slightly different) Whenever I try to restart Apache2 (using apache2ctl), I also get the following error: apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName I've read the Apache docs about 'ServerName' but I'm not sure where this directive should actually *go* (or what form, exactly, it should take for this installation). So far, I've configured (minimally) my webserver by hacking the sites-available/default configuration, which starts with the following: NameVirtualHost * VirtualHost * These obviously don't explicitly state the name of the computer, so I'm wondering what changes I need to make, if any, and whether this affects the PHP problem. I did a web search, and this seems to be a problem experienced by various other people, but unfortunately there don't seem to be any responses stating how to resolve it... :-( Thanks for any advice, David. -- David M. -- Edinburgh, Scotland. -- [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] *Please trim quotes not needed for context, and interleave reply text.* *On-list replies preferred. Please don't also cc: list messages to me!* *Filter triggers: No-context, excess-quoting, slug-trails, zero-content* -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Configuring grub: how do I determine location of /boot?
My system has for a long time been slightly unstable, in that occasionally it locks up (as far as user input and graphical updates are concerned) entirely for no apparent reason (although, weirdly, if music, etc, is playing at the time, it repeatedly loops the last second or so of the sound that was playing, suggesting that somewhere, deep down, the computer is at least still partially alive..). I suspect this is due to a probably shonky motherboard, but I'd like to consider all options.. I've gathered that disabling acpi and/or apic (with the noacpi and noapic boot options) may increase system stability in some instances, and have read the GrubHowto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto However, this contains the fear-inducing phrase: If /boot is mounted on another partition and you use update-grub, then you may run into problems. (another partition from *what*, btw?) S.., how can I find out where /boot actually is? My system has whatever-is-installed-in-the-MBR installed in the MBR of my first hard disk (hda) (which otherwise contains Some Other System), but Ubuntu itself is installed on the second hard disk (hdb). Thanks for any advice, David. -- | David M,__| replyto email valid 365 days | en, fr, (de) | | Edinburgh, Scotland. | but on-list replies preferred | | Please trim quoted text interleave reply comments for readability. -- ubuntu-uk mailing list ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
[ubuntu-uk] Re: [breezy] How to start / autostart leafnode?
Derek Broughton wrote on 25/02/2006 12:47:52-0400 about: Re: [breezy] How to start / autostart leafnode? David Marsh's listreading hat wrote: However, when it comes to leafnode, I don't know how to start it! Under these circumstances, I'd simply do: aptitude reinstall leafnode which should fix all your problems, Thanks, I've now tried this, which hasn't solved my problem but has written a line for leafnode into /etc/inetd.conf (exactly as you noted elsewhere in your message), which I think was an (entirely) empty file previously. if you have a backup of your actual leafnode data and filters. Sadly, the Ubuntu installer point-blank *insisted* I nuke /var before letting me reinstall. :-( Oh well, at least (recent) news is easily recoverable.. It runs from inetd when you connect to the nntp port, and it's updated from cron, running fetchnews and texpire. I see.. I didn't realise that leafnode required inetd. I'd have thought that it would automatically have installed it as a dependency if so..? Does it matter whether it's inetd or xinetd? Ubuntu seems to prefer xinetd as it's in main, whereas inetd (inetutils-inetd) is only in universe.. Thanks for your help, David. -- | David M, _| replyto email valid 365 days | en, fr, (de) | | Edinburgh, Scotland. _| but on-list replies preferred |__| Please trim quoted text interleave reply comments for readability. 29 days to go. http://www.clearingtheairscotland.org/ -- ubuntu-uk mailing list ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
[ubuntu-uk] Re: Running commands from bash in an xterm when logging-in (to X session)?
Magnus Therning wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 09:19:04PM +0100, David M wrote: I'd like, when I login, for one of these terminals to run some commands automatically. I know these would go in some kind of login file (eg, the more-obviously-entitled-than-some .login, in some cases), but I don't know which. Just to clarify, you want *one* out of several bash instances to run the commands? AFAIK anything you put in ~/.bash* will be run for *every* instance you start, so you'll need some more magic. Aye, good point. :-( Actually, considering what I want to do, it won't really matter if each shell runs the commands as they're not state-changing. What types of commands do you want to run in the bash instance? All that I really want is for the terminal to display the contents of a TODO file when I login, to remind me of things I need to do! It wouldn't matter if each startup terminal did this, although I suppose it would be better if subsequently-started terminals didn't do this (is there a way for an X-terminal to tell whether it is started on startup or manually?). I think the easiest thing is to replace one of the `gnome-terminal` calls you have in your existing script with `gnome-terminal -e 'bash -rcfile ~/.bash_specialrc'`. This will start a bash instance that uses ~/.bash_specialrc instead of /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc. Ah yes, that's an idea. Thing is, I don't know what starts up the terminals(!). They start because I deliberately leave them open so that KDE saves them as part of the session, and then restarts them automatically. I don't know where KDE saves this information, though? Thanks, David. -- --| David M. -- [en, fr, (de)] -- | reply-to email is valid 365d, | --| Edinburgh, Scotland. | but reply-to-list preferred | » Don't look lazy stupid: Please trim interleave quotes in replies « *Research climate change on your computer: http://climateprediction.net* -- ubuntu-uk mailing list ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
