Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-28 Thread Matthew Larsen
Hey Chris,

Nice article although I feel you fall into the 'non-techie explanation
trap' as I call it. For example in your first paragraph:

Microsoft Windows (or Windows more commonly) is a bit like a brain
for your computer. It's the 'intelligence' that knows how to print a
document or display a mouse pointer or connect to the Internet

is quite deceiving I find. My suggestion would be something along the
lines of: Windows is a piece of software called an Operating System.
The Operating System (OS) is an interface between the hardware,
software and the user. Without an OS computers are pretty useless
machines!... etc. I just find that saying things like 'its the brain
of the computer' doesnt do anyone any favours in trying to explain
whats going on

Let me introduce you to my favourite operating system -- no-one
will care what your favourite is. Its like saying a prius is my
favourite type of hybrid. Maybe just saying There is an alternative
to Windows...

Without getting into the nitty gritty and legalese, I think it
suffices to say that Ubuntu is free nice :-)

Ubuntu is safe Ubuntu is stable. I like these short statements a
lot. Remember that in a magazine article more people read the top of
the article than all the way through so you may want to re-structure a
little.

Ubuntu is environmentally friendly eerm be careful here. People will
assume that it makes your PC emit less emmissions. May want to replace
with Ubuntu can run fast on any hardware so you dont need to upgrade
every year


Hope these comments help :-)

Regards

On 24/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You seem to have a great understanding of marketing. I used to work for
 a large British computer manufacturer (who shall remain nameless) and I
 had a fair bit of involvement with the marketing department.

 They used to do things like send spam emails out and get blocked from
 some mail servers purely to get people talking about them. And a venture
 into selling Linux PCs got them on the news too. It worked though, they
 are one of the only independent UK OEMs still going (just about).



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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan c
 Sent: 23 July 2007 18:46
 To: British Ubuntu Talk
 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Fair enough. It's a difficult balance between factually correct and
  marketing.

 Understood. Marketing is to achieve an objective, though not quite at
 any cost. However, the sound bites and advert bites or whatever that
 we find ourselves immersed in, in the various media, in our daily
 lives are never factually correct in the technical sense.

 Even if push comes to shove and promises are found clearly wanting,
 the marketing blurb would have had a risk assessment and a damage
 limitation strategy ready in the (marketing persons mind, say) strategy.

 A well known question is What is the worst that could happen (if
 things went wrong)?
 Would a slightly imperfect statement in a parish magazine or local
 newspaper cause a national outcry - no.

 And in the unlikely event it actually did cause an outcry. What great
 coverage! Priceless national debate about masses of windows viruses
 versus one or two lucky mavericks in linux. But I dream.

 It is interesting to search say on 'Linux News'. There are a
 surprising number of really eye catching headlines, some associated
 with highly controversial content. It gets coverage. The skill is to
 get noticed by various means without being dis-honourable.

 FWIW I think information is best aimed at a particular target
 audience, with probably differing content for different purposes.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-28 Thread alan c
Matthew Larsen wrote:
 Hey Chris,
 
 Nice article although I feel you fall into the 'non-techie explanation
 trap' as I call it.

The article is aimed at non techie readers, so a non techie 
explanation is needed. Most of the computer users I know use a 
computer they use Windows. Period. They do not know or even want to 
know about 'software', let alone an 'operating system'.

The marketing target is different to the target reader you have in 
mind, I guess.

 For example in your first paragraph:
 Microsoft Windows (or Windows more commonly) is a bit like a brain
 for your computer. It's the 'intelligence' that knows how to print a
 document or display a mouse pointer or connect to the Internet

My view is that this is a really excellent way to describe the general 
concept of what is offered. That is, to people who think a computer 
*is* Windows.

I would be confident that most people think this. Even a close family 
member with a brain as big as a planet and so fluent at use of a 
computer that it could be used by them in their sleep said to me 
recently - 'Linux is an operating system, yes?' This person is a 
marketing director level, but no tech qualifications. They had been 
using windows for years, and still did not know (or care!) that is was 
an operating system. This is the power of Marketing, specifically that 
of Microsoft's.

I suggest there are a number of different target audiences to be 
communicated with, some have a *lot* of influence, but are thoroughly 
non technical.

The lack of double glazing salespersons in the linux community means 
that we too easily expect - (and get) - criticism from technically 
weak statements. I picked up a 16 page booklet on the latest Office 
program by Microsoft. It did not contain a single checkable fact and 
no technical statements at all! This is how marketing is done. We 
should be doing the same.

We need to identify who our target audiences are, and take action for 
all of them if possible. Look at the style and vocabulary content of 
different publications. Some have a very restricted vocabulary indeed. 
This would place constraints on deemed successful new content offered.

I have a leaflet which is aimed for computer fairs and works fairly 
well for people who expect to manage their own computers. It seems to 
work best when they have already had some vague knowledge of the linux 
alternative, as many of these have had, but maybe never followed up. 
My leaflet would not be best for street handouts. And no one would put 
their knitting down because this  leaflet attracted them! It is for a 
different audience.

For example, a non techie article should aim to attract and excite a 
reader who would then show it to their FOFM (friend or family member) 
who is their technical support, and they say 'Hey I would like to try 
this!' 'This soap powder does not get viruses, is free, no strings, 
and can even run from a CD and on Ben's old PC!'

And more in the same vein...  :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-24 Thread Mark Harrison
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fair enough. It's a difficult balance between factually correct and
 marketing.

 I left it as viruses because I thought virii may be too confusing for
 the uninitiated? I'm impressed by the leaflet by the way.

   

Wikipedia and the Oxford English Dictionary both say that viruses is 
correct:


The latin plural viri does exist, but as the plural of vir (man) not 
virus (poison).

The plural latin virii would imply that the singular were virius, 
not virus.


More at http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-24 Thread Darren.Mansell
You seem to have a great understanding of marketing. I used to work for
a large British computer manufacturer (who shall remain nameless) and I
had a fair bit of involvement with the marketing department. 

They used to do things like send spam emails out and get blocked from
some mail servers purely to get people talking about them. And a venture
into selling Linux PCs got them on the news too. It worked though, they
are one of the only independent UK OEMs still going (just about).



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan c
Sent: 23 July 2007 18:46
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fair enough. It's a difficult balance between factually correct and
 marketing.

Understood. Marketing is to achieve an objective, though not quite at 
any cost. However, the sound bites and advert bites or whatever that 
we find ourselves immersed in, in the various media, in our daily 
lives are never factually correct in the technical sense.

Even if push comes to shove and promises are found clearly wanting, 
the marketing blurb would have had a risk assessment and a damage 
limitation strategy ready in the (marketing persons mind, say) strategy.

A well known question is What is the worst that could happen (if 
things went wrong)?
Would a slightly imperfect statement in a parish magazine or local 
newspaper cause a national outcry - no.

And in the unlikely event it actually did cause an outcry. What great 
coverage! Priceless national debate about masses of windows viruses 
versus one or two lucky mavericks in linux. But I dream.

It is interesting to search say on 'Linux News'. There are a 
surprising number of really eye catching headlines, some associated 
with highly controversial content. It gets coverage. The skill is to 
get noticed by various means without being dis-honourable.

FWIW I think information is best aimed at a particular target 
audience, with probably differing content for different purposes.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-24 Thread Darren.Mansell
Very interesting. Thanks :)

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Sent: 24 July 2007 07:38
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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fair enough. It's a difficult balance between factually correct and
 marketing.

 I left it as viruses because I thought virii may be too confusing for
 the uninitiated? I'm impressed by the leaflet by the way.

   

Wikipedia and the Oxford English Dictionary both say that viruses is 
correct:


The latin plural viri does exist, but as the plural of vir (man) not

virus (poison).

The plural latin virii would imply that the singular were virius, 
not virus.


More at http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html

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[ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
As promised, I've had a bash at writing something which would be
suitable for inclusion in a local magazine.  As always please correct,
suggest and improve :-)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArticleForLocalMagazine

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Alec Wright
Pretty good, but:
Ubuntu doesn't get viruses should be Ubuntu rarely gets viruses.
You should point out that antivirus  firewalls slow down your computer.
Linux runs the entire internet should be Linux runs about half of the
internet as about 50% of websites are hosted on linux.
Also, you should recommend that people download CDs if they have fast
internet, rather than getting them off of shipit, but still state that
shipit is an option if you have slow/no internet.
On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 13:57 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
 As promised, I've had a bash at writing something which would be
 suitable for inclusion in a local magazine.  As always please correct,
 suggest and improve :-)
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArticleForLocalMagazine
 
 Cheers
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Darren.Mansell
I've made some slight alterations, I think some of the bottom part needs
re-writing though :( It claims a little too much and would make any I.T.
literate person ignore it as a fanboy rant.

Great idea though, engaging in some guerilla tactics to get the word
out.

Do you mind if I edit a little more? You can always change it back.

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Sent: 23 July 2007 13:58
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Subject: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

As promised, I've had a bash at writing something which would be
suitable for inclusion in a local magazine.  As always please correct,
suggest and improve :-)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArticleForLocalMagazine

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
 Do you mind if I edit a little more? You can always change it back

That's the idea folks ;-)

Get in there and edit it - it's just a concept. I have the original
anyway. I just want something effective and I'm not big headed enough
to assume I have all the answers ;-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
Edited to say rarely gets viruses

Made less fanboy'ey !!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
 Linux runs the entire internet should be Linux runs about half of the
 internet as about 50% of websites are hosted on linux.


I know it's probably misstating the fact 'slightly' but I'm not just
on about hosting, I'm including bind, dns, dhcp etc etc ...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Darren.Mansell
I edited it say runs the majority of websites, which is true.

Anyway there was an edit conflict so I saved it with the highlighted
conflicts. You can have a look at delete whatever you don't like.

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Sent: 23 July 2007 15:09
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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

 Linux runs the entire internet should be Linux runs about half of
the
 internet as about 50% of websites are hosted on linux.


I know it's probably misstating the fact 'slightly' but I'm not just
on about hosting, I'm including bind, dns, dhcp etc etc ...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
 Anyway there was an edit conflict so I saved it with the highlighted
 conflicts. You can have a look at delete whatever you don't like.



Whilst I do like the edits, I worry that they make the article seem a
little more caustic and technical. The audience I had in mind when
writing the article was older folk with little IT experience. Have I
been dumbing them down too much do you think?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Darren.Mansell
No not at all, I agree with you. I would like to see the part about
rarely crashing staying out though. I've never had it crash through
something that wasn't my own doing ;)


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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

 Anyway there was an edit conflict so I saved it with the highlighted
 conflicts. You can have a look at delete whatever you don't like.



Whilst I do like the edits, I worry that they make the article seem a
little more caustic and technical. The audience I had in mind when
writing the article was older folk with little IT experience. Have I
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread alan c
Alec Wright wrote:
 Pretty good, but:
 Ubuntu doesn't get viruses should be Ubuntu rarely gets viruses.

I appreciate your point. However, as of recently, are there *any* 
reports of ubuntu suffering from viruses?
To 'rarely' get a virus supposes that a virus has actually been 'got'.

With 60,000 viruses in the wild I still think that 'ubuntu does not 
get viruses' is a very fair thing to state. It would be an interesting 
local letter reply if any reader has experienced one. It might make 
more than local news?

I have come to believe that what readers expect is interesting 
informative items, not necessarily a theoretical truth.

A leaflet that I offer by hand says that linux does 'not get viruses'. 
I am not persuaded that there is an advantage to change this wording.

I am told that it is easy to write a virus for linux, and also that 
there are websites explaining how. The reason why, for example, I, 
have not been infected is that it is very difficult to spread them. 
Linux is infertile ground.

Note: To 99.999% of readers, a virus is a virus. That they are 
'Windows viruses' goes without being said.

With a *Marketing* activity in mind, we have a message to get across. 
It is not the job of *marketing* to undersell our product. It is the 
job of marketing to get the product noticed and used, not to point out 
possible future shortcomings. No reservations. What does our 
competitor do and say?

This is a Marketing point, not a study paper.



 You should point out that antivirus  firewalls slow down your computer.
 Linux runs the entire internet should be Linux runs about half of the
 internet as about 50% of websites are hosted on linux.
 Also, you should recommend that people download CDs if they have fast
 internet, rather than getting them off of shipit, but still state that
 shipit is an option if you have slow/no internet.
 On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 13:57 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
 As promised, I've had a bash at writing something which would be
 suitable for inclusion in a local magazine.  As always please correct,
 suggest and improve :-)
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArticleForLocalMagazine
 
 Cheers
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
 No not at all, I agree with you. I would like to see the part about
 rarely crashing staying out though. I've never had it crash through
 something that wasn't my own doing ;)


I've merged the conflicts and reworded slightly - what'da ya think?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Jones
Hi

alan c wrote:
 To 'rarely' get a virus supposes that a virus has actually been 'got'.

But then doesn't get implies it's somehow impossible, which it isn't.

I would maybe say something like Ubuntu inherits over 3 decades of
secure design, making infection by viruses or spyware exceedingly
difficult (to date there are no known cases).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread alan c
Chris Rowson wrote:
 Anyway there was an edit conflict so I saved it with the highlighted
 conflicts. You can have a look at delete whatever you don't like.

 
 
 Whilst I do like the edits, I worry that they make the article seem a
 little more caustic and technical. The audience I had in mind when
 writing the article was older folk with little IT experience. Have I
 been dumbing them down too much do you think?
 
 Chris

This a non specialist marketing list and discussion is getting 
diffused and distracted from the main event of marketing.
Sincere and genuine opinions are being exchanged in a technical 
context and I continue to believe that this context is not the best 
for marketing discussions.

I think that a separate list for uk marketing would bring benefits in 
ideas, and energy. This would not prevent ideas being fielded and 
would not be a closed list. However a marketing mind-set is a world 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
 But then doesn't get implies it's somehow impossible, which it isn't.

 I would maybe say something like Ubuntu inherits over 3 decades of
 secure design, making infection by viruses or spyware exceedingly
 difficult (to date there are no known cases).


Currently reads

Ubuntu stands up very well against online security threats. Because of
the way it is built, it is exceptionally resilient against viruses.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Darren.Mansell

Reads very nicely to me now. I also agree with the other point that we
are quite within our rights to push the boat back out a bit more WRT
virii.

I'll leave that up to you. :)

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 No not at all, I agree with you. I would like to see the part about
 rarely crashing staying out though. I've never had it crash through
 something that wasn't my own doing ;)


I've merged the conflicts and reworded slightly - what'da ya think?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Jones
Hi

Chris Rowson wrote:
 Ubuntu stands up very well against online security threats. Because of
 the way it is built, it is exceptionally resilient against viruses.

If I was feeling particularly pedantic I'd object to exceptionally
(because there are lots of UNIXy things, so maybe exceedingly), but
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
Can I just remind people that there is a launchpad group set up for
ubuntu-uk marketing activities. I try to keep it up to date:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-uk-marketing

It's worth joining the group as then you'll get notified whenever
there are new projects, updates etc etc.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread alan c
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 Reads very nicely to me now. I also agree with the other point that
 we are quite within our rights to push the boat back out a bit more
 WRT virii.

I heartily agree. When the competition has a poor product fro years,
but good marketing, it is certainly the time to use marketing
techniques. Surely that is what marketing actually *is*?

The Ubuntu Shipit pack says:
'..is easy to install, free of viruses, and perfect for laptops,
desktops and servers.'
Just 14 words. Impact. Clarity. Marketing.

Can we please get some push into UK marketing without hints of
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Darren.Mansell
Fair enough. It's a difficult balance between factually correct and
marketing.

I left it as viruses because I thought virii may be too confusing for
the uninitiated? I'm impressed by the leaflet by the way.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan c
Sent: 23 July 2007 17:10
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Reads very nicely to me now. I also agree with the other point that
 we are quite within our rights to push the boat back out a bit more
 WRT virii.

I heartily agree. When the competition has a poor product fro years,
but good marketing, it is certainly the time to use marketing
techniques. Surely that is what marketing actually *is*?

The Ubuntu Shipit pack says:
'..is easy to install, free of viruses, and perfect for laptops,
desktops and servers.'
Just 14 words. Impact. Clarity. Marketing.

Can we please get some push into UK marketing without hints of
reservation or apology?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Article for local mag

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Rowson
I've just read through the article outloud (I often find it helps to
pick out small errors in readability) and edited a word here and
there.

I think that it reads OK to me now.

I might run with it unless anyone else has anything to add

Chris

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