Re: [ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Dave Morley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 17:21 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: > > Matthew Wild wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Chris Rowson > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi there, > > >> > > >> My little boy likes playing various flash based games from children's > > >> websites. I find that in Ubuntu, many of these run pretty badly and as > > >> this is all he uses my old laptop for, I decided to put Windows XP > > >> back onto it to see the if it would make any difference for him. > > >> > > >> I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5, Flash and a Java runtime > > >> environment and seen how it runs. > > >> > > >> Strangely Firefox runs about twice as fast under Win XP than on Hardy > > >> (although Hardy is on a laptop which is twice as powerful). Rendering > > >> and application response are greatly improved under Windows and Flash > > >> content flys. > > >> > > >> I'm bamboozled to say the least! > > >> > > >> Are these particular applications created specifically for Windows > > >> then ported to Linux? It's wierd, I've tried this on different > > >> hardware and find it to be the case on the machines I've tested. > > >> > > >> I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why > > >> it would be so? > > >> > > >> > > > > > > If you are only talking about when flash pages are open, then yes, I > > > notice it too. My CPU is constantly at about 10%. > > > > > > This is to be expected, Flash is closed-source after all, and you are > > > trusting a company that probably doesn't see its Linux user-base as > > > significant as the Windows one. > > > > > > Can't wait for Gnash to become a real alternative, until then I use > > > Flash as little as possible :) > > > > > > Matthew. > > > > > > > > Yeah, I cant wait for gnash to gather speed... Im sick of having to > > force 32bit firefox, just so I can go on youtube! > > > You don't need to with hardy it installs npwrapper which allows 32bit > apps to run inside 64bit so flash and wine both work. > -- > Seek That Thy Might Know > It's always handy to have someone in the know =D -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
Oh yeah, found this on ubuntuforums "I fixed this problem by removing ia32-libs, flashplugin-nonfree and nspluginwrapper, then installing ia32-libs_2.1ubuntu3_amd64.deb from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/...e/i/ia32-libs/ (It is an older version than what installs in apt-get), then installing flashplugin-nonfree. Thanks." I followed it, and now it works =D On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Dave Morley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 17:21 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: > > Matthew Wild wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Chris Rowson > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi there, > > >> > > >> My little boy likes playing various flash based games from > children's > > >> websites. I find that in Ubuntu, many of these run pretty badly and > as > > >> this is all he uses my old laptop for, I decided to put Windows XP > > >> back onto it to see the if it would make any difference for him. > > >> > > >> I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5, Flash and a Java runtime > > >> environment and seen how it runs. > > >> > > >> Strangely Firefox runs about twice as fast under Win XP than on > Hardy > > >> (although Hardy is on a laptop which is twice as powerful). > Rendering > > >> and application response are greatly improved under Windows and > Flash > > >> content flys. > > >> > > >> I'm bamboozled to say the least! > > >> > > >> Are these particular applications created specifically for Windows > > >> then ported to Linux? It's wierd, I've tried this on different > > >> hardware and find it to be the case on the machines I've tested. > > >> > > >> I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why > > >> it would be so? > > >> > > >> > > > > > > If you are only talking about when flash pages are open, then yes, I > > > notice it too. My CPU is constantly at about 10%. > > > > > > This is to be expected, Flash is closed-source after all, and you are > > > trusting a company that probably doesn't see its Linux user-base as > > > significant as the Windows one. > > > > > > Can't wait for Gnash to become a real alternative, until then I use > > > Flash as little as possible :) > > > > > > Matthew. > > > > > > > > Yeah, I cant wait for gnash to gather speed... Im sick of having to > > force 32bit firefox, just so I can go on youtube! > > > You don't need to with hardy it installs npwrapper which allows 32bit > apps to run inside 64bit so flash and wine both work. > -- > Seek That Thy Might Know > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > -- Mr JE Grabham -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 17:21 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: > Matthew Wild wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Chris Rowson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Hi there, > >> > >> My little boy likes playing various flash based games from children's > >> websites. I find that in Ubuntu, many of these run pretty badly and as > >> this is all he uses my old laptop for, I decided to put Windows XP > >> back onto it to see the if it would make any difference for him. > >> > >> I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5, Flash and a Java runtime > >> environment and seen how it runs. > >> > >> Strangely Firefox runs about twice as fast under Win XP than on Hardy > >> (although Hardy is on a laptop which is twice as powerful). Rendering > >> and application response are greatly improved under Windows and Flash > >> content flys. > >> > >> I'm bamboozled to say the least! > >> > >> Are these particular applications created specifically for Windows > >> then ported to Linux? It's wierd, I've tried this on different > >> hardware and find it to be the case on the machines I've tested. > >> > >> I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why > >> it would be so? > >> > >> > > > > If you are only talking about when flash pages are open, then yes, I > > notice it too. My CPU is constantly at about 10%. > > > > This is to be expected, Flash is closed-source after all, and you are > > trusting a company that probably doesn't see its Linux user-base as > > significant as the Windows one. > > > > Can't wait for Gnash to become a real alternative, until then I use > > Flash as little as possible :) > > > > Matthew. > > > > > Yeah, I cant wait for gnash to gather speed... Im sick of having to > force 32bit firefox, just so I can go on youtube! > You don't need to with hardy it installs npwrapper which allows 32bit apps to run inside 64bit so flash and wine both work. -- Seek That Thy Might Know signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
Matthew Wild wrote: > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Chris Rowson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> My little boy likes playing various flash based games from children's >> websites. I find that in Ubuntu, many of these run pretty badly and as >> this is all he uses my old laptop for, I decided to put Windows XP >> back onto it to see the if it would make any difference for him. >> >> I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5, Flash and a Java runtime >> environment and seen how it runs. >> >> Strangely Firefox runs about twice as fast under Win XP than on Hardy >> (although Hardy is on a laptop which is twice as powerful). Rendering >> and application response are greatly improved under Windows and Flash >> content flys. >> >> I'm bamboozled to say the least! >> >> Are these particular applications created specifically for Windows >> then ported to Linux? It's wierd, I've tried this on different >> hardware and find it to be the case on the machines I've tested. >> >> I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why >> it would be so? >> >> > > If you are only talking about when flash pages are open, then yes, I > notice it too. My CPU is constantly at about 10%. > > This is to be expected, Flash is closed-source after all, and you are > trusting a company that probably doesn't see its Linux user-base as > significant as the Windows one. > > Can't wait for Gnash to become a real alternative, until then I use > Flash as little as possible :) > > Matthew. > > Yeah, I cant wait for gnash to gather speed... Im sick of having to force 32bit firefox, just so I can go on youtube! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
> > Hi there, > > > > My little boy likes playing various flash based games from children's > > websites. I find that in Ubuntu, many of these run pretty badly and as > > this is all he uses my old laptop for, I decided to put Windows XP > > back onto it to see the if it would make any difference for him. > > > > I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5, Flash and a Java runtime > > environment and seen how it runs. > > > > Strangely Firefox runs about twice as fast under Win XP than on Hardy > > (although Hardy is on a laptop which is twice as powerful). Rendering > > and application response are greatly improved under Windows and Flash > > content flys. > > > > I'm bamboozled to say the least! > > > > Are these particular applications created specifically for Windows > > then ported to Linux? It's wierd, I've tried this on different > > hardware and find it to be the case on the machines I've tested. > > > > I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why > > it would be so? > > > > If you are only talking about when flash pages are open, then yes, I > notice it too. My CPU is constantly at about 10%. > > This is to be expected, Flash is closed-source after all, and you are > trusting a company that probably doesn't see its Linux user-base as > significant as the Windows one. > > Can't wait for Gnash to become a real alternative, until then I use > Flash as little as possible :) > > Matthew. I suppose that may well be the case. I also see some level of slowness in sites like Gmail for instance (although I believe this is well documented). It probably is a case of most application developers develop for Windows and port to Linux when/if they can be bothered. I suppose until then I'll have to use Windows for people relying heavily on Flash/Web apps etc. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > My little boy likes playing various flash based games from children's > websites. I find that in Ubuntu, many of these run pretty badly and as > this is all he uses my old laptop for, I decided to put Windows XP > back onto it to see the if it would make any difference for him. > > I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5, Flash and a Java runtime > environment and seen how it runs. > > Strangely Firefox runs about twice as fast under Win XP than on Hardy > (although Hardy is on a laptop which is twice as powerful). Rendering > and application response are greatly improved under Windows and Flash > content flys. > > I'm bamboozled to say the least! > > Are these particular applications created specifically for Windows > then ported to Linux? It's wierd, I've tried this on different > hardware and find it to be the case on the machines I've tested. > > I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why > it would be so? > If you are only talking about when flash pages are open, then yes, I notice it too. My CPU is constantly at about 10%. This is to be expected, Flash is closed-source after all, and you are trusting a company that probably doesn't see its Linux user-base as significant as the Windows one. Can't wait for Gnash to become a real alternative, until then I use Flash as little as possible :) Matthew. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
> Chris Rowson wrote: > | I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why > | it would be so? > > > The only question which springs to my mind is whether you're using the > Mesa software graphics drivers or the binary drivers for your graphics card? > > I think that this should give you a clue about which driver you are > definitely using (without poking around in xorg.conf). > > $ glxinfo|grep vendor > server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation > client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation > OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation > > > Plus to test your opengl performance you can run the following - if it's > really jerky then that's probably due to your graphics card: > > $ glxgears > > I get between 1500 and 2500 FPS for reference. > > System->Administration->Restricted Drivers Manager is where I enabled my > binary Nvidia drivers - they aren't open source so Ubuntu disables them > by default. > > I'm not an expert so I'm sure you'll get better advice but hopefully > this will get you started. > > - -- > Stephen O'Neill Hi Stephen, This situation occurs on three computers I can think of, one running NVIDIA, one ATI and one an Intel graphics card. All running the binary drivers from the restricted drivers manager. I don't think this is a graphics problem to be honest... If anyone is interested in testing this. Take a dual-boot laptop/pc. Visit the cartoonito.co.uk website and try a few games using Firefox and the Flash plugin under Windows XP, then under Ubuntu. See what the responsiveness/smoothness of web browser operations, for example: * Type a url into the address bar in Firefox 3. The browser begins to scroll up previously accessed sites as suggestions. Note the performance under both OS's. * Try some of the Flash games mentioned under both OS's. Note the performance of animations etc. I'm sure it's not me going mad! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Rowson wrote: | I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why | it would be so? The only question which springs to my mind is whether you're using the Mesa software graphics drivers or the binary drivers for your graphics card? I think that this should give you a clue about which driver you are definitely using (without poking around in xorg.conf). $ glxinfo|grep vendor server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation Plus to test your opengl performance you can run the following - if it's really jerky then that's probably due to your graphics card: $ glxgears I get between 1500 and 2500 FPS for reference. System->Administration->Restricted Drivers Manager is where I enabled my binary Nvidia drivers - they aren't open source so Ubuntu disables them by default. I'm not an expert so I'm sure you'll get better advice but hopefully this will get you started. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH+HMAJ+Auntu1v4QRArCMAJ0f2s1dFfORIFVTC4OJlU8efjc1sgCgiUwx 0n5LVfxYHJi9EmGJeS1ZzJ0= =vV/l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Application responsiveness, Windows and Ubuntu
Hi there, My little boy likes playing various flash based games from children's websites. I find that in Ubuntu, many of these run pretty badly and as this is all he uses my old laptop for, I decided to put Windows XP back onto it to see the if it would make any difference for him. I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5, Flash and a Java runtime environment and seen how it runs. Strangely Firefox runs about twice as fast under Win XP than on Hardy (although Hardy is on a laptop which is twice as powerful). Rendering and application response are greatly improved under Windows and Flash content flys. I'm bamboozled to say the least! Are these particular applications created specifically for Windows then ported to Linux? It's wierd, I've tried this on different hardware and find it to be the case on the machines I've tested. I wondered if anyone else has tried this out or have any reasons why it would be so? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
