Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-26 Thread Tony Pursell
Hi Andy

On 26 December 2011 14:26, Andy Whitcroft  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 06:50:03PM +, Tony Pursell wrote:
>
> > I do actually get a flashing icon in the panel on my Desktop PC when I
> have
> > messages.  It is the empathy icon (a sort of green square voice bubble)
> > that alternates with a sort of alert symbol.  To me it is a bit
> irritating
> > as I always get it when I start Empathy because I get messages from the
> > freenode NikServ to tell me that I am identified for my TonyP nickname.
>  I
> > have to click the icon, which brings up the chat window, to stop it
> > flashing.  Less irritating is when my brother messages me.
> >
> > Strangely, I don't get any of this on my EEEPC Netbook, but the mail icon
> > does turn blue.  Wish I knew why.  They both run 11.10 with same Empathy
> > version.
>
> Normally "meassaging" intergration and other notification support is
> provided by extensions/plugins which need to be installed and enabled to
> take effect.  I will guess that one of these was an upgrade from an older
> release and kept the older notification enabled, whereas the newer install
> got the defaults at the time.  One of those features of our upgrade path
> I personally find confusing for sure, I would like to see a popup to
> tell you you might want the new stuff or something on upgrade.
>
> I would seem to be quite the opposite.  The Desktop PC last had a
re-install for 10.04 and has had version upgrades since then to 11.10 and
that is the one that shows the new feature from the 11.10 upgrade.  The
EEEPC had 11.04 installed and was upgraded to 11.10.  There are other
detail difference between the two.

I'm not a fan of popups during the upgrade.  I like to set an upgrade
running and go off and have my tea, or something.  It's very irritating to
come back two hours later to find a popup waiting to be answered and the
upgrade only half done.

Tony
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-26 Thread Andy Whitcroft
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 06:50:03PM +, Tony Pursell wrote:

> I do actually get a flashing icon in the panel on my Desktop PC when I have
> messages.  It is the empathy icon (a sort of green square voice bubble)
> that alternates with a sort of alert symbol.  To me it is a bit irritating
> as I always get it when I start Empathy because I get messages from the
> freenode NikServ to tell me that I am identified for my TonyP nickname.  I
> have to click the icon, which brings up the chat window, to stop it
> flashing.  Less irritating is when my brother messages me.
> 
> Strangely, I don't get any of this on my EEEPC Netbook, but the mail icon
> does turn blue.  Wish I knew why.  They both run 11.10 with same Empathy
> version.

Normally "meassaging" intergration and other notification support is
provided by extensions/plugins which need to be installed and enabled to
take effect.  I will guess that one of these was an upgrade from an older
release and kept the older notification enabled, whereas the newer install
got the defaults at the time.  One of those features of our upgrade path
I personally find confusing for sure, I would like to see a popup to
tell you you might want the new stuff or something on upgrade.

-apw

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 20 December 2011 20:01, Andy Whitcroft  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 07:47:52PM +, Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> I'm puzzled. Unity does this already. The notifications are
>> translucent boxes at top right of the screen. The daemon is called
>> ayatana-notify, IIRC.
>
> But they are non-interactible (by design).  So you cannot click them to
> get to the reply form for instance.

OIC! Yes, true.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-21 Thread Tony Pursell
Hi Matt

On 21 December 2011 08:22, Matthew Daubney  wrote:

> On 21 December 2011 00:09, Avi Greenbury  wrote:
> > Liam Proven wrote:
> >
> >> > The main think I like is the notification system. When logged in
> >> > with Empathy, if I receive a message a small notification appears
> >> > at the bottom of the screen with the message, which I can then
> >> > click to reply straight away or ignore and allow it to disappear
> >> > like a normal notification.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone know of any way to get this sort of feature or anything
> >> > similar?
> >>
> >> I'm puzzled. Unity does this already. The notifications are
> >> translucent boxes at top right of the screen. The daemon is called
> >> ayatana-notify, IIRC.
> >>
> >
> > No it doesn't. Empathy in Unity presents that pop-up at the top, in
> > response to which you need to hunt down the appropriate Empathy window
> > and type into it. Any attempt to interact with the notification causes
> > it to become invisible.
>
> Let me know if I'm wrong (which is possible as I don't use empathy
> anymore) but do you not get a thing in the messaging menu that you can
> click on to bring the message to the front? That's how it works with
> email. I know it's not as convenient as clicking the notification, but
> it's not much slower (the icon should be just above the notification).
>

I do actually get a flashing icon in the panel on my Desktop PC when I have
messages.  It is the empathy icon (a sort of green square voice bubble)
that alternates with a sort of alert symbol.  To me it is a bit irritating
as I always get it when I start Empathy because I get messages from the
freenode NikServ to tell me that I am identified for my TonyP nickname.  I
have to click the icon, which brings up the chat window, to stop it
flashing.  Less irritating is when my brother messages me.

Strangely, I don't get any of this on my EEEPC Netbook, but the mail icon
does turn blue.  Wish I knew why.  They both run 11.10 with same Empathy
version.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-21 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 21 December 2011 00:09, Avi Greenbury  wrote:
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> > The main think I like is the notification system. When logged in
>> > with Empathy, if I receive a message a small notification appears
>> > at the bottom of the screen with the message, which I can then
>> > click to reply straight away or ignore and allow it to disappear
>> > like a normal notification.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know of any way to get this sort of feature or anything
>> > similar?
>>
>> I'm puzzled. Unity does this already. The notifications are
>> translucent boxes at top right of the screen. The daemon is called
>> ayatana-notify, IIRC.
>>
>
> No it doesn't. Empathy in Unity presents that pop-up at the top, in
> response to which you need to hunt down the appropriate Empathy window
> and type into it. Any attempt to interact with the notification causes
> it to become invisible.

Let me know if I'm wrong (which is possible as I don't use empathy
anymore) but do you not get a thing in the messaging menu that you can
click on to bring the message to the front? That's how it works with
email. I know it's not as convenient as clicking the notification, but
it's not much slower (the icon should be just above the notification).

-Matt Daubney

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-20 Thread Avi Greenbury
Liam Proven wrote:

> > The main think I like is the notification system. When logged in
> > with Empathy, if I receive a message a small notification appears
> > at the bottom of the screen with the message, which I can then
> > click to reply straight away or ignore and allow it to disappear
> > like a normal notification.
> >
> > Does anyone know of any way to get this sort of feature or anything
> > similar?
> 
> I'm puzzled. Unity does this already. The notifications are
> translucent boxes at top right of the screen. The daemon is called
> ayatana-notify, IIRC.
> 

No it doesn't. Empathy in Unity presents that pop-up at the top, in
response to which you need to hunt down the appropriate Empathy window
and type into it. Any attempt to interact with the notification causes
it to become invisible.

Gnome shell presents a pop-up from the bottom which you can respond to
by clicking on and typing into. Alternatively, you can hunt down the
Empathy window and type there if you prefer.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-20 Thread Andy Whitcroft
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 07:47:52PM +, Liam Proven wrote:

> I'm puzzled. Unity does this already. The notifications are
> translucent boxes at top right of the screen. The daemon is called
> ayatana-notify, IIRC.

But they are non-interactible (by design).  So you cannot click them to
get to the reply form for instance.

-apw

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-20 Thread Liam Proven
On 19 December 2011 17:23, Joe Smith  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been using Ubuntu for a few years now, since Karmic, on several
> computers. These days I mainly use Ubuntu (Oneiric 11.10) on my desktop and
> Xubuntu (Oneiric 11.10) on my netbook.
> Recently, though, I've been experimenting with Gnome-Shell on Fedora and,
> although I still prefer Ubuntu, there a few features I really like in
> Gnome-Shell and I was wondering if there are any equivalent/similar features
> for Ubuntu (Unity/XFCE mainly as they're what I use)
>
> The main think I like is the notification system. When logged in with
> Empathy, if I receive a message a small notification appears at the bottom
> of the screen with the message, which I can then click to reply straight
> away or ignore and allow it to disappear like a normal notification.
>
> Does anyone know of any way to get this sort of feature or anything similar?

I'm puzzled. Unity does this already. The notifications are
translucent boxes at top right of the screen. The daemon is called
ayatana-notify, IIRC.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-19 Thread paul sutton
On 19/12/11 17:23, Joe Smith wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been using Ubuntu for a few years now, since Karmic, on several
> computers. These days I mainly use Ubuntu (Oneiric 11.10) on my desktop and
> Xubuntu (Oneiric 11.10) on my netbook.
> Recently, though, I've been experimenting with Gnome-Shell on Fedora and,
> although I still prefer Ubuntu, there a few features I really like in
> Gnome-Shell and I was wondering if there are any equivalent/similar
> features for Ubuntu (Unity/XFCE mainly as they're what I use)
>
> The main think I like is the notification system. When logged in with
> Empathy, if I receive a message a small notification appears at the bottom
> of the screen with the message, which I can then click to reply straight
> away or ignore and allow it to disappear like a normal notification.
>
> Does anyone know of any way to get this sort of feature or anything similar?
>
> Joe
>

Hi

I would guess you would file this under brainstorm or perhaps check to
see if anyone else has requested something similar in which case add to
or support that idea.

Paul

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[ubuntu-uk] Attractive Features for Ubuntu

2011-12-19 Thread Joe Smith
Hi all,

I've been using Ubuntu for a few years now, since Karmic, on several
computers. These days I mainly use Ubuntu (Oneiric 11.10) on my desktop and
Xubuntu (Oneiric 11.10) on my netbook.
Recently, though, I've been experimenting with Gnome-Shell on Fedora and,
although I still prefer Ubuntu, there a few features I really like in
Gnome-Shell and I was wondering if there are any equivalent/similar
features for Ubuntu (Unity/XFCE mainly as they're what I use)

The main think I like is the notification system. When logged in with
Empathy, if I receive a message a small notification appears at the bottom
of the screen with the message, which I can then click to reply straight
away or ignore and allow it to disappear like a normal notification.

Does anyone know of any way to get this sort of feature or anything similar?

Joe
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