Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
On 2012-09-25 23:20, Alan Pope wrote: > On 25/09/12 16:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: >> Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire >> words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in >> capitalisation. >> > > Is there a bug filed about these issues you outlined? If not, could you > please file one/some so we can track these issues? There is now, Alan. https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1056743 I didn't know what project was responsible for this behaviour until posting it here. Thanks, everybody. Regards, Tyler -- "Complaining about ionizing radiation on your way to a plane flight is like complaining about a TSA pat-down on your way to Caligula's palace." -- Soren Ragsdale -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
On 25/09/12 16:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in capitalisation. Is there a bug filed about these issues you outlined? If not, could you please file one/some so we can track these issues? Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
Tyler J. Wagner wrote: > Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire > words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in > capitalisation. > > For instance, I have Handbrake installed. The desktop file gives a > description of "HandBrake". The capital letter B is significant. If I > search for "hand" or "brake", it appears. If I search for "Handbrake", > "handb", or anything that crosses the capital B, the search fails. > > Further, if I search for "and", it doesn't find HandBrake at all. Searches > must begin at the start of a word. This *really* needs to be fixed. This is roughly how I'd expect it to work, I must admit - I'd certainly think of that as a difference in preference rather than 'broken'; I don't know the last time I searched for something and the first thing that came to mind was the middle of the word. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
On 25/09/12 17:56, Alan Bell wrote: > On 25/09/12 16:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: >> Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire >> words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in >> capitalisation. >> >> For instance, I have Handbrake installed. > what is that then? trying to reproduce your issue but I can't find it, > what is the package name? Video transcoder: http://handbrake.fr/ I would have expected it to be in the repos as it's a well known app but it doesn't look like it is in universe. Apparently other people have had this problem because there's a question on the subject in AskUbuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/71128/how-do-i-install-handbrake Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
On 25/09/12 16:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in capitalisation. For instance, I have Handbrake installed. what is that then? trying to reproduce your issue but I can't find it, what is the package name? Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
Having said this, "handb" and "handbrake" should work. In which case, this sounds like a defect against unity-lens-applications should be raised. On 25/09/12 17:44, Alan Bell wrote: > lenses listen to the seach query, they get a callback when it changes. > They can then use what the user has typed in whatever way they want to > get results. This means that one could be doing a substring search, > others an exact match, others case insensitive etc. So if it isn't > doing a very good search this is a bug in the individual lens, not a > general thing across all of them. There is a tradeoff between > fuzzyness and accuracy. Personally I am pretty unimpressed with the > results of fuzzy searches (like the HUD does) because it produces > random unexpected results that kind of anticipate me failing to type > stuff correctly. If I typed "and" I would *not* expect something > starting with H to get in the way of what I was actually looking for, > if I wanted something starting with H I would have typed it. > > On 25/09/12 16:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: >> Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire >> words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in >> capitalisation. >> >> For instance, I have Handbrake installed. The desktop file gives a >> description of "HandBrake". The capital letter B is significant. If I >> search for "hand" or "brake", it appears. If I search for "Handbrake", >> "handb", or anything that crosses the capital B, the search fails. >> >> Further, if I search for "and", it doesn't find HandBrake at all. >> Searches >> must begin at the start of a word. This *really* needs to be fixed. >> >> The Mint menu doesn't have a problem with any of these. >> >> Regards, >> Tyler >> >> On 2012-09-25 15:26, Bill B. wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> I am curious as to why there is all this fuss about a >>> not-yet-fully-released dash and how it has distracted all attention >>> away >>> from the dash's real problems. >>> >>> As an example I would cite the failure of the apps lens to properly >>> show >>> required applications... I run 12.4.1 fully updated and have a few [12] >>> games installed on my netbook for when I'm away and bored. I know I >>> have 12 games installed but have yet to find a search to display >>> them as >>> a result. e.g "games" displays 1, "game" displays 6... perhaps for the >>> whole selection I should type "oi! get it right"! >>> >>> Good move, you clever Canonocallies... nothing like a bit of fog to >>> cover up in true American presidential election stylie ;) >>> > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
lenses listen to the seach query, they get a callback when it changes. They can then use what the user has typed in whatever way they want to get results. This means that one could be doing a substring search, others an exact match, others case insensitive etc. So if it isn't doing a very good search this is a bug in the individual lens, not a general thing across all of them. There is a tradeoff between fuzzyness and accuracy. Personally I am pretty unimpressed with the results of fuzzy searches (like the HUD does) because it produces random unexpected results that kind of anticipate me failing to type stuff correctly. If I typed "and" I would *not* expect something starting with H to get in the way of what I was actually looking for, if I wanted something starting with H I would have typed it. On 25/09/12 16:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in capitalisation. For instance, I have Handbrake installed. The desktop file gives a description of "HandBrake". The capital letter B is significant. If I search for "hand" or "brake", it appears. If I search for "Handbrake", "handb", or anything that crosses the capital B, the search fails. Further, if I search for "and", it doesn't find HandBrake at all. Searches must begin at the start of a word. This *really* needs to be fixed. The Mint menu doesn't have a problem with any of these. Regards, Tyler On 2012-09-25 15:26, Bill B. wrote: Hi folks, I am curious as to why there is all this fuss about a not-yet-fully-released dash and how it has distracted all attention away from the dash's real problems. As an example I would cite the failure of the apps lens to properly show required applications... I run 12.4.1 fully updated and have a few [12] games installed on my netbook for when I'm away and bored. I know I have 12 games installed but have yet to find a search to display them as a result. e.g "games" displays 1, "game" displays 6... perhaps for the whole selection I should type "oi! get it right"! Good move, you clever Canonocallies... nothing like a bit of fog to cover up in true American presidential election stylie ;) -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in capitalisation. For instance, I have Handbrake installed. The desktop file gives a description of "HandBrake". The capital letter B is significant. If I search for "hand" or "brake", it appears. If I search for "Handbrake", "handb", or anything that crosses the capital B, the search fails. Further, if I search for "and", it doesn't find HandBrake at all. Searches must begin at the start of a word. This *really* needs to be fixed. The Mint menu doesn't have a problem with any of these. Regards, Tyler On 2012-09-25 15:26, Bill B. wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am curious as to why there is all this fuss about a > not-yet-fully-released dash and how it has distracted all attention away > from the dash's real problems. > > As an example I would cite the failure of the apps lens to properly show > required applications... I run 12.4.1 fully updated and have a few [12] > games installed on my netbook for when I'm away and bored. I know I > have 12 games installed but have yet to find a search to display them as > a result. e.g "games" displays 1, "game" displays 6... perhaps for the > whole selection I should type "oi! get it right"! > > Good move, you clever Canonocallies... nothing like a bit of fog to > cover up in true American presidential election stylie ;) > -- "[...] the effectiveness of pat-downs does not matter very much, because the obvious goal of the TSA is to make the pat-down embarrassing enough for the average passenger that the vast majority of people will choose high-tech humiliation over the low-tech ball check." -- Jeffrey Goldberg, "For the First Time, the TSA Meets Resistance" The Atlantic, 2010-10-29 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
