Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 21:42 +0100, Freddie Ruddick wrote: Nothing particularly new, but I notice the BBC have covered it. [0]. Freddie :) [0]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6506027.stm I read this, too. I didn't take part in the survey, but I have nagged Dell quite a lot in the past. Whenever people ask me to get them a PC, I choose Dell (for laptops, Thinkpads are good, but over-priced, IMHO), and offer to install Linux on it (when you've just spent a small fortune on a machine, you don't want to be breaking the bank on software). I've never had a response from Dell, but I think they've been pretty savvy here. -- Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
Nothing particularly new, but I notice the BBC have covered it. [0]. Freddie :) [0]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6506027.stm -- Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: On 14/03/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/03/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let Dell know what you want and how you want it! http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp -- Done - seen it on digg and someone raised a point - we just have to hope this isn't simply a ploy for getting better deals with microsoft Even if it is, it eats into Microsoft profits. I read that ms run the business with sufficient reserves to continue even if they had no income at all for a period of two years. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 15.03.2007 at 09:29 +, alan c wrote: Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: On 14/03/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/03/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let Dell know what you want and how you want it! http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp -- Done - seen it on digg and someone raised a point - we just have to hope this isn't simply a ploy for getting better deals with microsoft Even if it is, it eats into Microsoft profits. I read that ms run the business with sufficient reserves to continue even if they had no income at all for a period of two years. This gives an interesting slant on this that I had not considered before: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/14/1417245 One of the points made is that, under a Windows pre-install, various companies pay to have other software included (trial versions of Norton AV and so on) that have a net effect of subsidising the cost of the PC. One claim is that this is enough to counter-act the cost of the Windows OEM licence and, as a result, a Linux PC (or a no OS at all PC) will as a result be more expensive than a Windows PC. So, in hardware cost terms, it may still really be cheaper for customers who ultimately want Linux to just buy the Windows PC and then wipe off Windows, together with all the other trial software that includes. Interesting. Dave. - -- Dave Ewart - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - freenode: davee All email from me is now digitally signed, key from http://www.sungate.co.uk/ Fingerprint: AEC5 9360 0A35 7F66 66E9 82E4 9E10 6769 CD28 DA92 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF+R0onhBnac0o2pIRAoY1AJ4733QBukmMj9Pz3wfZHcwxrn/P5gCgveAJ LEay24+eDNgiCNQwKvpIUuM= =64DK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 10:17 +, Dave Ewart wrote: snip One of the points made is that, under a Windows pre-install, various companies pay to have other software included (trial versions of Norton AV and so on) that have a net effect of subsidising the cost of the PC. One claim is that this is enough to counter-act the cost of the Windows OEM licence and, as a result, a Linux PC (or a no OS at all PC) will as a result be more expensive than a Windows PC. So, in hardware cost terms, it may still really be cheaper for customers who ultimately want Linux to just buy the Windows PC and then wipe off Windows, together with all the other trial software that includes. /snip You have to ask why do these software companies want to do this. If machines were shipped with linux as an option their prospective target audience would dwindle. How long would it be before these companies got wise an started releasing their software for linux too. Just to claw back their target audience. This has the benefit of 1) forcing software vendors to look at support linux and 2) bringing down the cost of hardware just as it does with pre-installed windows. Did I hear someone say chicken or the egg? which came first? -- Kind regards Alistair Crust Systems Administrator Skegness Grammar School Vernon Road Skegness PE25 2QS TEL: 01754 61 (ext'852) FAX: 01754 896875 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
On Thursday, 15.03.2007 at 10:32 +, Alistair Crust wrote: On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 10:17 +, Dave Ewart wrote: snip One of the points made is that, under a Windows pre-install, various companies pay to have other software included (trial versions of Norton AV and so on) that have a net effect of subsidising the cost of the PC. One claim is that this is enough to counter-act the cost of the Windows OEM licence and, as a result, a Linux PC (or a no OS at all PC) will as a result be more expensive than a Windows PC. So, in hardware cost terms, it may still really be cheaper for customers who ultimately want Linux to just buy the Windows PC and then wipe off Windows, together with all the other trial software that includes. /snip You have to ask why do these software companies want to do this. If machines were shipped with linux as an option their prospective target audience would dwindle. How long would it be before these companies got wise an started releasing their software for linux too. Just to claw back their target audience. This has the benefit of 1) forcing software vendors to look at support linux and 2) bringing down the cost of hardware just as it does with pre-installed windows. Did I hear someone say chicken or the egg? which came first? Hmmm. Right now, though, even if I was buying a 'Linux desktop', I would be extremely likely to re-install the OS; partly paranoid, partly just to get it the way I like it. Any third-party apps would be lost via this route. Linux desktops/laptops are still, generally, for Linux enthusiasts and, although the number of normal users (!) using a Linux desktop/laptop may be increasing, they are still the minority. Server-side, things are a little different. I would like formal Debian support for servers, for example, but I probably wouldn't want the OS pre-installed there either... Dave. -- Dave Ewart - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - freenode: davee All email from me is now digitally signed, key from http://www.sungate.co.uk/ Fingerprint: AEC5 9360 0A35 7F66 66E9 82E4 9E10 6769 CD28 DA92 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
Dave Ewart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 15.03.2007 at 09:29 +, alan c wrote: Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: On 14/03/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/03/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let Dell know what you want and how you want it! http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp -- Done - seen it on digg and someone raised a point - we just have to hope this isn't simply a ploy for getting better deals with microsoft Even if it is, it eats into Microsoft profits. I read that ms run the business with sufficient reserves to continue even if they had no income at all for a period of two years. This gives an interesting slant on this that I had not considered before: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/14/1417245 One of the points made is that, under a Windows pre-install, various companies pay to have other software included (trial versions of Norton AV and so on) that have a net effect of subsidising the cost of the PC. One claim is that this is enough to counter-act the cost of the Windows OEM licence and, as a result, a Linux PC (or a no OS at all PC) will as a result be more expensive than a Windows PC. So, in hardware cost terms, it may still really be cheaper for customers who ultimately want Linux to just buy the Windows PC and then wipe off Windows, together with all the other trial software that includes. Yes, and this is the reason why I have generally made the point that it is compatible hardware - with linux friendly drivers - that is important, not so much the pre installation, or the support or lack of it from the vendor etc. (Although if pre installation did happen it is better in many ways) -- Kubuntu user#10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 01:56 +, alan c wrote: Let Dell know what you want and how you want it! http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Done :D -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
Let Dell know what you want and how you want it! http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)
On 14/03/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let Dell know what you want and how you want it! http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Done :-) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
