Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
Hello all, just saw this thread and I felt there are some clarification needed. On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 07:43 +0100, Cornelius Mostert wrote: > Hi all. > > Just to let you know I am FED-UP with VMWare - Server!! > I have been wrestling with it on Ubuntu and other distros for TO > long now!! > The latest is just the final straw!! > I have redone my PC to have 10.4 on and loaded VMServer on (with all > the patches!! I found on the internte to get it installed), but then > the Console could not be used to open VMs and had to use RDC / VNC > etc. Ubuntu 10.04 isn't supported at all. [1] page 26 > I have followed numerous "fixes" but none seem to work: > Downgrade Firefox from 3.6.xx to 3.5.xx did not work > Extracting and installing the remote console separately did not work > ETC. > And then with every new version of FF or Linux kernals / headers you > have to hope and pray all will reconfigure!!! Be reasonable. How shall that work, if you are using a host OS which isn't supported at all? That means nobody tested it. > > Now I am switching to VirtualBox! Hopefully this will provide a > solution, I am a GUI person so KVM is still a bit too much for me if > you have to every time make use of a CLI, I guess there are GUIs for > it but VirtualBox seems to be easy enough to not take too much time of > my daily routine. I used VirtualBox in the past but switched back to VMware Workstation, because it's has a much better performance, much more reliable and much more features, which really working. I work the whole day with VMs - at least 4 in parallel or in other words I virtualized my whole desktop. I used Ubuntu 9.10, then 10.04 and un- fortunately in the moment W7, because of the support contract, but will change in the next months. So my recommendation would be for professional use VMware Workstation and for non-professional use VirtualBox, if one wants a easy to use environment. > > The big box still run ESXi though... Good choice - ESXi 4.1 has a even better performance and reliability. Regards, Wolf [1] http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vmserver2.pdf signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
> > I've never been able to get ESXi running, I think it's the hardware I > have which just isn't supported (and I haven't got a NAS). > > Rob > Jip it is based on VT enabled hardware!, I found it easy to install, run and manage. But then I had the virtual hardware settings for it, Make sure in your BIOS that it is turned on and supported. -- _ Cornelius Mostert Senior IT Specialist United Kingdom: 075 2233 4818 International: 0044 75 2233 4818 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
On Friday 27 Aug 2010 15:41:23 Jim Price wrote: > I've been using Virtualbox since Hardy came out, as it is pretty slick > and mostly pain free, but I took another look at qemu-kvm after the > recent announcement from Oracle, and armed with a little foreknowledge, > I feel happy I could switch to kvm without losing very much, if > anything. There is a gui for creating and managing VMs (virt-manager), > and I tend to want to know how to do everything I do in Virtualbox from > the command line anyway so it can be automated if necessary. I thought > it was going to be a big job to get it working, but all I had to do in > Lucid was install a few packages, add a few lines to the network config > and remove Virtualbox. I run Virtualbox on the desktop, and manage three KVM servers running 19 VMs. I've been doing this since Hardy. If you want an easy solution for virtual machines on a desktop, especially VMs with a GUI, use Virtualbox. If you want a headless solution, KVM is fine. But it is NOT as easy to use as Virtualbox, nor does its GUI work as well. There is no fair comparison between virt- manager and the Virtualbox GUI. Regards, Tyler -- "A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love", by Robert A. Heinlein -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
On 27/08/10 07:43, Cornelius Mostert wrote: > Hi all. > > Just to let you know I am FED-UP with VMWare - Server!! > I have been wrestling with it on Ubuntu and other distros for TO long > now!! > The latest is just the final straw!! > I have redone my PC to have 10.4 on and loaded VMServer on (with all the > patches!! I found on the internte to get it installed), but then the Console > could not be used to open VMs and had to use RDC / VNC etc. > I have followed numerous "fixes" but none seem to work: > Downgrade Firefox from 3.6.xx to 3.5.xx did not work > Extracting and installing the remote console separately did not work > ETC. > And then with every new version of FF or Linux kernals / headers you have to > hope and pray all will reconfigure!!! > > Now I am switching to VirtualBox! Hopefully this will provide a solution, I > am a GUI person so KVM is still a bit too much for me if you have to every > time make use of a CLI, I guess there are GUIs for it but VirtualBox seems > to be easy enough to not take too much time of my daily routine. > > The big box still run ESXi though... I've been using Virtualbox since Hardy came out, as it is pretty slick and mostly pain free, but I took another look at qemu-kvm after the recent announcement from Oracle, and armed with a little foreknowledge, I feel happy I could switch to kvm without losing very much, if anything. There is a gui for creating and managing VMs (virt-manager), and I tend to want to know how to do everything I do in Virtualbox from the command line anyway so it can be automated if necessary. I thought it was going to be a big job to get it working, but all I had to do in Lucid was install a few packages, add a few lines to the network config and remove Virtualbox. -- JimP -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
On Friday 27 Aug 2010 14:56:10 Rob Beard wrote: > Um... why do you need to do anything with Firefox? VMWare Server 2 uses a web-based admin panel. VNC inside the browser requires a Firefox plugin, which works on i386 and amd64. Regards, Tyler -- "Do the right thing even if it means dying like a dog when no one's there to see you do it." -- Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
On 27/08/10 07:43, Cornelius Mostert wrote: > Hi all. > > Just to let you know I am FED-UP with VMWare - Server!! > I have been wrestling with it on Ubuntu and other distros for TO > long now!! > The latest is just the final straw!! > I have redone my PC to have 10.4 on and loaded VMServer on (with all the > patches!! I found on the internte to get it installed), but then the > Console could not be used to open VMs and had to use RDC / VNC etc. > I have followed numerous "fixes" but none seem to work: > Downgrade Firefox from 3.6.xx to 3.5.xx did not work > Extracting and installing the remote console separately did not work > ETC. > And then with every new version of FF or Linux kernals / headers you > have to hope and pray all will reconfigure!!! Um... why do you need to do anything with Firefox? Last time I looked at VMWare Server on Ubuntu 10.04 (shortly after 10.04 was released) I couldn't get it working, either VMWare Server 1 or VMWare Server 2. In the end I replaced Ubuntu with 8.04 and VMWare Server 1.0 which works great. I keep meaning to look at it again to see if any fixes have been released. > Now I am switching to VirtualBox! Hopefully this will provide a > solution, I am a GUI person so KVM is still a bit too much for me if you > have to every time make use of a CLI, I guess there are GUIs for it but > VirtualBox seems to be easy enough to not take too much time of my daily > routine. Hmmm... I run VirtualBox on my laptop (running 10.04 32-Bit) although it seems to me that VMWare offers better performance/stability although VirtualBox does the job for the odd bit of virtualisation I do on my machine. Eventually when I get a machine that supports Intel VT-x or AMD-V I'll look at KVM. > > The big box still run ESXi though... > I've never been able to get ESXi running, I think it's the hardware I have which just isn't supported (and I haven't got a NAS). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
I stopped using VMware a while back and have been using VirtualBox since then, with many distros installed as virtual machines. It's great. VirtualBox originally was not as good as VMware but it has improved so much as to be a real mainstream product. And it can work with vmware files too. Good luck with VirtualBox. You can also download virtualbox VDI disk images of linux distros from sites like http://virtualboxes.org and http://virtualboximages.com David King Cornelius Mostert wrote: > Hi all. > > Just to let you know I am FED-UP with VMWare - Server!! > I have been wrestling with it on Ubuntu and other distros for TO > long now!! > The latest is just the final straw!! > I have redone my PC to have 10.4 on and loaded VMServer on (with all > the patches!! I found on the internte to get it installed), but then > the Console could not be used to open VMs and had to use RDC / VNC etc. > I have followed numerous "fixes" but none seem to work: > Downgrade Firefox from 3.6.xx to 3.5.xx did not work > Extracting and installing the remote console separately did not work > ETC. > And then with every new version of FF or Linux kernals / headers you > have to hope and pray all will reconfigure!!! > > Now I am switching to VirtualBox! Hopefully this will provide a > solution, I am a GUI person so KVM is still a bit too much for me if > you have to every time make use of a CLI, I guess there are GUIs for > it but VirtualBox seems to be easy enough to not take too much time of > my daily routine. > > The big box still run ESXi though... > > -- > _ > Cornelius Mostert > Senior IT Specialist > United Kingdom: 075 2233 4818 > International: 0044 75 2233 4818 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
have you herd about the new M$ virtualisation system On 27 August 2010 09:23, Kris Douglas wrote: > VMWare is a bit of a pain. We use xenserver at work, it is the dog's > danglies for what we need. I use VirtualBox on my work desktop tor testing > stuff though, its nice. > > Sent from my Android powered HTC Hero. > > On 27 Aug 2010 07:44, "Cornelius Mostert" > wrote: > > Hi all. > > Just to let you know I am FED-UP with VMWare - Server!! > I have been wrestling with it on Ubuntu and other distros for TO long > now!! > The latest is just the final straw!! > I have redone my PC to have 10.4 on and loaded VMServer on (with all the > patches!! I found on the internte to get it installed), but then the Console > could not be used to open VMs and had to use RDC / VNC etc. > I have followed numerous "fixes" but none seem to work: > Downgrade Firefox from 3.6.xx to 3.5.xx did not work > Extracting and installing the remote console separately did not work > ETC. > And then with every new version of FF or Linux kernals / headers you have > to hope and pray all will reconfigure!!! > > Now I am switching to VirtualBox! Hopefully this will provide a solution, I > am a GUI person so KVM is still a bit too much for me if you have to every > time make use of a CLI, I guess there are GUIs for it but VirtualBox seems > to be easy enough to not take too much time of my daily routine. > > The big box still run ESXi though... > > -- > _ > Cornelius Mostert > Senior IT Specialist > United Kingdom: 075 2233 4818 > International: 0044 75 2233 4818 > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
VMWare is a bit of a pain. We use xenserver at work, it is the dog's danglies for what we need. I use VirtualBox on my work desktop tor testing stuff though, its nice. Sent from my Android powered HTC Hero. On 27 Aug 2010 07:44, "Cornelius Mostert" wrote: Hi all. Just to let you know I am FED-UP with VMWare - Server!! I have been wrestling with it on Ubuntu and other distros for TO long now!! The latest is just the final straw!! I have redone my PC to have 10.4 on and loaded VMServer on (with all the patches!! I found on the internte to get it installed), but then the Console could not be used to open VMs and had to use RDC / VNC etc. I have followed numerous "fixes" but none seem to work: Downgrade Firefox from 3.6.xx to 3.5.xx did not work Extracting and installing the remote console separately did not work ETC. And then with every new version of FF or Linux kernals / headers you have to hope and pray all will reconfigure!!! Now I am switching to VirtualBox! Hopefully this will provide a solution, I am a GUI person so KVM is still a bit too much for me if you have to every time make use of a CLI, I guess there are GUIs for it but VirtualBox seems to be easy enough to not take too much time of my daily routine. The big box still run ESXi though... -- _ Cornelius Mostert Senior IT Specialist United Kingdom: 075 2233 4818 International: 0044 75 2233 4818 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Fed-up with VMWare!
Hi all. Just to let you know I am FED-UP with VMWare - Server!! I have been wrestling with it on Ubuntu and other distros for TO long now!! The latest is just the final straw!! I have redone my PC to have 10.4 on and loaded VMServer on (with all the patches!! I found on the internte to get it installed), but then the Console could not be used to open VMs and had to use RDC / VNC etc. I have followed numerous "fixes" but none seem to work: Downgrade Firefox from 3.6.xx to 3.5.xx did not work Extracting and installing the remote console separately did not work ETC. And then with every new version of FF or Linux kernals / headers you have to hope and pray all will reconfigure!!! Now I am switching to VirtualBox! Hopefully this will provide a solution, I am a GUI person so KVM is still a bit too much for me if you have to every time make use of a CLI, I guess there are GUIs for it but VirtualBox seems to be easy enough to not take too much time of my daily routine. The big box still run ESXi though... -- _ Cornelius Mostert Senior IT Specialist United Kingdom: 075 2233 4818 International: 0044 75 2233 4818 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
