Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-10 Thread John MM
I dont use gwibber or any of the other programs like that in Ubuntu, I go
back to windows, because I most people I know are on Yahoo, and I was never
able to work out how to connect the camera, so I could chat, which client
Ubuntu connects to things like msn and yahoo using the camera.
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[ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Juan J.
Hello,

I'm very frustrated with the Gwibber version included in Ubuntu 11.10.

It's not only that has more bugs than the version shipped in 11.04
(which had bugs, but it was easier to not step over them), but the UI
and the functionality have changed and now it's useless for me (I want
the tabs back!).

My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
replace it with a different client?

For example, http://www.hotot.org/ looks great; but I don't know if I
can get rid of Gwibber cleanly or if there will be some remains (I
don't use Thunderbird, but I couldn't get rid of it in the indicator).

Any comments will be welcome!

Regards,

Juan



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Bell

On 09/11/11 11:23, Juan J. Martínez wrote:

Hello,

I'm very frustrated with the Gwibber version included in Ubuntu 11.10.

It's not only that has more bugs than the version shipped in 11.04
(which had bugs, but it was easier to not step over them), but the UI
and the functionality have changed and now it's useless for me (I want
the tabs back!).
what are the bug numbers? Patches are welcome, bzr branch lp:gwibber and 
have a play with it.


My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
replace it with a different client?
you can certainly remove the gwibber accounts you have (or just leave 
them), and add a different client, but some other clients might not be 
as integrated.


For example, http://www.hotot.org/ looks great; but I don't know if I
can get rid of Gwibber cleanly or if there will be some remains (I
don't use Thunderbird, but I couldn't get rid of it in the indicator).
I really wouldn't bother getting rid of gwibber, doing that would 
probably remove the ubuntu-desktop package, which isn't ideal long term 
because it won't pull in any new packages on an upgrade without that.


Any comments will be welcome!

Regards,

Juan






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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
Juan J. Martínez wrote:

 My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
 replace it with a different client?

It depends on how you intend to replace it.

Generally, it's fine to just not configure (or deconfigure) it and use
something else. Many people have done this for years with Evolution, to
use some other mail client, and Empathy for a bit less to use Pidgin
instead.

You would lose the neater integration into the system that you'd get
with Gwibber, but you'd never normally get that with whichever
alternative you go for anyway - the alternative wont be hindered by
Gwibber's presence.


As for replacing Gwibber in the sense of removing the program and
putting something else in its place on-disk and in the notifiers and
the like, that's generally much less likely to work.


Have you filed/subscribed to relevant bugs for Gwibber?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pope

On 09/11/11 11:23, Juan J. Martínez wrote:

Hello,

I'm very frustrated with the Gwibber version included in Ubuntu 11.10.
The good news is that it's getting some love for 12.04. 12.04 is all 
about quality and stability. So gwibber should improve in this release.



My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
replace it with a different client?


You could try polly which is quite a nice client.

https://launchpad.net/polly

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Juan J.
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:38 +, Alan Bell wrote:
 On 09/11/11 11:23, Juan J. Martínez wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I'm very frustrated with the Gwibber version included in Ubuntu 11.10.
 
  It's not only that has more bugs than the version shipped in 11.04
  (which had bugs, but it was easier to not step over them), but the UI
  and the functionality have changed and now it's useless for me (I want
  the tabs back!).
 what are the bug numbers? Patches are welcome, bzr branch lp:gwibber and 
 have a play with it.

I wouldn't know where to start, it's a total mess :) It doesn't feel
like an upgrade but a downgrade (seriously, we are back to pre 1.0
functionality).

To be honest, I don't think Gwibber is worth the effort. That
application gets completely rebuilt every now and then, so any time
invested on it feels like wasted time to me. I can provide you bug
numbers for the 2.x series, that never got fixed because the application
was redesigned/rebuilt.

We had a mostly functional Twitter/Identica client before upgrading to
11.10, and now we don't. I don't choose the default applications that
get installed (even on upgrades) and I can live with that, but I'd love
that they work!

  My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
  replace it with a different client?
 you can certainly remove the gwibber accounts you have (or just leave 
 them), and add a different client, but some other clients might not be 
 as integrated.

It looks like the best solution: remove the accounts and set the gwibber
service to not start at login. Thanks for the tip!

Integration it's nice when you integrate something that actually
works :)

  For example, http://www.hotot.org/ looks great; but I don't know if I
  can get rid of Gwibber cleanly or if there will be some remains (I
  don't use Thunderbird, but I couldn't get rid of it in the indicator).
 I really wouldn't bother getting rid of gwibber, doing that would 
 probably remove the ubuntu-desktop package, which isn't ideal long term 
 because it won't pull in any new packages on an upgrade without that.

I see. And the same thing happens with Banshee and Thunderbid (I don't
use any of them and both got installed after the upgrade, not happy).

Again, thanks for the tip!

Regards,

Juan



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Lord (News)

On 09/11/11 11:23, Juan J. Martínez wrote:


For example, http://www.hotot.org/ looks great; but I don't know if I
can get rid of Gwibber cleanly or if there will be some remains (I
don't use Thunderbird, but I couldn't get rid of it in the indicator).


I've been using Hotot for ages now and I really like it as a Twitter 
client. It doesn't do much else though and, as you say, is not as well 
integrated. But for me on 10.10 Hotot is the best client I have used.


I'm sure that trying it out won't hurt. I doubt you will have to remove 
Gwibber for that; maybe just turn it off or something?


HTH

Al


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Juan J.
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:57 +, Alan Pope wrote:
 [...]
  My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
  replace it with a different client?
 
 You could try polly which is quite a nice client.
 
 https://launchpad.net/polly

Nice! I'm trying Hotot and so far it works perfect (although there's no
multiple twitter account support; no the end of the world).

Thanks for the pointer.

Regards,

Juan



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