[ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread norman
Last week, after trying very hard, I managed to install a working
version of Windows XP and then install a working version of Edubuntu.
Success, I exclaimed and there things stayed over the week end, computer
switched on but not in use, until this morning. In order to check
another problem I needed to switch off and reboot the machine and this
is what happened:-

Selected Shut Down and waited, just before finally shutting down I got a
message telling me that 'video mode not supported', which lasted a
second or so, and then the computer switched off. After waiting about 30
seconds I pressed the start button and, after a short wait with a blank
screen, a menu appeared from which I selected Edubuntu. (Please note,
there was no screen showing mother board details such as Intel.)  I then
got the message saying 'video mode not supported', which lasted for a
second or so and then the screen asking for name appeared. I completed
with name and password and when everything was fully loaded I again shut
down the computer. 

As before, following the message 'video mode not supported', the
computer switched off; 30 seconds wait, switch on, menu appeared,
selected Windows XP and, after a short wait with a blank screen the
dreaded blue screen appeared. (Please note, there was no error message
about the video not being supported.)

So, there you have it. I have spent the weekend under the delusion that
I had successfully installed a dual boot system, on one hard drive, of
Edubuntu and Windows XP. This raises the following questions:-

Why no start up screen
Why the video error message
Why the dreaded blue screen
Are these in some way connected

There may be more but I can't think of any at the moment. Friends, I
have very little hair left and, if this goes on much longer, I will be
completely bald, which is not a good thing with the winter upon us.
Please, please help me get things sorted.

Norman














 




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Norman,

On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 10:54:07AM +, norman wrote:
 Why no start up screen
 Why the video error message

Chances are it is in fact there but you can't see it. I suspect the Video 
mode not supported is being reported by your display (not the PC hardware 
or software) because Linux is trying to drive the display in a mode that, 
well, the display does not support. This is probably down to the 
splash-screen system usplash.

You can test this theory by temporarily disabling the splash screen and get 
nice verbose text output during bootup by following this procedure:-

Boot the PC to the GRUB menu.
Hilight the Ubuntu line you normally use (that has the video mode error) 
then press 'e' to edit. This will take you to a new menu.
Go down to the kernel line and press 'e' to edit.
Move across to the end of the line and remove the words splash and 
quiet then press enter.
Press 'b' to boot. 

You should get lots of text, and no video mode not supported error. You 
will then get the logon screen.

 Why the dreaded blue screen

Without knowing what the exact detail of the blue screen error message it's 
difficult to tell. Can you boot to the blue screen, and note down the top 
few lines then we can google (and search the microsoft knowledge base) to 
figure out what the issue is.

You could also try booting windows in safe mode. To do this you can choose 
Windows from the GRUB menu, then press F8 to get a boot menu and choose Safe 
mode (I _think_ - I don't use windows so cannot confim this 100%).

 Are these in some way connected

Probably not, but without seeing the specific error message it's hard to 
tell.

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread alan c
norman wrote:
 Last week, after trying very hard, I managed to install a working
 version of Windows XP and then install a working version of Edubuntu.
 Success, I exclaimed and there things stayed over the week end, computer
 switched on but not in use, until this morning. In order to check
 another problem I needed to switch off and reboot the machine and this
 is what happened:-
 
 Selected Shut Down and waited, just before finally shutting down I got a
 message telling me that 'video mode not supported', which lasted a
 second or so, and then the computer switched off. After waiting about 30
 seconds I pressed the start button and, after a short wait with a blank
 screen, a menu appeared from which I selected Edubuntu. (Please note,
 there was no screen showing mother board details such as Intel.)  I then
 got the message saying 'video mode not supported', which lasted for a
 second or so and then the screen asking for name appeared. I completed
 with name and password and when everything was fully loaded I again shut
 down the computer. 
 
 As before, following the message 'video mode not supported', the
 computer switched off; 30 seconds wait, switch on, menu appeared,
 selected Windows XP and, after a short wait with a blank screen the
 dreaded blue screen appeared. (Please note, there was no error message
 about the video not being supported.)
 
 So, there you have it. I have spent the weekend under the delusion that
 I had successfully installed a dual boot system, on one hard drive, of
 Edubuntu and Windows XP. This raises the following questions:-
 
 Why no start up screen

I am not clear which scree this is? Is it the Ubuntu logo with a 
progress bar?

 Why the video error message

sounds a bit like graphics card is sending out stuff at that stage 
which the monitor (Flat screen lcd?) cannot digest

 Why the dreaded blue screen

Sorry, do not know, I have come to expect windows to be unpredictable 
and bsod being a useless diagnostic tool!

 Are these in some way connected

Is it possible that the clean install of windows requires a suitable 
driver for the graphics card (or monitor?).

 There may be more but I can't think of any at the moment. Friends, I
 have very little hair left and, if this goes on much longer, I will be
 completely bald, which is not a good thing with the winter upon us.
 Please, please help me get things sorted.

in the file
/boot/grub/menu.lst  you will see something like the following line 
(in your topmost or default list option)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic 
root=UUID=92fa534e-c39c-4a40-b507-db336f8876e0 ro quiet splash
If the 'quiet' is removed you will be shown more text during the boot 
process.

I think that the various boot up 'splash' displays may be a high 
resolution by default now and this may be too high for your graphics 
card settings or capabiltiy (?). It should not affect how ubuntu runs 
though, just what you see on the display during boot. I have a dell 
inspiron 1100 which had this ever since 6.06 I think. What do live CD 
s do?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread norman
Report back time:- You were correct making that amendment to the kernel
line produced lots of script and no error message. Does that mean that
the poor old monitor is just that, poor and old?

The windows error is UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME

I Googled and noted that this is quite a common error and some remedies
are given. I will have a go and report further.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread norman
 snip 

Thanks for that, it basically encouraged me to use my setup disc and to
be patient.

At the prompt I typed chkdsk /r and got the response 'The volume appears
to contain one or more unrecoverable problems. Now what, more research?

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread Rob Beard
norman wrote:
 Report back time:- You were correct making that amendment to the kernel
 line produced lots of script and no error message. Does that mean that
 the poor old monitor is just that, poor and old?
 
 The windows error is UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME
 
 I Googled and noted that this is quite a common error and some remedies
 are given. I will have a go and report further.
 
 Norman
 

Sounds like the monitor error is related to usplash.

For some reason my desktop (or two of them at least) don't seem to set 
the right resolution in usplash when they're installed.  I just live 
with it, although as mentioned elsewhere you can re-configure usplash to 
work within the support ranges of your monitor.

Ta,

Rob


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread Daniel Lamb
You could try a windows repair, as I sent you details on before.

That should work.

Regards,
Daniel 

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 snip 

Thanks for that, it basically encouraged me to use my setup disc and to
be patient.

At the prompt I typed chkdsk /r and got the response 'The volume appears
to contain one or more unrecoverable problems. Now what, more research?

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread norman

 You could try a windows repair, as I sent you details on before.

I followed the details you sent me before which is why I tried to get
chkdsk to do the repair for me.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm stuck

2007-12-03 Thread Daniel Lamb
Try a windows repair:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315341

regards,
Daniel

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 You could try a windows repair, as I sent you details on before.

I followed the details you sent me before which is why I tried to get
chkdsk to do the repair for me.

Norman


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