Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
On 15/06/10 11:17, Matthew Bassett wrote: > Rob: minor suggestion, but if you are using GMail then have you > considered accessing your email via IMAP? This would then give you > full access to your entire email archive on GMail, plus any gmail > label assignment (although GMail labels are mapped to IMAP folders, > not as nice as using IMAP keywords but workable). > > (NB GMail itself might not map IMAP keywords to GMail labels, but it > does preserve IMAP keywords) > Matthew, Yes, this is a good point that you have raised. I have considered the IMAP solution and have put it off. - It's a case of 'old dog - new tricks'! In the light of my recent experiences, I think I will look into this again and maybe bite the bullet. Thanks for giving me a bit of a nudge! Bob G. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
Rob: minor suggestion, but if you are using GMail then have you considered accessing your email via IMAP? This would then give you full access to your entire email archive on GMail, plus any gmail label assignment (although GMail labels are mapped to IMAP folders, not as nice as using IMAP keywords but workable). (NB GMail itself might not map IMAP keywords to GMail labels, but it does preserve IMAP keywords) On 15 June 2010 08:51, Bob Giles wrote: > Liam, Alan, Tyler, Rob and Silner (+anyone else that I may have forgotten), > > Many thanks for all of your observations and suggestions. I have learned > a couple of things. Firstly the pae kernel! (I should point out that I > was aware of the limitations re memory and the 32 bit version. I had > upgraded my memory since the 10.04 upgrade. I considered the 64bit > option but had been put off by some of the adverse comments that I had > read.) > > I can confirm that the PAE option is automatically used upon > installation subject to it detecting in excess of 3Gb RAM. > > I would have replied sooner but things finally came to a head when > Thunderbird started messing me about and I ended up losing all emails > back to last January. I decided that a total reinstall was in order! > Again I learned something! > > I had recently made a brief foray back to the UK (I live in Greece) and > had taken my netbook for company! Before leaving, I had synched my email > which meant that upon my return on 20th May I had a backup to that date. > As I use GMail to access my additional accounts, I was able to use the > 'recent' attribute to download the last 30 days email. (I didn't know > about that until I went searching for ways to download archived Gmail!) > I know it's no substitute for a daily backup but hey! I *know* that I am > not perfect! > > The long and the short of it is that after a total reinstall, things are > fine. I new I should not have gone with the upgrade option! I still > can't bring myself to go 64 bit! > > Thanks everyone yet again. You are a credit to a great list! > > Bob Giles > Corfu > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
Liam, Alan, Tyler, Rob and Silner (+anyone else that I may have forgotten), Many thanks for all of your observations and suggestions. I have learned a couple of things. Firstly the pae kernel! (I should point out that I was aware of the limitations re memory and the 32 bit version. I had upgraded my memory since the 10.04 upgrade. I considered the 64bit option but had been put off by some of the adverse comments that I had read.) I can confirm that the PAE option is automatically used upon installation subject to it detecting in excess of 3Gb RAM. I would have replied sooner but things finally came to a head when Thunderbird started messing me about and I ended up losing all emails back to last January. I decided that a total reinstall was in order! Again I learned something! I had recently made a brief foray back to the UK (I live in Greece) and had taken my netbook for company! Before leaving, I had synched my email which meant that upon my return on 20th May I had a backup to that date. As I use GMail to access my additional accounts, I was able to use the 'recent' attribute to download the last 30 days email. (I didn't know about that until I went searching for ways to download archived Gmail!) I know it's no substitute for a daily backup but hey! I *know* that I am not perfect! The long and the short of it is that after a total reinstall, things are fine. I new I should not have gone with the upgrade option! I still can't bring myself to go 64 bit! Thanks everyone yet again. You are a credit to a great list! Bob Giles Corfu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:34:23 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > Adobe seem to be on self-destruct. But by then we should have HTML5 & Synfig, unless they self destruct really fast :) -- http://twitter.com/silner -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
On 11/06/10 20:34, Alan Pope wrote: > On 11 June 2010 18:41, Rob Beard wrote: >> Actually I was able to use the full 4GB on my notebook with 32-Bit >> Ubuntu. IIRC on older versions (I believe 9.04 and lower) I had to use >> the server kernel, but on newer versions it just worked. >> > > The newer installers (karmic onwards) detect when you have more than > 3GB RAM and install the PAE kernel. Contrary to Liams protests about > PAE it works just fine, and there's no config.sys, DOS=HIGH or LIM/EMS > in sight :) > >> Saying that I'm running the 64-Bit version at the moment although I am >> seriously considering going back to the 32-Bit version as some stuff I >> have has niggly problems (I can't for the life of me get the LogMeIn >> plugin working and I can't figure out the plugin wrapper). >> > > My desktop is 64-bit and I have zero issues. Interesting that all the > issues I had in the past revolved around proprietary nonsense like > Zattoo, Skype and Flash. Slowly these people are sorting themselves > out, although Adobe seem to be on self-destruct. > > Cheers, > Al. > Yeah, I've just seen the post about 64-Bit Flash on Linux. Hey ho, at least I've got the choice, I can go back to 32-Bit if I wish. I might stick to 32-Bit on my desktop but go over to 64-Bit on my server when I upgrade the hardware later on this year. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
On 11 June 2010 18:41, Rob Beard wrote: > Actually I was able to use the full 4GB on my notebook with 32-Bit > Ubuntu. IIRC on older versions (I believe 9.04 and lower) I had to use > the server kernel, but on newer versions it just worked. > The newer installers (karmic onwards) detect when you have more than 3GB RAM and install the PAE kernel. Contrary to Liams protests about PAE it works just fine, and there's no config.sys, DOS=HIGH or LIM/EMS in sight :) > Saying that I'm running the 64-Bit version at the moment although I am > seriously considering going back to the 32-Bit version as some stuff I > have has niggly problems (I can't for the life of me get the LogMeIn > plugin working and I can't figure out the plugin wrapper). > My desktop is 64-bit and I have zero issues. Interesting that all the issues I had in the past revolved around proprietary nonsense like Zattoo, Skype and Flash. Slowly these people are sorting themselves out, although Adobe seem to be on self-destruct. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
On 11/06/10 13:44, Liam Proven wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Bob Giles wrote: >> Hi gurus, >> >> I am running 32bit Lucid on a Lenovo 3000 N200 laptop with 4Gb ram. > > If you have a 64-bit chip - which seems /extremely/ likely if the > machine takes 4GB - then assuming that you actually want to /use/ all > of your 4 gig, you should be running the 64-bit version. 32-bit PC OSs > can't access more than about 3¼-3½ gig of RAM; the rest is > inaccessible because the address space is occupied by the graphics > card& other devices. > Actually I was able to use the full 4GB on my notebook with 32-Bit Ubuntu. IIRC on older versions (I believe 9.04 and lower) I had to use the server kernel, but on newer versions it just worked. Saying that I'm running the 64-Bit version at the moment although I am seriously considering going back to the 32-Bit version as some stuff I have has niggly problems (I can't for the life of me get the LogMeIn plugin working and I can't figure out the plugin wrapper). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Alan Pope wrote: > HI Liam/Bob > > On 11 June 2010 13:44, Liam Proven wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Bob Giles wrote: >>> I am running 32bit Lucid on a Lenovo 3000 N200 laptop with 4Gb ram. >> >> If you have a 64-bit chip - which seems /extremely/ likely if the >> machine takes 4GB - then assuming that you actually want to /use/ all >> of your 4 gig, you should be running the 64-bit version. 32-bit PC OSs >> can't access more than about 3¼-3½ gig of RAM; the rest is >> inaccessible because the address space is occupied by the graphics >> card & other devices. >> > > Actually you can. > > Install linux-generic-image-pae package and you'll get the PAE enabled > kernel which allows 32-bit Ubuntu to see more than 3 and a bit GB of > RAM. Over 4GB indeed. I think PAE is a pretty poor substitute for a flat 4+G memory space. All it does is page in higher bits of memory, a little like LIM-spec EMS, AKA Expanded memory, back in the DOS days. It's not the same thing at all. Secondly, the x86-32 architecture is notoriously register-starved. x86-64 has twice as many general-purpose registers, which means that x86-64 code executes that little bit faster than x86-32 code on the same CPU. Given that, unlike on Windows, it's a free upgrade with no real major drawbacks, I can't see any reason not to go for it. >> All *three*? What 3 are these? > > nvidia-glx-173 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-173 > nvidia-glx-180 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-185 > nvidia-glx-96 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-96 > nvidia-glx-185 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-185 > > Four even! :D Ah, come on, be fair! I *did* specifically mention these and address the reasons for their existence and why they are basically irrelevant for a modern 64-bit PC. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
HI Liam/Bob On 11 June 2010 13:44, Liam Proven wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Bob Giles wrote: >> I am running 32bit Lucid on a Lenovo 3000 N200 laptop with 4Gb ram. > > If you have a 64-bit chip - which seems /extremely/ likely if the > machine takes 4GB - then assuming that you actually want to /use/ all > of your 4 gig, you should be running the 64-bit version. 32-bit PC OSs > can't access more than about 3¼-3½ gig of RAM; the rest is > inaccessible because the address space is occupied by the graphics > card & other devices. > Actually you can. Install linux-generic-image-pae package and you'll get the PAE enabled kernel which allows 32-bit Ubuntu to see more than 3 and a bit GB of RAM. Over 4GB indeed. > All *three*? What 3 are these? nvidia-glx-173 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-173 nvidia-glx-180 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-185 nvidia-glx-96 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-96 nvidia-glx-185 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-185 Four even! :D Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
On Friday 11 June 2010 13:44:38 Liam Proven wrote: > If you have a 64-bit chip - which seems /extremely/ likely if the > machine takes 4GB - then assuming that you actually want to /use/ all > of your 4 gig, you should be running the 64-bit version. 32-bit PC OSs > can't access more than about 3¼-3½ gig of RAM; Or install 32-bit and then: apt-get install linux-generic-pae Reboot, hold SHIFT, and select the pae kernel. Then remove the linux-generic package and any generic (not generic-pae) kernels. Once you do that it'll always boot pae kernels. Regards, Tyler -- "Before we got into this war there were countless 'military experts' and intelligence analysts that told us this was a good idea, that we had to do it. That presented their information, and were so terribly wrong. These people are still affecting public policy. They are still considered experts. I'm sorry, shouldn't there be a rule or law that says if you fuck things up so badly, you can no longer be considered an expert?" -- Tim Robbins -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Bob Giles wrote: > Hi gurus, > > I am running 32bit Lucid on a Lenovo 3000 N200 laptop with 4Gb ram. If you have a 64-bit chip - which seems /extremely/ likely if the machine takes 4GB - then assuming that you actually want to /use/ all of your 4 gig, you should be running the 64-bit version. 32-bit PC OSs can't access more than about 3¼-3½ gig of RAM; the rest is inaccessible because the address space is occupied by the graphics card & other devices. > Following upgrading from the previous version I have had a few problems at > startup. I will list them in the order which they manifested themselves. I > am not suggesting that there is any connection between any of the 'symptoms' > but who knows. > > 1. The first thing that I noticed was that before I get to the login splash > screen that there was a considerable amount of 'noise' or 'interference' on > a black screen. (This also occurs when shutting down. I have tried all of > the three proprietary Nvidia drivers with no success. (I can live with this > and didn't get too excited ... at first.) All *three*? What 3 are these? Assuming your machine actually has an nVidia graphics chipset, and you want the 3D support for Compiz, then you should be running the latest version of the nVidia binary driver that supports your chipset. The older, legacy versions are just there for supporting older devices which no longer work with the latest closed-source drivers. [Thinks] Ah, perhaps you mean the nVidia binary driver, "nouveau" and "nv"? Well, Nouveau is getting there, I hear, but it doesn't do full 3D acceleration yet, so unless you're ethically opposed to closed-source code, you're better off with the binary one. I see no good reason at all for running the nv driver if you have any alternative. > 2. Recently, the system has been booting up and has loading a terminal > window at start-up. The system is not configured to remember open programs > when shutting down. I always close every running program at shutdown. Check your startup programs and options. > 3. Today, the machine has started booting up without displaying the splash > screen and goes straight into my login without any password. Again, check your startup programs and options. Have you got the automatic-login option enabled? It's in the "login window" options. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Increasing start up problems since upgrade to 10.04
Hi gurus, I am running 32bit Lucid on a Lenovo 3000 N200 laptop with 4Gb ram. Following upgrading from the previous version I have had a few problems at startup. I will list them in the order which they manifested themselves. I am not suggesting that there is any connection between any of the 'symptoms' but who knows. 1. The first thing that I noticed was that before I get to the login splash screen that there was a considerable amount of 'noise' or 'interference' on a black screen. (This also occurs when shutting down. I have tried all of the three proprietary Nvidia drivers with no success. (I can live with this and didn't get too excited ... at first.) 2. Recently, the system has been booting up and has loading a terminal window at start-up. The system is not configured to remember open programs when shutting down. I always close every running program at shutdown. 3. Today, the machine has started booting up without displaying the splash screen and goes straight into my login without any password. Any clues as to what is going on in respect of any or all of the above will be gratefully received! Where should I be looking? TIA Bob Giles -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
