Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-07 Thread Andrew Oakley 
Another one drawn to my attention is the ReadyNAS' cheaper sibling, the Netgear 
Stora:
 
http://www.netgear.co.uk/ms2110.php
 
It already runs a custom Linux install, and there's a hacking community here 
which have managed to get vanilla Debian running on it:
 
http://hardwarehackersunite.com
 
55 quid on Amazon:
 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Netgear-Network-Attached-Storage-Included/dp/B003RFNHU0
 
...so this is probably going to be the one for me.
 
Andrew Oakley
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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?



On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:04, Andrew Oakley  wrote:


I'm looking for a low power NAS box that supports:
 
* Two SATA hard drives up to 2TB each in RAID1 mirroring
* Runs Ubuntu Server or can be flashed/reinstalled to run a variant of 
Ubuntu (or failing that, Debian) - in particular, must be able to run cron/at 
jobs, must be able to do overnight large file transfers and torrents
* Is low power (I already have an miditower Linux server... it uses too 
much power and does too little to warrant 24/7 ATX PSU power consumption)
* Is silent or near-silent (may be situated in spare bedroom that is 
frequently occupied)
* Can operate in a dusty environment (may be situated in loft with dust 
and occasional spiders)
* Ideally has E-SATA and USB2 ports for occasionally connecting 
external drives
* Ideally budget of £50-£100 (without drives, I already have the 2 
drives) but up to £150 if outstanding




The Netgear ReadyNAS series runs some derivative of Debian internally and works 
well with both Windows, Ubuntu and PS3 boxes in our house. SSH and root access 
available for the advanced tinkerer but the default settings allow more than 
enough tweaking without voiding warranty.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001O35S7M/





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-07 Thread Anders Jacobsen 
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:04, Andrew Oakley wrote:

>  I'm looking for a low power NAS box that supports:
>
> * Two SATA hard drives up to 2TB each in RAID1 mirroring
> * Runs Ubuntu Server or can be flashed/reinstalled to run a variant of
> Ubuntu (or failing that, Debian) - in particular, must be able to run
> cron/at jobs, must be able to do overnight large file transfers and torrents
> * Is low power (I already have an miditower Linux server... it uses too
> much power and does too little to warrant 24/7 ATX PSU power consumption)
> * Is silent or near-silent (may be situated in spare bedroom that is
> frequently occupied)
> * Can operate in a dusty environment (may be situated in loft with dust and
> occasional spiders)
> * Ideally has E-SATA and USB2 ports for occasionally connecting external
> drives
> * Ideally budget of £50-£100 (without drives, I already have the 2 drives)
> but up to £150 if outstanding
>
>
The Netgear ReadyNAS series runs some derivative of Debian internally and
works well with both Windows, Ubuntu and PS3 boxes in our house. SSH and
root access available for the advanced tinkerer but the default settings
allow more than enough tweaking without voiding warranty.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001O35S7M/
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-02 Thread Alan Lord (News) 
On 02/09/10 15:16, Andrew Oakley wrote:
>
> The other route looks like shopping around for a low-power mini-ITX 
> motherboard, mITX chassis and build from there. What I absolutely do not want 
> is an ATX or mATX power supply slurping 100w and making fan/buzz noises. So 
> maybe I can find an mITX motherboard which takes a 9v/12v power brick mains 
> adaptor.

Here's the story of what I built almost three years ago. A VIA C7 (which 
I now downclock!) in a small case. It draws < 20W from the socket and 
It's been on virtually all the time since I built it.

http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2007/09/08/untangle-asterisk-pbx-and-file-server-all-in-one/

Another option is to look at some the little Revo-type boxes...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-02 Thread Samuel Toogood 
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On 02/09/10 14:43, David Restall - System Administrator wrote:

> Might blow the budget a bit but I've just ordered QNAP TS210 (£168 inc
> VAT & Delivery from www.cclonline.com
> 
> .
> 
> It's just been delivered and I'll be sorting it over the weekend.  It has
> an external PSU and runs ~14W.  Will take 2TB drives and provides loads
> of other stuff.  The installed OS is Linux - don't know what flavour but
> I suppose it will be replaceable with Ubuntu.
> 

I suspect getting ubuntu on to it may be a challenge, but debian is
certainly possible, see: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/qnap/ts-219/

HTH

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-02 Thread Andrew Oakley 

David wrote:
> Might blow the budget a bit but I've just ordered QNAP TS210 (£168 inc
> VAT & Delivery from www.cclonline.com
> http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=41794

Wow. That is *exactly* what I want... only 50-75 quid cheaper! I will do the 
standard IT action in these circumstances; wait until the price drops. ;-)

The other route looks like shopping around for a low-power mini-ITX 
motherboard, mITX chassis and build from there. What I absolutely do not want 
is an ATX or mATX power supply slurping 100w and making fan/buzz noises. So 
maybe I can find an mITX motherboard which takes a 9v/12v power brick mains 
adaptor.

Andrew Oakley
Head of Software Development
Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA)
95 Promenade, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire GL50 1HZ
T 01242 211460  F 01242 211122  W www.hesa.ac.uk


-Original Message-
From: David Restall - System Administrator [mailto:d...@restall.net] 
Sent: 02 September 2010 14:43
To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com; Andrew Oakley
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

Hi,

Andrew Oakley on Thu Sep 02 10:04:39 2010 did scribble :-

> I'm looking for a low power NAS box that supports:
>  
> * Two SATA hard drives up to 2TB each in RAID1 mirroring
>
> * Runs Ubuntu Server or can be flashed/reinstalled to run a variant
> of Ubuntu (or failing that, Debian) - in particular, must be able to
> run cron/at jobs, must be able to do overnight large file transfers
> and torrents
>
> * Is low power (I already have an miditower Linux server... it uses too
> much power and does too little to warrant 24/7 ATX PSU power consumption)
>
> * Is silent or near-silent (may be situated in spare bedroom that is
> frequently occupied)
>
> * Can operate in a dusty environment (may be situated in loft with dust
> and occasional spiders)
>
> * Ideally has E-SATA and USB2 ports for occasionally connecting
> external drives
>
> * Ideally budget of £50-£100 (without drives, I already have the 2
> drives) but up to £150 if outstanding

Might blow the budget a bit but I've just ordered QNAP TS210 (£168 inc
VAT & Delivery from www.cclonline.com

<http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=41794>.

It's just been delivered and I'll be sorting it over the weekend.  It has
an external PSU and runs ~14W.  Will take 2TB drives and provides loads
of other stuff.  The installed OS is Linux - don't know what flavour but
I suppose it will be replaceable with Ubuntu.

I bought it as recommended by a friendly Sun engineer who came to site
yesterday :)

Long story but I bought two 2TB drives to replace two ageing 330GB drives
in my shuttle only to find the MB doesn't support SATA II so I ended
up spending more wonga on a barebones box then discovered the TS210.
My son's dead chuffed - he's getting the old shuttle :)

I've currently got two 1TB drives hanging off a slug (NSLU2) running
debian but it's very unreliable so I'm hoping this solution will work.

I'll let you know what it's really like when I get it built.

TTFN



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>  
> Any suggestions gratefully received please, thanks all.
>  
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> Head of Software Development
> Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA)
> 95 Promenade, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire GL50 1HZ
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-02 Thread David Restall - System Administrator 
Hi,

Andrew Oakley on Thu Sep 02 10:04:39 2010 did scribble :-

> I'm looking for a low power NAS box that supports:
>  
> * Two SATA hard drives up to 2TB each in RAID1 mirroring
>
> * Runs Ubuntu Server or can be flashed/reinstalled to run a variant
> of Ubuntu (or failing that, Debian) - in particular, must be able to
> run cron/at jobs, must be able to do overnight large file transfers
> and torrents
>
> * Is low power (I already have an miditower Linux server... it uses too
> much power and does too little to warrant 24/7 ATX PSU power consumption)
>
> * Is silent or near-silent (may be situated in spare bedroom that is
> frequently occupied)
>
> * Can operate in a dusty environment (may be situated in loft with dust
> and occasional spiders)
>
> * Ideally has E-SATA and USB2 ports for occasionally connecting
> external drives
>
> * Ideally budget of £50-£100 (without drives, I already have the 2
> drives) but up to £150 if outstanding

Might blow the budget a bit but I've just ordered QNAP TS210 (£168 inc
VAT & Delivery from www.cclonline.com

.

It's just been delivered and I'll be sorting it over the weekend.  It has
an external PSU and runs ~14W.  Will take 2TB drives and provides loads
of other stuff.  The installed OS is Linux - don't know what flavour but
I suppose it will be replaceable with Ubuntu.

I bought it as recommended by a friendly Sun engineer who came to site
yesterday :)

Long story but I bought two 2TB drives to replace two ageing 330GB drives
in my shuttle only to find the MB doesn't support SATA II so I ended
up spending more wonga on a barebones box then discovered the TS210.
My son's dead chuffed - he's getting the old shuttle :)

I've currently got two 1TB drives hanging off a slug (NSLU2) running
debian but it's very unreliable so I'm hoping this solution will work.

I'll let you know what it's really like when I get it built.

TTFN



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>  
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-02 Thread Andrew Oakley 
Glen Mehn wrote:
>I suspect, though, that putting together osmething like one of those
>Shuttle mini things with an Atom or C3 processor will do what you need.

Do these come with low-power PSUs?

I was hoping for something like a beefed-up NSLU2, but which supports SATA. ( 
www.nslu2-linux.org )

>Or why not put the drives in your mid-tower? If you're running it most
>of the time anyway.

I currently have the drives in an ATX mini-tower, self-built job running 24/7 
under Ubuntu Server with a Celeron 3500 and a micro ATX motherboard. Acts as a 
Samba file share, cron/at job scheduler, overnight file transfers etc. This has 
a 450w ATX PSU which I would estimate consumes around 70-120w when "idle". My 
goal is consume less power and make less noise whilst maintaining functionality.

This will then free up the mini-tower to become a desktop workstation, which 
will only be turned on when required, spending most of its life in standby or 
maybe even hibernate.

Andrew Oakley
Head of Software Development
Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA)
95 Promenade, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire GL50 1HZ
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-Original Message-
From: Glen Mehn [mailto:glen.m...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Glen Mehn
Sent: 02 September 2010 12:45
To: UK Ubuntu Talk
Cc: Andrew Oakley
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

  I think you'll have at least a bit of trouble doing this with 
current-ish kit, the big killer will be the "silent" requirement.

I suspect, though, that putting together osmething like one of those 
Shuttle mini things with an Atom or C3 processor will do what you need. 
Alternatively, a netbook and a couple of external USB boxes for your 
drives. Also, finding an old-ish machine and underclocking the CPU might 
work-- I'm thinking centrino-era solos.

Or why not put the drives in your mid-tower? If you're running it most 
of the time anyway. The best you'll get will be about 12-15w 
consumption, so maybe doing the math will see if it makes sense to just 
have a single box vs. the additional capital expense/carbon/energy/etc. 
of having a separate box.

Best of luck,

Glen

On 02/09/2010 10:04, Andrew Oakley wrote:
> I'm looking for a low power NAS box that supports:
> * Two SATA hard drives up to 2TB each in RAID1 mirroring
> * Runs Ubuntu Server or can be flashed/reinstalled to run a variant of 
> Ubuntu (or failing that, Debian) - in particular, must be able to run 
> cron/at jobs, must be able to do overnight large file transfers and 
> torrents
> * Is low power (I already have an miditower Linux server... it uses 
> too much power and does too little to warrant 24/7 ATX PSU power 
> consumption)
> * Is silent or near-silent (may be situated in spare bedroom that is 
> frequently occupied)
> * Can operate in a dusty environment (may be situated in loft with 
> dust and occasional spiders)
> * Ideally has E-SATA and USB2 ports for occasionally connecting 
> external drives
> * Ideally budget of £50-£100 (without drives, I already have the 2 
> drives) but up to £150 if outstanding
> Any suggestions gratefully received please, thanks all.
> *Andrew Oakley
> Head of Software Development*
> Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-02 Thread Glen Mehn 
  I think you'll have at least a bit of trouble doing this with 
current-ish kit, the big killer will be the "silent" requirement.

I suspect, though, that putting together osmething like one of those 
Shuttle mini things with an Atom or C3 processor will do what you need. 
Alternatively, a netbook and a couple of external USB boxes for your 
drives. Also, finding an old-ish machine and underclocking the CPU might 
work-- I'm thinking centrino-era solos.

Or why not put the drives in your mid-tower? If you're running it most 
of the time anyway. The best you'll get will be about 12-15w 
consumption, so maybe doing the math will see if it makes sense to just 
have a single box vs. the additional capital expense/carbon/energy/etc. 
of having a separate box.

Best of luck,

Glen

On 02/09/2010 10:04, Andrew Oakley wrote:
> I'm looking for a low power NAS box that supports:
> * Two SATA hard drives up to 2TB each in RAID1 mirroring
> * Runs Ubuntu Server or can be flashed/reinstalled to run a variant of 
> Ubuntu (or failing that, Debian) - in particular, must be able to run 
> cron/at jobs, must be able to do overnight large file transfers and 
> torrents
> * Is low power (I already have an miditower Linux server... it uses 
> too much power and does too little to warrant 24/7 ATX PSU power 
> consumption)
> * Is silent or near-silent (may be situated in spare bedroom that is 
> frequently occupied)
> * Can operate in a dusty environment (may be situated in loft with 
> dust and occasional spiders)
> * Ideally has E-SATA and USB2 ports for occasionally connecting 
> external drives
> * Ideally budget of £50-£100 (without drives, I already have the 2 
> drives) but up to £150 if outstanding
> Any suggestions gratefully received please, thanks all.
> *Andrew Oakley
> Head of Software Development*
> Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA)
> 95 Promenade, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire GL50 1HZ
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[ubuntu-uk] Low power 2-drive NAS box that can run Ubuntu?

2010-09-02 Thread Andrew Oakley 
I'm looking for a low power NAS box that supports:
 
* Two SATA hard drives up to 2TB each in RAID1 mirroring
* Runs Ubuntu Server or can be flashed/reinstalled to run a variant of Ubuntu 
(or failing that, Debian) - in particular, must be able to run cron/at jobs, 
must be able to do overnight large file transfers and torrents
* Is low power (I already have an miditower Linux server... it uses too much 
power and does too little to warrant 24/7 ATX PSU power consumption)
* Is silent or near-silent (may be situated in spare bedroom that is frequently 
occupied)
* Can operate in a dusty environment (may be situated in loft with dust and 
occasional spiders)
* Ideally has E-SATA and USB2 ports for occasionally connecting external drives
* Ideally budget of £50-£100 (without drives, I already have the 2 drives) but 
up to £150 if outstanding
 
Any suggestions gratefully received please, thanks all.
 
Andrew Oakley
Head of Software Development
Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA)
95 Promenade, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire GL50 1HZ
T 01242 211460  F 01242 211122  W www.hesa.ac.uk  
 

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