Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
> If you meant something even more sensible like ogg vorbis/theora, it > isn't compatible with windows so that's unlikely to happen. I think that you mean isn't compatible with Internet Explorer - I've got lots of Windows software that runs ogg! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Alec Wright wrote: > On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:19 +0100, SteVe Cook wrote: > >> Why they can't use some sensible format I don't know, as Realplayer is >> that reliable under windows either. >> > I'm guessing by a "sensible format", you mean something like MPEG. If > that's true, they probably don't because the MPEG licensing authority > charge for use of MPEG encoding, whereas real (or whatever the company's > called) and Microsoft probably don't charge, and perhaps even pay BBC > for the publicity of their formats. > > If you meant something even more sensible like ogg vorbis/theora, it > isn't compatible with windows so that's unlikely to happen. Or they > could keep windows media and real media for winblows users and give us > ogg vorbis/theora too. I see a petition starting :) But first let's get > in touch with them. > In fact, RealMedia formats require a fee of US$500 per server. The smart money, I'd have thought, would be on Dirac: royalty fee, developed under the same license as Firefox, and (unlike Theora) twice as bandwidth efficient as MPEG-2. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
A new problem has started after messing about trying out Realplay videos. Firefox just disappears, nothing in the logs and when I restart it I don't even get the offer of restoring the previous session. It's as if FF thinks it's been shut down properly. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Alec Wright wrote: > On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:19 +0100, SteVe Cook wrote: >> Why they can't use some sensible format I don't know, as Realplayer is >> that reliable under windows either. > I'm guessing by a "sensible format", you mean something like MPEG. If > that's true, they probably don't because the MPEG licensing authority > charge for use of MPEG encoding, whereas real (or whatever the company's > called) and Microsoft probably don't charge, and perhaps even pay BBC > for the publicity of their formats. > > If you meant something even more sensible like ogg vorbis/theora, it > isn't compatible with windows so that's unlikely to happen. Or they > could keep windows media and real media for winblows users and give us > ogg vorbis/theora too. I see a petition starting :) But first let's get > in touch with them. I meant something open like ogg or whatever. As they're open there is nor reason why windows, apple, mobile phones can't use them. Despite the fact that I don't watch GMTV, I have emailed my thoughts on the matter to them, I doubt it will do much but it's a start, especially if others join in. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:19 +0100, SteVe Cook wrote: > Why they can't use some sensible format I don't know, as Realplayer is > that reliable under windows either. I'm guessing by a "sensible format", you mean something like MPEG. If that's true, they probably don't because the MPEG licensing authority charge for use of MPEG encoding, whereas real (or whatever the company's called) and Microsoft probably don't charge, and perhaps even pay BBC for the publicity of their formats. If you meant something even more sensible like ogg vorbis/theora, it isn't compatible with windows so that's unlikely to happen. Or they could keep windows media and real media for winblows users and give us ogg vorbis/theora too. I see a petition starting :) But first let's get in touch with them. -- Alec Wright -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Michael wrote: > I tell a lie: you seem to have to wait a few minutes before you're > allowed to see a new clip. > > "Fullscreen" mode doesn't work in any case. > That would appear to be the case as I've just tried it again, following your post. Why they can't use some sensible format I don't know, as Realplayer is that reliable under windows either. I can see this being a long running saga. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Michael wrote: > SteVe Cook wrote: > >> Michael wrote: >> >> >>> SteVe Cook wrote: >>> >>> >>> I've just tried the GMTV clips page out in Windows. >>> >>> In Firefox 2.0 the interview with Michael Kerr plays out in sound only >>> until you click inside the embedded player, causing the stream to be >>> shown in full-screen mode. >>> >>> In Internet Explorer, nothing actually happens... >>> >>> Back in Seamonkey under Feisty, the clips page immediately returns the >>> error: >>> >>> Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or >>> inaccurate. >>> (rtsp://a1358.v165445.c16544.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/1358/16544/v001/roomediaco1.download.akamai.com/16542/real.roomedia/streamingVX/7056/1441/herochat_300.rm?clipId=1441_gmtv_0601&channel=GMTV+Highlights&category=&site=gmtv%2fportal) >>> >>> >>> The least that can be done in Ubuntu is to make available an optional >>> version of mplayer that doesn't install the useless RealMedia plugin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> The plot thickens. I don't appear to able to play the GMTV clips more >> than once. Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the >> ubuntu/Realplayer thing. >> >> SteVe >> >> >> > Returning to Seamonkey just now, the "featured" clip played > automatically in both sound & vision within the embedded player, but I > can't get the player to repeat it, and clicking on the other links > produces no response. > > > Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the ubuntu/Realplayer > thing. > > As it happens, that page is GMTV's shop window for clip sales > (http://www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=14014). > > I tell a lie: you seem to have to wait a few minutes before you're allowed to see a new clip. "Fullscreen" mode doesn't work in any case. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
SteVe Cook wrote: > Michael wrote: > >> SteVe Cook wrote: >> >>> >>> >> I've just tried the GMTV clips page out in Windows. >> >> In Firefox 2.0 the interview with Michael Kerr plays out in sound only >> until you click inside the embedded player, causing the stream to be >> shown in full-screen mode. >> >> In Internet Explorer, nothing actually happens... >> >> Back in Seamonkey under Feisty, the clips page immediately returns the >> error: >> >> Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or >> inaccurate. >> (rtsp://a1358.v165445.c16544.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/1358/16544/v001/roomediaco1.download.akamai.com/16542/real.roomedia/streamingVX/7056/1441/herochat_300.rm?clipId=1441_gmtv_0601&channel=GMTV+Highlights&category=&site=gmtv%2fportal) >> >> >> The least that can be done in Ubuntu is to make available an optional >> version of mplayer that doesn't install the useless RealMedia plugin. >> >> >> > The plot thickens. I don't appear to able to play the GMTV clips more > than once. Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the > ubuntu/Realplayer thing. > > SteVe > > Returning to Seamonkey just now, the "featured" clip played automatically in both sound & vision within the embedded player, but I can't get the player to repeat it, and clicking on the other links produces no response. > Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the ubuntu/Realplayer thing. As it happens, that page is GMTV's shop window for clip sales (http://www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=14014). -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Michael wrote: > SteVe Cook wrote: >> > I've just tried the GMTV clips page out in Windows. > > In Firefox 2.0 the interview with Michael Kerr plays out in sound only > until you click inside the embedded player, causing the stream to be > shown in full-screen mode. > > In Internet Explorer, nothing actually happens... > > Back in Seamonkey under Feisty, the clips page immediately returns the > error: > > Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or > inaccurate. > (rtsp://a1358.v165445.c16544.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/1358/16544/v001/roomediaco1.download.akamai.com/16542/real.roomedia/streamingVX/7056/1441/herochat_300.rm?clipId=1441_gmtv_0601&channel=GMTV+Highlights&category=&site=gmtv%2fportal) > > > The least that can be done in Ubuntu is to make available an optional > version of mplayer that doesn't install the useless RealMedia plugin. > > The plot thickens. I don't appear to able to play the GMTV clips more than once. Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the ubuntu/Realplayer thing. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
SteVe Cook wrote: > Mac wrote: > >> This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I >> wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our >> own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the >> remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our >> efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, >> flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in >> several different versions of the same apps. >> >> The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly >> or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. >> >> > I think you may have highlighted the (on of the ?) problem. I have > three machines here. > One upgraded from edgy, that has had every media player, codec, etc. > known to man on it at one time or other. It now has problems with all > sorts of media. > The machine I did a clean install on back in may, just before feisty was > officially released only has trouble with realplayer stuff in the main. > The third machine is my 'try it - wipe it - reinstall' machine. I've > gone the medibuntu route on that and have know problems with the beeb or > GMTV. > > SteVe > > I've just tried the GMTV clips page out in Windows. In Firefox 2.0 the interview with Michael Kerr plays out in sound only until you click inside the embedded player, causing the stream to be shown in full-screen mode. In Internet Explorer, nothing actually happens... Back in Seamonkey under Feisty, the clips page immediately returns the error: Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or inaccurate. (rtsp://a1358.v165445.c16544.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/1358/16544/v001/roomediaco1.download.akamai.com/16542/real.roomedia/streamingVX/7056/1441/herochat_300.rm?clipId=1441_gmtv_0601&channel=GMTV+Highlights&category=&site=gmtv%2fportal) The least that can be done in Ubuntu is to make available an optional version of mplayer that doesn't install the useless RealMedia plugin. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
On 7/4/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it might be worth creating some sort of firefox plugin for linux that detects streams and checks if there is a compatible player installed, or something like that Media Player Connectivity plug-in for firefox does this, however it's method creates a black panel where the media is usually displayed. When you then click the black area the appropriate media player launch's and plays your video. I actually prefer this method as I think videos should be played in video players not in web pages. Media Player Connectivity https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446 Perhaps those looking for the window codecs to work out of the box should try Linspire for their next distribution, as Linspires recent deal with Microsoft will provide that functionality. Regards Lee " linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste" -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Mac wrote: > > This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I > wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our > own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the > remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our > efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, > flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in > several different versions of the same apps. > > The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly > or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. > I think you may have highlighted the (on of the ?) problem. I have three machines here. One upgraded from edgy, that has had every media player, codec, etc. known to man on it at one time or other. It now has problems with all sorts of media. The machine I did a clean install on back in may, just before feisty was officially released only has trouble with realplayer stuff in the main. The third machine is my 'try it - wipe it - reinstall' machine. I've gone the medibuntu route on that and have know problems with the beeb or GMTV. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
it might be worth creating some sort of firefox plugin for linux that detects streams and checks if there is a compatible player installed, or something like that regards, On 04/07/07, Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Rowson wrote: > > I have been reading with interest the various threads which have been > > discussing problems with getting embedded media on websites working > > properly. > > > > This IMO is one of the blockers for switching non tech-savvy people to > > Ubuntu. They simply want to click on a realplayer link on the BBC site > > and have it running in their browser straight away. > > > > It seems like there are a couple of other sites with issues too (I > > think GMTV was mentioned) and I wondered if it'd be worth documenting > > sites with issues, and figuring out what changes need to be made to a > > system configuration to sort out the problems. > > > > Anyone interested? > > > > Chris > > > > Hi folks >>> Lke Chris, I've been following this with interest, too. > And I've been experimenting in parallel with Alan. > > I set up realplay a while ago (can't remember how, but do remember > it was a tortuous and frustrating business). I discover - shadowing > Alan - that the GMTV site streams Real video immediately, with no > trouble at all; but BBC will only work if I select 'stand alone player'. > > This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I > wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our > own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the > remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our > efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, > flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in > several different versions of the same apps. > > The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly > or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. > > As you say, Chris, this is a recipe for nightmares plus a hasty > retreat to Windows for many non tech-savvy folk trying Ubuntu for the > first time. (Quicktime is another story - I know: not Ubuntu's fault; > but a pain for many previously used to playing an > almost-industry-standard format.) > > So - until the developers get this sorted - if we were able to > provide an authoritative, up-to-date guide to setting up embedded media, > we'd be doing a great service. (But it might be a seriously big job!) > > > Mac > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Chris Rowson wrote: > I have been reading with interest the various threads which have been > discussing problems with getting embedded media on websites working > properly. > > This IMO is one of the blockers for switching non tech-savvy people to > Ubuntu. They simply want to click on a realplayer link on the BBC site > and have it running in their browser straight away. > > It seems like there are a couple of other sites with issues too (I > think GMTV was mentioned) and I wondered if it'd be worth documenting > sites with issues, and figuring out what changes need to be made to a > system configuration to sort out the problems. > > Anyone interested? > > Chris > Hi folks >>> Lke Chris, I've been following this with interest, too. And I've been experimenting in parallel with Alan. I set up realplay a while ago (can't remember how, but do remember it was a tortuous and frustrating business). I discover - shadowing Alan - that the GMTV site streams Real video immediately, with no trouble at all; but BBC will only work if I select 'stand alone player'. This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in several different versions of the same apps. The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. As you say, Chris, this is a recipe for nightmares plus a hasty retreat to Windows for many non tech-savvy folk trying Ubuntu for the first time. (Quicktime is another story - I know: not Ubuntu's fault; but a pain for many previously used to playing an almost-industry-standard format.) So - until the developers get this sorted - if we were able to provide an authoritative, up-to-date guide to setting up embedded media, we'd be doing a great service. (But it might be a seriously big job!) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Hi Folks, I have been reading with interest the various threads which have been discussing problems with getting embedded media on websites working properly. This IMO is one of the blockers for switching non tech-savvy people to Ubuntu. They simply want to click on a realplayer link on the BBC site and have it running in their browser straight away. It seems like there are a couple of other sites with issues too (I think GMTV was mentioned) and I wondered if it'd be worth documenting sites with issues, and figuring out what changes need to be made to a system configuration to sort out the problems. Anyone interested? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
