Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
On 08/04/17 10:32, Liam Proven wrote: Finally, GNOME supports Wayland, which increasingly looks like the only future successor to X.11. X is very old and something newer and better is wanted by a lot of people. Does Enlightenment work on Wayland? Yes, although I haven't tried it. Wayland was announced as a replacement for X in Ubuntu before Mir was conceived. I'm not holding my breath. -- JimP -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
On 6 April 2017 at 19:42, Tony Pursell wrote: > I'm not too bothered about the desktop, although I am rather fond of Unity. > I am wondering, however, if Unity is dead and buried, or is it just Unity 8? Unity 7 is now maintenance-only. No new releases or features. It basically has been for some years now... -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
On 6 April 2017 at 18:22, Jim Price wrote: > Gnome3 wouldn't be my first choice of desktop to use to try and imitate > another one - that would be Enlightenment. Well, firstly, the SABDFL has said it will be GNOME, so it will be GNOME. Secondly, GNOME is still a very major desktop, basis of much of Unity anyway, and under active development. I was at the GUADEC GNOME developers' conference in Germany last summer and it's got a lot of people and interest. Enlightenment is niche and always has been. It offers no compelling advantages, just bling, IMHO. > Bodhi Linux uses it to come close Interesting. I don't see much resemblance myself. Also note that even Bodhi, the Enlightenment-on-Ubuntu remix, has forked Enlightenment 17 to make Moksha. When a desktop's flagship distro forks the desktop, it's a bad sign. But anyway, a desktop is more than a look & feel. Enlightenment and Moksha use EFL. GNOME uses GTK. GNOME 3 uses GTK 3, which is also the basis of Unity & Cinnamon, plus both XFCE and Maté are quickly moving to it. Finally, GNOME supports Wayland, which increasingly looks like the only future successor to X.11. X is very old and something newer and better is wanted by a lot of people. Does Enlightenment work on Wayland? > to looking like Gnome2 (only better), Interesting. I'd say the opposite, myself. > and there would be no problem > arranging the launchers down the left hand side (six position options in > that arrangement, plus autohide). That's fairly simple cosmetics. > I don't know if the hud and lenses etc. > would be easy to get going on another desktop. GNOME Shell is search-based, so yes, that aspect would be. Specific item-type searches, I don't know. The HUD is a very good point though. I personally hate that and when I can I disable it, but I guess it might have some fans. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
https://plus.google.com/u/0/110699558853693437587/posts/7RHujp9u7oW -- Tony Scott https://tonyscott.org.uk On 6 April 2017 at 18:55, alan auckland wrote: > What about maruos? > > Get Outlook for Android > > > > From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com > on behalf of Tony Pursell > > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 6:42:56 PM > To: UK Ubuntu Talk > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement > > I'm not too bothered about the desktop, although I am rather fond of Unity. > I am wondering, however, if Unity is dead and buried, or is it just Unity 8? > > I will be sad, however, if I have to give up on my Ubuntu phone. I know > that the Ubuntu phone is limited but I do find it best for routine stuff > like email, Facebook and BBC news. It's much more like having a computer in > my pocket than my Android phone (needed for banking app, for instance). It > already seems as though developers have given up on the phone, and this will > put them off even more. > > On 6 April 2017 at 17:29, David Goldsbrough > wrote: >> >> I hope for one of two things at least: >> >> some group of people will step forward and fork Unity as a Desktop >> Environment for use on desktop/laptops/notebooks >> that GNOME is as easy to configure for Low Vision users as Unity (large >> icons, large font, colours, etc) >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my Lenovo Thinkpad T410 running 64 bit Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
What about maruos? Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com on behalf of Tony Pursell Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 6:42:56 PM To: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement I'm not too bothered about the desktop, although I am rather fond of Unity. I am wondering, however, if Unity is dead and buried, or is it just Unity 8? I will be sad, however, if I have to give up on my Ubuntu phone. I know that the Ubuntu phone is limited but I do find it best for routine stuff like email, Facebook and BBC news. It's much more like having a computer in my pocket than my Android phone (needed for banking app, for instance). It already seems as though developers have given up on the phone, and this will put them off even more. On 6 April 2017 at 17:29, David Goldsbrough mailto:daveginb...@googlemail.com>> wrote: I hope for one of two things at least: * some group of people will step forward and fork Unity as a Desktop Environment for use on desktop/laptops/notebooks * that GNOME is as easy to configure for Low Vision users as Unity (large icons, large font, colours, etc) -- Sent from my Lenovo Thinkpad T410 running 64 bit Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
I'm not too bothered about the desktop, although I am rather fond of Unity. I am wondering, however, if Unity is dead and buried, or is it just Unity 8? I will be sad, however, if I have to give up on my Ubuntu phone. I know that the Ubuntu phone is limited but I do find it best for routine stuff like email, Facebook and BBC news. It's much more like having a computer in my pocket than my Android phone (needed for banking app, for instance). It already seems as though developers have given up on the phone, and this will put them off even more. On 6 April 2017 at 17:29, David Goldsbrough wrote: > I hope for one of two things at least: > >- some group of people will step forward and fork Unity as a Desktop >Environment for use on desktop/laptops/notebooks >- that GNOME is as easy to configure for Low Vision users as Unity >(large icons, large font, colours, etc) > > > -- > Sent from my Lenovo Thinkpad T410 running 64 bit Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
I hope for one of two things at least: - some group of people will step forward and fork Unity as a Desktop Environment for use on desktop/laptops/notebooks - that GNOME is as easy to configure for Low Vision users as Unity (large icons, large font, colours, etc) -- Sent from my Lenovo Thinkpad T410 running 64 bit Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
On 06/04/17 00:26, Tony Scott wrote: Does anyone know if it is possible through the use of extensions etc if it would be possible to recreate some or all of the Unity desktop experience in GNOME? If it is, I would propose this would be the way forward for the next LTS release. Gnome3 wouldn't be my first choice of desktop to use to try and imitate another one - that would be Enlightenment. Bodhi Linux uses it to come close to looking like Gnome2 (only better), and there would be no problem arranging the launchers down the left hand side (six position options in that arrangement, plus autohide). I don't know if the hud and lenses etc. would be easy to get going on another desktop. -- JimP. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
Just as I got Ubuntu Touch running on a Nexus 4 too. There has been a distinct feeling recently that alternative phone OSes are becoming more of a niche (if that's possible). It shouldn't take much for Gnome to look like Unity, but then again the question may be how far Canonical go with working on that. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood “Work as if you lived in the early days of a better nation.”—Alasdair Gray. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
Does anyone know if it is possible through the use of extensions etc if it would be possible to recreate some or all of the Unity desktop experience in GNOME? If it is, I would propose this would be the way forward for the next LTS release. -- Tony Scott https://tonyscott.org.uk On 5 April 2017 at 22:14, TT Mooney wrote: > Not all that surprising -- Phone/Touch never took off. Killing Unity is a > surprise, and I like the UI, but understandable. There was just too much of a > disconnect from the community. > > I still believe in convergence, but I don't pretend to know how it's going to > happen (I'm hoping my next-gen Psion has something to do with it). I do know > that Android isn't great, and we need a FOSS equivalent to Apple's > integration. > > On 05/04/2017 21:49, Liam Proven wrote: >> OK, not a tech query, but important Ubuntu news from the SABDFL >> >> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ >> >> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/ >> >> > > -- > > ** > > Travis Mooney > Technologist and Writer > +44 (0)7908631440 > Skype: ttmooney > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
Not all that surprising -- Phone/Touch never took off. Killing Unity is a surprise, and I like the UI, but understandable. There was just too much of a disconnect from the community. I still believe in convergence, but I don't pretend to know how it's going to happen (I'm hoping my next-gen Psion has something to do with it). I do know that Android isn't great, and we need a FOSS equivalent to Apple's integration. On 05/04/2017 21:49, Liam Proven wrote: > OK, not a tech query, but important Ubuntu news from the SABDFL > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ > > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/ > > -- ** Travis Mooney Technologist and Writer +44 (0)7908631440 Skype: ttmooney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Shock announcement
OK, not a tech query, but important Ubuntu news from the SABDFL https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/ -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
