Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
** Tony Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-03 02:03]: Paul Tansom wrote: [...] If you're wanting to have a play and/or are willing to take a risk (I've not checked the status recently) I seem to remember that the Linux BIOS project was able to run from a serial console. I keep thinking of trying it myself, but haven't had the time or spare motherboard to experiment with yet. Hello, Paul. Nice idea, but I'm too scared :-) I really can't afford to stuff up the BIOS on these servers! Ditto, and my production servers are just a pair of Celeron 533 boxes! - just my business and the family to support, so perfectly adequate for the job :) Since sending the email I've taken another look at their site and there seems to be a very small number of tested motherboards, and they seem to be from manufacturers like Tyan where you do wonder what the benefit would be (bar ideological) since I believe this would already be supported on many Tyan boards! [...] Any ideas how easy it is to do this using USB to USB? The traditional serial console is likely to be replaced in the not to distant future. I know it can be done, at least at one end, so probably at both. I've not investigated the sort of USB cable required though - either just one with the correct connections at each end, or a USB data transfer cable (as used for laplink and the like). I'm the wrong person to ask about that, because I can't even get my USB to RS232 adapter working under Linux: I only use it under Windows XP... I've not tried at all yet, although again, since my post, I've taken a look around and been quite interested in some USB to multiple serial ports cables that I've seen. That would do me for now given the age of my existing hardware - although since they do support USB as well I guess USB to USB would be the longer term solution :) I used an 'old' laptop with an RS232 port for this job previously, but I replaced it when its LCD display died. Having RS232 wasn't at the top of my list for a new laptop: Got an HP Pavilion dv5000 and a USB to RS232 adapter instead! Yes that's been on my todo list for a while, just never high enough to actually do it. It is undoubtedly (in theory, ignoring unexpected gotchas) fairly simple to do, but equally I've always found another way around things (or been lucky enough to always have a spare monitor and keyboard handy). ** end quote [Tony Travis] -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
You got a dressing room? Impressive! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Harrison Sent: 02 October 2007 11:11 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors Sorry - forgot to mention, ideally CHEAP. I'm aware of the £200ish touchscreens... I was hoping for something more at the digital photo frame price point. M. Mark Harrison wrote: Hi all, Slightly odd question. I have a couple of servers in my dressing room (yes, yes, I know) Most of the time, everything works fine over SSH, but once in a while, I need to take a keyboard / monitor to them. I wondered whether anyone knew of a SMALL TFT screen (like 7-8) that would take standard VGA/SVGA and let me display a console. (There is no GUI on either of these machines, so I don't need high resolution, just small size.) Any ideas? M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
On 02/10/2007, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry - forgot to mention, ideally CHEAP. I'm aware of the £200ish touchscreens... I was hoping for something more at the digital photo frame price point. Could you hack a digital photo frame? :-) Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Wouldnt the best idea be to use a VNC server? But there is always the options of those micro screens, you can get them to fit in 2 or 3 5.5inch bays in the front of machines. On 02/10/2007, Neil Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/10/2007, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry - forgot to mention, ideally CHEAP. I'm aware of the £200ish touchscreens... I was hoping for something more at the digital photo frame price point. Could you hack a digital photo frame? :-) Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
Mark Harrison wrote: Hi all, Slightly odd question. I have a couple of servers in my dressing room (yes, yes, I know) Most of the time, everything works fine over SSH, but once in a while, I need to take a keyboard / monitor to them. I wondered whether anyone knew of a SMALL TFT screen (like 7-8) that would take standard VGA/SVGA and let me display a console. (There is no GUI on either of these machines, so I don't need high resolution, just small size.) Any ideas? Hello, Mark. I'm interested in this too, but I've not decided which to buy. try a Google 'product' search e.g.: http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=portable+lcd+monitorbtnG=Searchhl=enshow=li Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
Kelkoo/ Scan/ Aria. On 02/10/2007, Tony Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Harrison wrote: Hi all, Slightly odd question. I have a couple of servers in my dressing room (yes, yes, I know) Most of the time, everything works fine over SSH, but once in a while, I need to take a keyboard / monitor to them. I wondered whether anyone knew of a SMALL TFT screen (like 7-8) that would take standard VGA/SVGA and let me display a console. (There is no GUI on either of these machines, so I don't need high resolution, just small size.) Any ideas? Hello, Mark. I'm interested in this too, but I've not decided which to buy. try a Google 'product' search e.g.: http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=portable+lcd+monitorbtnG=Searchhl=enshow=li Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 11:11 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: Sorry - forgot to mention, ideally CHEAP. I'm aware of the £200ish touchscreens... I was hoping for something more at the digital photo frame price point. M. Mark, I'm disappointed, true geeks do it 'blind' and hope they are typing the correct commands! :) Seriously tho, I would consider ebay - ie Item:180163351414 Kind Regards, Dave Walker signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Dave Walker wrote: Mark, I'm disappointed, true geeks do it 'blind' and hope they are typing the correct commands! :) Seriously tho, I would consider ebay - ie Item:180163351414 Kind Regards, Dave Walker Dave, Thanks for the link - I've bid, but the pricing is already up close to new, guaranteed, so dropped out. For the record, I am aware of Google / Kelkoo... the reason that I'm asking a human list on which I know there are people with similar setups to mine rather than using Google / Kelkoo is to get personal recommendation for a PRODUCT, not advice on which search engine to use! M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Mark Harrison wrote: [...] For the record, I am aware of Google / Kelkoo... the reason that I'm asking a human list on which I know there are people with similar setups to mine rather than using Google / Kelkoo is to get personal recommendation for a PRODUCT, not advice on which search engine to use! Hello, Mark. The link I posted was actually a Google product search, and the top items from which are what I'm currently considering for my own work. I hate being patronised too ;-) Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
Kris Douglas wrote: Kelkoo/ Scan/ Aria. Hello, Kris. I've just tried Kelkoo, but when I looked for Aria it said: No products found in Computers Software Was there a particular brand that you had in mind? I *wish* I could use a laptop for this job, but it's not as easy as you might think! Seems to be almost impossible to use a laptop's display on another PC - lots of discussion about this on other news groups, but I've not seen any real solution. I have to borrow a monitor and keyboard whenever I travel to places where I've got servers running 'headless'. It's not a problem borrowing kit most of the time, but it would still be convenient to have a nice little portable monitor with me. I take a USB RS232 serial adapter, so I can login on a server's RS232 serial port in an emergency! Thanks for suggesting Kelkoo, Tony. On 02/10/2007, *Tony Travis* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Harrison wrote: Hi all, Slightly odd question. I have a couple of servers in my dressing room (yes, yes, I know) Most of the time, everything works fine over SSH, but once in a while, I need to take a keyboard / monitor to them. I wondered whether anyone knew of a SMALL TFT screen (like 7-8) that would take standard VGA/SVGA and let me display a console. (There is no GUI on either of these machines, so I don't need high resolution, just small size.) Any ideas? Hello, Mark. I'm interested in this too, but I've not decided which to buy. try a Google 'product' search e.g.: http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=portable+lcd+monitorbtnG=Searchhl=enshow=li http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=portable+lcd+monitorbtnG=Searchhl=enshow=li Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net http://www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/YA+f8DfbL4oYbCRoRn0xH6Fa84tkg06VLlmvg4OF9R8ZtIWusRJW4Ik+E+leaMTT7VoO!iHiKeeBthr+3yd7dc3kU1DdznAMMx!ggGuamG4GDsN2tixHCxLBaaPBaTvKwK!N3VjL2GmuR+kW5n3P8jBIMaRXZWSOE!jluT8h64VrJP2N68RXQ9c8PAl3!a8OOCxAqfxTS88aSSv+2Os9nBqRVZ!!rMKK to report this email as spam. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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It's not a problem borrowing kit most of the time, but it would still be convenient to have a nice little portable monitor with me. I take a USB RS232 serial adapter, so I can login on a server's RS232 serial port in an emergency! Hey Tony, I know it's a bit off-topic, but thought I'd be cheeky and ask anyway! When you say that you can log onto a server's serial port, is that ability enabled automatically when you install Ubuntu? If I where to connect to a server serial port now, could i get a shell through it? Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Chris Rowson wrote: It's not a problem borrowing kit most of the time, but it would still be convenient to have a nice little portable monitor with me. I take a USB RS232 serial adapter, so I can login on a server's RS232 serial port in an emergency! Hey Tony, I know it's a bit off-topic, but thought I'd be cheeky and ask anyway! When you say that you can log onto a server's serial port, is that ability enabled automatically when you install Ubuntu? If I where to connect to a server serial port now, could i get a shell through it? Hello, Chris. It depends on what your BIOS can do more than anything else. If console output can be redirected to the RS32 port in the BIOS it's easy. The kernel doesn't know it's talking to the serial port initially. It's just doing BIOS calls, with i/o being redirected to the serial port by the BIOS itself. However, not all BIOS's support this (I'm using Tyan MB's). Logins on the serial ports are not enabled by default, but you can just uncomment the lines in /etc/inittab to enable them: # Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal) # #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 #T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100 In the good old days, this was the 'normal' way to login on servers :-) Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Thanks Tony, That's something new for me to play with :-) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
** Tony Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-02 13:56]: Chris Rowson wrote: It's not a problem borrowing kit most of the time, but it would still be convenient to have a nice little portable monitor with me. I take a USB RS232 serial adapter, so I can login on a server's RS232 serial port in an emergency! Hey Tony, I know it's a bit off-topic, but thought I'd be cheeky and ask anyway! When you say that you can log onto a server's serial port, is that ability enabled automatically when you install Ubuntu? If I where to connect to a server serial port now, could i get a shell through it? Hello, Chris. It depends on what your BIOS can do more than anything else. If console output can be redirected to the RS32 port in the BIOS it's easy. The kernel doesn't know it's talking to the serial port initially. It's just doing BIOS calls, with i/o being redirected to the serial port by the BIOS itself. However, not all BIOS's support this (I'm using Tyan MB's). If you're wanting to have a play and/or are willing to take a risk (I've not checked the status recently) I seem to remember that the Linux BIOS project was able to run from a serial console. I keep thinking of trying it myself, but haven't had the time or spare motherboard to experiment with yet. Logins on the serial ports are not enabled by default, but you can just uncomment the lines in /etc/inittab to enable them: # Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal) # #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 #T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100 Any ideas how easy it is to do this using USB to USB? The traditional serial console is likely to be replaced in the not to distant future. I know it can be done, at least at one end, so probably at both. I've not investigated the sort of USB cable required though - either just one with the correct connections at each end, or a USB data transfer cable (as used for laplink and the like). ** end quote [Tony Travis] -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Small TFT monitors....
Paul Tansom wrote: [...] If you're wanting to have a play and/or are willing to take a risk (I've not checked the status recently) I seem to remember that the Linux BIOS project was able to run from a serial console. I keep thinking of trying it myself, but haven't had the time or spare motherboard to experiment with yet. Hello, Paul. Nice idea, but I'm too scared :-) I really can't afford to stuff up the BIOS on these servers! [...] Any ideas how easy it is to do this using USB to USB? The traditional serial console is likely to be replaced in the not to distant future. I know it can be done, at least at one end, so probably at both. I've not investigated the sort of USB cable required though - either just one with the correct connections at each end, or a USB data transfer cable (as used for laplink and the like). I'm the wrong person to ask about that, because I can't even get my USB to RS232 adapter working under Linux: I only use it under Windows XP... I used an 'old' laptop with an RS232 port for this job previously, but I replaced it when its LCD display died. Having RS232 wasn't at the top of my list for a new laptop: Got an HP Pavilion dv5000 and a USB to RS232 adapter instead! Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
