Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
Roberto Sarrionandia wrote: On Sunday 04 March 2007 21:53:17 Benjamin Webb wrote: So, I've got a hardware firewall in my router, so I shouldn't need a software one. What about anti-virus software though? Is there any software that scans for Linux viruses, or do they all just check for windows ones? I'll make sure I use a different password for my Ubuntu install (I'm terrible for using the same password all the time at the moment). Thanks for all your help. Ben Webb There are no real Linux viruses. The Linux antiviruses scan for Windows viruses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses Admittedly, 14 compared to hundreds or thousands is *almost* zero... :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:45:41PM +, Wulfy wrote: Roberto Sarrionandia wrote: On Sunday 04 March 2007 21:53:17 Benjamin Webb wrote: So, I've got a hardware firewall in my router, so I shouldn't need a software one. What about anti-virus software though? Is there any software that scans for Linux viruses, or do they all just check for windows ones? I'll make sure I use a different password for my Ubuntu install (I'm terrible for using the same password all the time at the moment). Thanks for all your help. Ben Webb There are no real Linux viruses. The Linux antiviruses scan for Windows viruses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses Admittedly, 14 compared to hundreds or thousands is *almost* zero... :@) Ok, taking two of those totally at random. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L10n_worm - The L10n worm (usually pronounced lion) was a Linux worm that spread in 2001 by exploiting a buffer overflow in the BIND DNS server.. Ubuntu desktops don't run BIND by default, most people wouldn't even install it, and it's been fixed anyway! http://www.viruslist.com/en/viruses/encyclopedia?virusid=23864 - Mighty is an Internet worm that infects Linux machines running the popular Apache web server software. It does that by exploiting a vulnerability in the Secure Sockets Layer SSL mod_ssl interface code of the server which was originally reported on July 30, 2002, and listed by the Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) as the Vulnerability Note VU#102795. Ubuntu desktops don't ship with apache with openssl older than 0.9.7d. Whilst it is of course possible for newer viruses to come along, to cite those 14 as current might be somewhat misleading. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:46:50PM +, Wulfy wrote: Oh, I wasn't meaning to imply they were active or that they were a risk to *buntu desktops. It's just that the statement that there are no Linux viruses is misleading. How so? Fact is that there are current viruses for Windows, loads of them. And by current I mean viruses that still propogate even if you have all the latest updates for your operating system, and an effective firewall. It is generally accepted that you *need* AV software on Windows because there are current threats. Whilst i appreciate some people don't run any AV on windows for most users it is best practice to do so. Compare that situation with Linux. There are no *current* threats that I know of which are viruses targetting current versions of applications in any version of Ubuntu. That all the known vulnerabilities are fixed doesn't mean we're safe... just that we're comparatively safe as compared to Windows. What do you think an AV program does? It searches for known viruses. If there are no known viruses then what's the point in running one? I don't think an AV for Linux is required just yet.. :@) Agreed, lets hope it stats that way. I am not suggesting you are wrong, I just think that when someone stumbles over threads such as this they should get the full picture and not think that because there are 14 viruses in the distant past for Linux that they should automatically install AV software. It's a risk assessment that each person needs to take on their own systems. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
Wulfy wrote: Roberto Sarrionandia wrote: On Sunday 04 March 2007 21:53:17 Benjamin Webb wrote: So, I've got a hardware firewall in my router, so I shouldn't need a software one. What about anti-virus software though? Is there any software that scans for Linux viruses, or do they all just check for windows ones? I'll make sure I use a different password for my Ubuntu install (I'm terrible for using the same password all the time at the moment). Thanks for all your help. Ben Webb There are no real Linux viruses. The Linux antiviruses scan for Windows viruses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses Admittedly, 14 compared to hundreds or thousands is *almost* zero... :@) Should be 15. For some unaccountable reason, they didn't list that most dangerous exploit, the Honor Virus. - -- Forwarded message -- Subject: [blt] UNIX VIRUS - HONOUR SYSTEM YOUR HAVE NOW RECEVIED THE UNIX VIRUS - This virus works on the honour system: If you're running a variant of unix or linux, please forward this message to everyone you know and delete a bunch of your files at random. Anyone have a fix? ;) John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On 03/03/07, London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Phil, I have recently switched from Windows XP to Ubuntu on my desktop- I am using an Alcatel Speed Touch Pro router.(with one port) I have just bought a secondhand laptop which also has Ubuntu- and I was interested in the possibility of getting a router with more than one port-have you come across one? I see you mention it here but without any specs- so I was not sure if it was wishful thinking? Also can you tell me where I could purchase one? Thanks. Caroline (lsp) Hi Caroline, As mentioned previously, these do exist. The other possibility (which might be cheaper) is to keep your current router, and buy a switch (like the one that Ben originally gave a link to). Then you would plug the switch between the router and the PCs. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
So, I've got a hardware firewall in my router, so I shouldn't need a software one. What about anti-virus software though? Is there any software that scans for Linux viruses, or do they all just check for windows ones? I'll make sure I use a different password for my Ubuntu install (I'm terrible for using the same password all the time at the moment). Thanks for all your help. Ben Webb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On Sunday 04 March 2007 21:53:17 Benjamin Webb wrote: So, I've got a hardware firewall in my router, so I shouldn't need a software one. What about anti-virus software though? Is there any software that scans for Linux viruses, or do they all just check for windows ones? I'll make sure I use a different password for my Ubuntu install (I'm terrible for using the same password all the time at the moment). Thanks for all your help. Ben Webb There are no real Linux viruses. The Linux antiviruses scan for Windows viruses. ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On 04/03/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I've got a hardware firewall in my router, so I shouldn't need a software one. What about anti-virus software though? Is there any software that scans for Linux viruses, or do they all just check for windows ones? I'll make sure I use a different password for my Ubuntu install (I'm terrible for using the same password all the time at the moment). Thanks for all your help. Ben Webb ClamAV was mentioned earlier in the other thread -- that does primarily scan for Windows viruses, but it will also detect malicious Linux binaries (as well as other things, such as malicious PHP scripts). Earlier this evening, I happened to watch a video of a talk given by Bruce Schnier[1] in which he mentions the tradeoffs which come with security measures. In this case you're trading the CPU time required for scanning (most of which is spent looking for viruses which can't affect you) for peace of mind. The question you have to ask is, is it worth it? As a Linux user it isn't -- the risk of encountering an effective Linux virus is exceptionally small, and my computer runs slow enough as it is. That obviously doesn't apply to servers which handle files for Windows users (file servers, email, etc.). In that case ClamAV is very useful. But for a single desktop machine you're just wasting your own time. 1: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/schneier_on_vid.html -- Adam McMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On 03/03/07, London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/03/07, Philip Wyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/03/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Webb wrote: I am thinking about swithcing to ubuntu, Welcome! but I use an AOL ADSL modem to access the internet. This will not work well with linux (apparently the eccisadsl drivers may be uncompatible). Therefore, I a router to replace it with. I have found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-5-Port-100-Switch-SD205/dp/B000225CXG/ref=sr_1_75/203-8642488-2050310?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1172871998sr=1-75 This does not seem as if it includes an ADSL modem, it looks like just a switch only. I believe you are looking for an ADSL modem/router combination unit. This unit will have at least one ethernet out socket (port) to connect to your network card in the PC. Already answered this. Some units may have (more) 4 ports, which can be very useful in future when you also want to connect up a laptop temporarilty or the spare PC you can now use easily with linux(!) Expandability is a user preference. The mailer specified that he would be really only attaching one PC and had a specific budget. I did offer alternatives that were supported by his provider, but he stated he only had certain requirements and asked if a certain bit of hardware would do the job. Based on this I looked at the hardware providers manuals and gave an assessment. It is good to have the elements of hardware firewall that are included in most such modem/routers for example: Technical Details ADSL 2/2+ Modem Router Single port Stateful Packet Inspection firewall Cost Effective Solution MAC Address filtering Quick Setup Wizard (for the modem part, for windows software) You do not get similar 'firewall' protection when using a usb connection from the modem. The solwise unit mentioed elsewhere in this thread http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solwise-ADSL-SAR-600E-Single-ADSL2+-Router/dp/B000IB9R3C/ref=sr_1_8/203-8642488-2050310?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1172874514sr=1-8 looks like a nice item, although I see it has only a single port. It also does not specifically say that the setup menus may be accessed via a browser (web, HTTP) interface Even looking at the quick setup guide shows you there is access via a browser with the default username of 'admin' and password of 'admin'. snip Regards Phil Dear Phil, I have recently switched from Windows XP to Ubuntu on my desktop- I am using an Alcatel Speed Touch Pro router.(with one port) I have just bought a secondhand laptop which also has Ubuntu- and I was interested in the possibility of getting a router with more than one port-have you come across one? I see you mention it here but without any specs- so I was not sure if it was wishful thinking? Also can you tell me where I could purchase one? Thanks. Caroline (lsp) Hi Caroline, DSL modem routers with multiple ports are quite common. As I live in Bradford, I tend to shop at CCL for most of my kit and have never had an issue with level of service being very good. You can see a listing of DSL modem routers using the link below. http://www.cclonline.com/product-categories.asp?category_id=160 Personally... I still use an old DLINK that I have been using since DSL came out and until it dies I'm not going to rush to change it. :-) Regards Phil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
Dear Phil, I have recently switched from Windows XP to Ubuntu on my desktop- I am using an Alcatel Speed Touch Pro router.(with one port) I have just bought a secondhand laptop which also has Ubuntu- and I was interested in the possibility of getting a router with more than one port-have you come across one? I see you mention it here but without any specs- so I was not sure if it was wishful thinking? Also can you tell me where I could purchase one? http://www.linuxadsl.co.uk/ for all your linux-friendly broadband equipment. http://www.linuxadsl.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.browsecategory_id=6option=com_phpshopItemid=6 for routers, all with more than one ethernet port Happy customer, not employee, btw :) John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On 02/03/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about swithcing to ubuntu, but I use an AOL ADSL modem to access the internet. This will not work well with linux (apparently the eccisadsl drivers may be uncompatible). Therefore, I a router to replace it with. I have found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-5-Port-100-Switch-SD205/dp/B000225CXG/ref=sr_1_75/203-8642488-2050310?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1172871998sr=1-75 1) Is it a fairly decent deal (I want to buy new) 2) Will this work for what I want (just plugging the DSL into one socket and then plugging into the PC (Dell™ Dimension™ 5150C) using an ethernet cable). Thanks in advance, Ben Webb What you want to do is very dependant on your modem. If it does not support ethernet you cannot use it on the switch and by the looks of the spec it has no uplink WAN port. If you wish to buy a wired or wireless DSL modem router that will work and is also supported by AOL, you can get either of the following as a couple of examples of switches that include DSL modem that are not dependant on an OS or drivers. - Netgear DG834 - 4 port Wired Modem Router - Netgear DG834G - 4 port 54Mbps Wireless ADSL Modem Router http://info.aol.co.uk/broadband/homeNetworking.adp?promo=228937promoCode=228937#modemList Regards Phil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On 02/03/07, Philip Wyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/03/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about swithcing to ubuntu, but I use an AOL ADSL modem to access the internet. This will not work well with linux (apparently the eccisadsl drivers may be uncompatible). Therefore, I a router to replace it with. I have found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-5-Port-100-Switch-SD205/dp/B000225CXG/ref=sr_1_75/203-8642488-2050310?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1172871998sr=1-75 1) Is it a fairly decent deal (I want to buy new) 2) Will this work for what I want (just plugging the DSL into one socket and then plugging into the PC (Dell™ Dimension™ 5150C) using an ethernet cable). Thanks in advance, Ben Webb What you want to do is very dependant on your modem. If it does not support ethernet you cannot use it on the switch and by the looks of the spec it has no uplink WAN port. If you wish to buy a wired or wireless DSL modem router that will work and is also supported by AOL, you can get either of the following as a couple of examples of switches that include DSL modem that are not dependant on an OS or drivers. Netgear DG834 - 4 port Wired Modem Router Netgear DG834G - 4 port 54Mbps Wireless ADSL Modem Router http://info.aol.co.uk/broadband/homeNetworking.adp?promo=228937promoCode=228937#modemList Regards Phil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Thanks for the response. I currently use a USB modem which is why it will not work with Ubuntu, and I wanted to replace it with a router. However, I got the wrong item as I need an ASDL modem built in. What about this item instead: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solwise-ADSL-SAR-600E-Single-ADSL2%2B-Router/dp/B000IB9R3C/ref=sr_1_8/203-8642488-2050310?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1172874514sr=1-8 It is in more of my price range and I am probably only going to have 1 computer on the internet. Seeing as its using ethernet it will work with Ubuntu won't it? Thanks Ben Webb P.S. Any better deals would be appreciated. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thinking about switching to linux
On 02/03/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/03/07, Philip Wyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/03/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about swithcing to ubuntu, but I use an AOL ADSL modem to access the internet. This will not work well with linux (apparently the eccisadsl drivers may be uncompatible). Therefore, I a router to replace it with. I have found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-5-Port-100-Switch-SD205/dp/B000225CXG/ref=sr_1_75/203-8642488-2050310?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1172871998sr=1-75 1) Is it a fairly decent deal (I want to buy new) 2) Will this work for what I want (just plugging the DSL into one socket and then plugging into the PC (Dell™ Dimension™ 5150C) using an ethernet cable). Thanks in advance, Ben Webb What you want to do is very dependant on your modem. If it does not support ethernet you cannot use it on the switch and by the looks of the spec it has no uplink WAN port. If you wish to buy a wired or wireless DSL modem router that will work and is also supported by AOL, you can get either of the following as a couple of examples of switches that include DSL modem that are not dependant on an OS or drivers. Netgear DG834 - 4 port Wired Modem Router Netgear DG834G - 4 port 54Mbps Wireless ADSL Modem Router http://info.aol.co.uk/broadband/homeNetworking.adp?promo=228937promoCode=228937#modemList Regards Phil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Thanks for the response. I currently use a USB modem which is why it will not work with Ubuntu, and I wanted to replace it with a router. However, I got the wrong item as I need an ASDL modem built in. What about this item instead: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solwise-ADSL-SAR-600E-Single-ADSL2%2B-Router/dp/B000IB9R3C/ref=sr_1_8/203-8642488-2050310?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1172874514sr=1-8 It is in more of my price range and I am probably only going to have 1 computer on the internet. Seeing as its using ethernet it will work with Ubuntu won't it? Thanks Ben Webb P.S. Any better deals would be appreciated. Looking at the quick setup guide at: http://www.solwiseforum.co.uk/downloads/files/sar600e-qsg-vr1.pdf I can see no issue why this would not work. Regards Phil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
