Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 23/11/11 10:07, Steve Fisher wrote: I hate bottom posting, I don't want to scan/re-read a thread I have been following over and over. I always delete the original email I reply to and quote it where ever necessary. This is particularly bad if someone replies to a digest, I just give up! Some of the guys on my local LUG are totally obsessed with bottom posting and with HTML email, life is too short. Steve I try and post at the bottom under the text I am replying to, so if your e-mail has several points I try and answer under each one, as i think this keeps replies in context, however If I remember I try and delete a lot of the e-mail and just leave the relevent bits otherwise you end up with a huge e-mail Paul -- -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.ubuntu.com skype : psutton111 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 28/11/11 10:07, Colin Law wrote: On 28 November 2011 09:44, Jon Reynoldsmaill...@jcrdevelopments.com wrote: On Thu, November 24, 2011 19:36, Liam Proven wrote: Would you say your signature should be at the complete bottom, including all quoted text, or just after your immediate reply? I would say that if your signature is, almost literally, a signature (so your name and maybe one or two additional lines) then put it inline, as I do. Any more than this then put your name after your last line of posting, in order to terminate the posting and put the rest of the rubbish at the bottom so that nobody has to look at it (they never read it anyway so even better not to include it at all). I agree with the last part of what you said - if it's not relevant, get rid of it. Logically, then, your signature will be the last thing in your e-mail - so both at the complete bottom and just after your immediate reply are true. JT -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:jayte...@wyrddreams.org Programmer and Free Software advocate |Tel: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 29 November 2011 10:13, James Tait james.t...@wyrddreams.org wrote: On 28/11/11 10:07, Colin Law wrote: On 28 November 2011 09:44, Jon Reynoldsmaill...@jcrdevelopments.com wrote: On Thu, November 24, 2011 19:36, Liam Proven wrote: Would you say your signature should be at the complete bottom, including all quoted text, or just after your immediate reply? I would say that if your signature is, almost literally, a signature (so your name and maybe one or two additional lines) then put it inline, as I do. Any more than this then put your name after your last line of posting, in order to terminate the posting and put the rest of the rubbish at the bottom so that nobody has to look at it (they never read it anyway so even better not to include it at all). I agree with the last part of what you said - if it's not relevant, get rid of it. Logically, then, your signature will be the last thing in your e-mail - so both at the complete bottom and just after your immediate reply are true. That is only true if the last part of your reply is at the bottom. See my previous posting where I signed it, but left some of the previous post after my reply as it was still relevant to the message. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On Thu, November 24, 2011 19:36, Liam Proven wrote: Would setting the signature at the bottom be best practice? Yes. 4 lines, ideally, 5 at a push. Legal disclaimers are pointless and unenforcable so do not use them. Include some non-email contact details. Would you say your signature should be at the complete bottom, including all quoted text, or just after your immediate reply? What I mean is, in top-posting example: 1) My message body quoted previous message I am replying to my signature or 2) My message body my signature quoted previous message I am replying to -- Thanks and regards, Jon Reynolds (j0nr) http://www.jcrdevelopments.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 28 November 2011 09:44, Jon Reynolds maill...@jcrdevelopments.com wrote: On Thu, November 24, 2011 19:36, Liam Proven wrote: Would setting the signature at the bottom be best practice? Yes. 4 lines, ideally, 5 at a push. Legal disclaimers are pointless and unenforcable so do not use them. Include some non-email contact details. Would you say your signature should be at the complete bottom, including all quoted text, or just after your immediate reply? I would say that if your signature is, almost literally, a signature (so your name and maybe one or two additional lines) then put it inline, as I do. Any more than this then put your name after your last line of posting, in order to terminate the posting and put the rest of the rubbish at the bottom so that nobody has to look at it (they never read it anyway so even better not to include it at all). Colin What I mean is, in top-posting example: 1) My message body quoted previous message I am replying to my signature or 2) My message body my signature quoted previous message I am replying to -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
If a mailing list can get away with having a rule against top-posting then that's great, but most venues can't. Hi, is snipping what i just did? I.e. Select the stuff that is redundant delete it and post beneth? Would setting the signature at the bottom be best practice? Is there a tenical way to make your email work better at this? I know there is a setup somewhere in evolution to enable bottom posting but i have not found it in thunderbird. Sometimes mobile users are excused? -- Andrés Muñiz Piniella Sent from my Nokia N900 Please do not send microsoft office documents plain txt or pdf are prefered. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 24 November 2011 19:29, Andres andre...@gmail.com wrote: If a mailing list can get away with having a rule against top-posting then that's great, but most venues can't. Hi, is snipping what i just did? I.e. Select the stuff that is redundant delete it and post beneth? Yes, but leave attribution. In other words, who wrote what. Would setting the signature at the bottom be best practice? Yes. 4 lines, ideally, 5 at a push. Legal disclaimers are pointless and unenforcable so do not use them. Include some non-email contact details. Is there a tenical way to make your email work better at this? I don't understand. I know there is a setup somewhere in evolution to enable bottom posting but i have not found it in thunderbird. Er, I used to use T'bird for years. It always did it out of the box for me. Sometimes mobile users are excused? True, but the makers should be hounded until they fix their clients! -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 24/11/11 19:36, Liam Proven wrote: On 24 November 2011 19:29, Andresandre...@gmail.com wrote: If a mailing list can get away with having a rule against top-posting then that's great, but most venues can't. Hi, is snipping what i just did? I.e. Select the stuff that is redundant delete it and post beneth? Yes, but leave attribution. In other words, who wrote what. I think I got it this time because T-bird did it for me. Would setting the signature at the bottom be best practice? Yes. 4 lines, ideally, 5 at a push. Legal disclaimers are pointless and unenforcable so do not use them. Include some non-email contact details. Is mine OK? HTML or plain text? Is there a tenical way to make your email work better at this? I don't understand. I mean the snipping and deleting it is done manually. I am being lazy. I know there is a setup somewhere in evolution to enable bottom posting but i have not found it in thunderbird. Er, I used to use T'bird for years. It always did it out of the box for me. yes same for me. Guess i missed that. Deleted before answering: from Liam: True, but the makers should be hounded until they fix their clients! So with the N900 i do not get the options should I look for maemo bug report? Hopefully someone is keeping it alive somewhere. -- Andrés Muñiz Piniella http://www.linkedin.com/in/andresmp Scientist at the National Physical Laboratory: nanomaterials http://www.npl.co.uk/nanomaterials This is an email sent with Thunderbird on netbook with Ubuntu: 3.0.0-13-generic GNU/Linux twitter @NPL: http://www.npl.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 24/11/11 19:29, Andres wrote: I know there is a setup somewhere in evolution to enable bottom posting but i have not found it in thunderbird. In Account Settings Composition Addressing. mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
Hi All, I totally agree with and understand the logic behind the top posting argument. It makes perfect sense to have the flow of conversation chronologically downwards, so reading over a conversation is easy. But, as we all know, hardly anyone, except for mostly (can't back this up) computer nerds (in the most non-offensive way - I am one of course), actually practice it. Emails exchanged with anyone outside of computer mailing lists (in my experience) always follow a top-post method. I can understand why people do it, as they want the latest most recent answer to be the first thing you see when you open the email and even if you explain the reasoning behind this bad practice, most of the world seem to do it. Not sure where I am going with this post, just a bit of a rant I guess (an old one I am sure) but I find myself going against what I really want to do not to confuse people, or result in them thinking I am a bit stupid for replying at the bottom of an email, or even getting replies saying 'You sent me a blank message' (except for the quote) because they haven't thought to look down the bottom of the page. Do you make a point of bottom posting regardless of the recipient's style? Or do you just stay 'bothered' inside but think 'what's the point' and just top-post? Meh. -- Thanks and regards, Jon Reynolds (j0nr) http://www.jcrdevelopments.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 09:45 +, Jon Reynolds wrote: [...] Do you make a point of bottom posting regardless of the recipient's style? Or do you just stay 'bothered' inside but think 'what's the point' and just top-post? You're not alone :) I personally hate when the original mail has three questions and the top poster answers them without any context... it's like: yes, don't know, tomorrow morning. Whaaat? I don't try to convince anyone anymore, but I've found that it usually helps starting your reply with an answering inline note. So basically I answer as I please, not matter if everybody else top-posts. Nobody has ever complain because the way I reply mail, but if ever happens... $DEITY helps them! Regards, Juan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 23 Nov 2011, at 09:55, Juan J. Martínez wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 09:45 +, Jon Reynolds wrote: [...] Do you make a point of bottom posting regardless of the recipient's style? Or do you just stay 'bothered' inside but think 'what's the point' and just top-post? You're not alone :) I think that if more email composers offered an option for this, people would be less bothered about it I personally hate when the original mail has three questions and the top poster answers them without any context... it's like: yes, don't know, tomorrow morning. Whaaat? that's where interlaced replies like this come in handy I don't try to convince anyone anymore, but I've found that it usually helps starting your reply with an answering inline note. So basically I answer as I please, not matter if everybody else top-posts. Nobody has ever complain because the way I reply mail, but if ever happens... $DEITY helps them! # echo $DEITY # -- regards, Jacob Mansfield, Lead developer ja...@bluesapphiremedia.com Blue Sapphire Media reccomends a href=http://www.a2hosting.com/3244.html;A2 Hosting/a -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
I hate bottom posting, I don't want to scan/re-read a thread I have been following over and over. I always delete the original email I reply to and quote it where ever necessary. This is particularly bad if someone replies to a digest, I just give up! Some of the guys on my local LUG are totally obsessed with bottom posting and with HTML email, life is too short. Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 23 November 2011 09:45, Jon Reynolds maill...@jcrdevelopments.com wrote: Do you make a point of bottom posting regardless of the recipient's style? Or do you just stay 'bothered' inside but think 'what's the point' and just top-post? Bottom posting only makes sense when people cut the quoted text. If people are going to always leave the full original post, then top posting is better, IMHO. On a mailing list such as this, if I need to look back, the full thread is available. Here, bottom posting is better. At work, my boss may have a long back and forth with a supplier, and then suddenly include me with a 'What do you think?' type message. In that situation, I am glad that they have top posted, including all the old messages, as I can then look back and see what has already been covered by all parties. Horses for courses. -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
I use gmail which compiles all the individual emails into one conversation. This means unless you delete the original message I end up with eleventy five repeated posts! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
snip Do you make a point of bottom posting regardless of the recipient's style? Or do you just stay 'bothered' inside but think 'what's the point' and just top-post? I am not a computer nerd, just an 'old codger'. When I started to use email I was instructed to put my remarks after the lines upon which I was commenting and to snip out superfluous material. No further comment. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
The logical solution to this debate is to start the practice of sandwich posting, in which your reply is placed at the top, as per top posting, and then copied and pasted verbatim to the bottom, thereby bottom posting. Threads can then be read chronologically from the middle in either direction, making everyone equally confused. Or you could trim and quote as context requires. Alan On 23/11/11 10:10, Norman Silverstone wrote: snip Do you make a point of bottom posting regardless of the recipient's style? Or do you just stay 'bothered' inside but think 'what's the point' and just top-post? I am not a computer nerd, just an 'old codger'. When I started to use email I was instructed to put my remarks after the lines upon which I was commenting and to snip out superfluous material. No further comment. Norman The logical solution to this debate is to start the practice of sandwich posting, in which your reply is placed at the top, as per top posting, and then copied and pasted verbatim to the bottom, thereby bottom posting. Threads can then be read chronologically from the middle in either direction, making everyone equally confused. Or you could trim and quote as context requires. Alan -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On Wed, November 23, 2011 10:07, Philip Stubbs wrote: ...At work, my boss may have a long back and forth with a supplier, and then suddenly include me with a 'What do you think?' type message. In that situation, I am glad that they have top posted, including all the old messages, as I can then look back and see what has already been covered by all parties. Not sure I get this bit, wouldn't that be a great argument for bottom-posting? You suddenly get copied in on a conversation type email and have to make sense of the flow. Reading it from top to bottom in chronological order (like a conversation in a novel) would be easier. With top-posted back and forth type conversations, you have to go to the bottom, read, then scroll up, then read down, etc... -- Thanks and regards, Jon Reynolds (j0nr) http://www.jcrdevelopments.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
Lol, Good get-out clause Am I allowed to 'lol'? ;) On Wed, November 23, 2011 10:31, Alan Bell wrote: The logical solution to this debate is to start the practice of sandwich posting, in which your reply is placed at the top, as per top posting, and then copied and pasted verbatim to the bottom, thereby bottom posting. Threads can then be read chronologically from the middle in either direction, making everyone equally confused. Or you could trim and quote as context requires. Alan On 23/11/11 10:10, Norman Silverstone wrote: snip Do you make a point of bottom posting regardless of the recipient's style? Or do you just stay 'bothered' inside but think 'what's the point' and just top-post? I am not a computer nerd, just an 'old codger'. When I started to use email I was instructed to put my remarks after the lines upon which I was commenting and to snip out superfluous material. No further comment. Norman The logical solution to this debate is to start the practice of sandwich posting, in which your reply is placed at the top, as per top posting, and then copied and pasted verbatim to the bottom, thereby bottom posting. Threads can then be read chronologically from the middle in either direction, making everyone equally confused. Or you could trim and quote as context requires. Alan -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Lol, Good get-out clause Am I allowed to 'lol'? ;) -- Thanks and regards, Jon Reynolds http://www.jcrdevelopments.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 10:33 +, Jon Reynolds wrote: On Wed, November 23, 2011 10:07, Philip Stubbs wrote: ...At work, my boss may have a long back and forth with a supplier, and then suddenly include me with a 'What do you think?' type message. In that situation, I am glad that they have top posted, including all the old messages, as I can then look back and see what has already been covered by all parties. Not sure I get this bit, wouldn't that be a great argument for bottom-posting? You suddenly get copied in on a conversation type email and have to make sense of the flow. Reading it from top to bottom in chronological order (like a conversation in a novel) would be easier. With top-posted back and forth type conversations, you have to go to the bottom, read, then scroll up, then read down, etc... That's the beauty of enterprisey communications where lots of people are CCed and most of them barely understands email. Different people replies in different ways: plain text, HTML, some quote using '', others use colours, others a TAB (?), and others don't care and it's almost impossible to discern what's the original text and what's a reply. Add to this about a 60%-80% of useless text containing contact details and business disclaimers, and you've found hell. Is this a good argument for top-posting? It might be, but when someone asks you to join the conversation with a what do you think?, it's probably too late and it doesn't matter because most of the people being CCed are as lost as you are. Regards, Juan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
Jon Reynolds wrote: On Wed, November 23, 2011 10:07, Philip Stubbs wrote: ...At work, my boss may have a long back and forth with a supplier, and then suddenly include me with a 'What do you think?' type message. In that situation, I am glad that they have top posted, including all the old messages, as I can then look back and see what has already been covered by all parties. Not sure I get this bit, wouldn't that be a great argument for bottom-posting? You suddenly get copied in on a conversation type email and have to make sense of the flow. Reading it from top to bottom in chronological order (like a conversation in a novel) would be easier. With top-posted back and forth type conversations, you have to go to the bottom, read, then scroll up, then read down, etc... Only if they'd bottom posted all the time and never snipped, which would be infuraiating for everybody else already involved. In that sort of circumstance, the most convenient sane means is to always top post and leave everything intact underneath; the whole conversation is there under each email which nobody needs to see unless they want it. This is annoying on mailing lists where people generally are there from start to finish and volume is generally _much_ higher so that several-KB payload of just-in-case is bigger. It's also generally archived somewhere already so you never *need* it to catch up. Bottom-posting is great for preserving the context, but it only does so (reasonably) for one or two emails. If you're quoting three or four deep then you're probably doing something wrong. Really, neither makes much of a functional difference to how useful the email is so long as everyone's doing it much the same way. It's only when one or two people in a conversation insist on doing it differently that where the replies go matters, and even there the problem isn't preciely what people are doing, but the fact they're breaking the convention. -- Avi. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
Juan J. wrote: That's the beauty of enterprisey communications where lots of people are CCed and most of them barely understands email. Different people replies in different ways: plain text, HTML, some quote using '', others use colours, others a TAB (?), and others don't care and it's almost impossible to discern what's the original text and what's a reply. That's the real problem, really - only Humans are expected to discern between quotes and responses. Were there some standard means of denoting a quote, it wouldn't matter how you did it because, as with the text itself, the recipient could choose how to display it. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 23/11/11 10:10, Norman Silverstone wrote: snip I am not a computer nerd, just an 'old codger'. When I started to use email I was instructed to put my remarks after the lines upon which I was commenting and to snip out superfluous material... Being an old codger, too, I agree with Norman. The key is to be considerate to your reader: edit the quote so there is just enough to provide context (which is true for interlaced replies, too, where required). Top posting is then normally only necessary in enterprise e-mail where audit trails (=watching your back!) can be important. (And enterprises have so much server space that the ridiculous waste of storage caused by thousands of unedited, repetitious, 'House That Jack Built' e-mail chains doesn't matter, does it?) Like someone else in this thread, I just don't bother reading unedited exchanges where I have to scroll down 2000 lines to get to a bottom-posted, single-sentence comment. It's not considerate, and if you can't be bothered to edit, at least save your readers a lot of trouble by top-posting! mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 23/11/11 09:45, Jon Reynolds wrote: I totally agree with and understand the logic behind the top posting argument. It makes perfect sense to have the flow of conversation chronologically downwards, so reading over a conversation is easy. But, as we all know, hardly anyone, except for mostly (can't back this up) computer nerds (in the most non-offensive way - I am one of course), actually practice it. Emails exchanged with anyone outside of computer mailing lists (in my experience) always follow a top-post method. I can understand why people do it, as they want the latest most recent answe On public lists, most specifically technical lists and ones which are expected to contain details stuff, and probably in line comments, then I use conventional bottom posting. In line comments are valuable and bottom posting very suitable for various contributors to dip in and out of the thread efficiently. However, in personal emails, I usually use top posting. Even when I worked at a major utility company in a technical but non IT capacity, the practice was top posting, and anything needed specifically was pasted in separately. Earlier emails in the exchange were even sometimes held below out of the way, a bit like attachments. This always meant that even with some very lengthy threads (eg contract stuff), then only the most recent message was offered for immediate attention. In such threads, invariably with only one recipient and not in a multiple-reader forum where many people are intended to dip in and out of the thread, the recipient is familiar enough with the earlier content. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
On 23/11/11 11:01, Avi Greenbury wrote: Only if they'd bottom posted all the time and never snipped, which would be infuraiating for everybody else already involved. Well said! I get really annoyed when someone bottom posts a one-liner and I have to scroll down three screens full of old messages to see what they've said. Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting
Hi Jon, On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 09:45:44AM -, Jon Reynolds wrote: Do you make a point of bottom posting regardless of the recipient's style? Or do you just stay 'bothered' inside but think 'what's the point' and just top-post? I'm fairly confident that email will be dead—even in a corporate environment—before you will get everyone to agree on one style of reply. There are many examples in life of what is technically or logically correct and most efficient being rejected in favour of what is quickest or simplest, and this is one of them. You will make no friends in the workplace by forcing colleagues, customers and suppliers to interact with you in ways which they find unusual and which buck the established trend. For that reason I will start off writing an email properly but if I get a top-posted reply then my reply will be top-posted also. If a mailing list can get away with having a rule against top-posting then that's great, but most venues can't. Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting I remember the first time I made love. Perhaps it was not love exactly but I made it and it still works. -- The League Against Tedium -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
You can send googlemail in plaintext if you want (it's under the options, and it's how I'm sending this message). However, you have to remember every time you reply to a thread to strip out the little *quoted text* line that often appears under your replies. The entire thread is actually sitting under that innocuous little bit of text, but Google is smart enough to minimise it in the web client for ease of reading. Unfortunately when you reply it expands that *quoted text* line into the entire thread of the message... and I'm guessing but probably only other gmail webclient users are immune to this phenomenon... Pete -- 'In letters of gold, on a snow-white kite, I will write I Love You! And send it soaring high above you, for all to read!' RIP Billy M 1957-1997 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
2007/9/27, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You can send googlemail in plaintext if you want (it's under the options, and it's how I'm sending this message). However, you have to remember every time you reply to a thread to strip out the little *quoted text* line that often appears under your replies. The entire thread is actually sitting under that innocuous little bit of text, but Google is smart enough to minimise it in the web client for ease of reading. Unfortunately when you reply it expands that *quoted text* line into the entire thread of the message... and I'm guessing but probably only other gmail webclient users are immune to this phenomenon... Pete -- 'In letters of gold, on a snow-white kite, I will write I Love You! And send it soaring high above you, for all to read!' RIP Billy M 1957-1997 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Poor you who have to use googlemail... who was the one that owe's gmail? I'm lucky I got a @gmail.com... Very well... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
*** Please stop Top-Posting *** Two is fine How many sugars? I'd rather have coffee if possible. Coffee or tea? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:55 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: *** Please stop Top-Posting *** Two is fine How many sugars? I'd rather have coffee if possible. Coffee or tea? I was just about to ask what this list's policy on top/bottom posting was... Thanks for clearing that up -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 18:58:49 Alec Wright wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:55 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: *** Please stop Top-Posting *** Two is fine How many sugars? I'd rather have coffee if possible. Coffee or tea? I was just about to ask what this list's policy on top/bottom posting was... Thanks for clearing that up Someone should tell STONE COLD. Some of his emails aren't very readable in KMail either, but that's probably hotmail :( -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
Mark Fraser wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 18:58:49 Alec Wright wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:55 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: *** Please stop Top-Posting *** Two is fine How many sugars? I'd rather have coffee if possible. Coffee or tea? I was just about to ask what this list's policy on top/bottom posting was... Thanks for clearing that up Someone should tell STONE COLD. Some of his emails aren't very readable in KMail either, but that's probably hotmail :( His e-mails aren't very readable in thunderbird either. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 21:42 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: His e-mails aren't very readable in thunderbird either. Interesting, they look fine in Evolution. I wonder if this is an html formatting issue perhaps? Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:33:31 +0100 Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 21:42 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: His e-mails aren't very readable in thunderbird either. Interesting, they look fine in Evolution. I wonder if this is an html formatting issue perhaps? The new bit's look OK here[1], but the quotes are lacking in new lines in the plain text version - they do have line breaks in the HTML version of the message. Looks to be using BR in the HTML version and the text version is the HTML with the tags removed. [1] There might be line breaks going missing here too but I'm not noticing as there aren't s all over the place to highlight the fact. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can stop him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important. -- Martin Luther King Jr. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
Google mail is damn annoying. On 26/09/2007, Terence Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Pope wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 21:42 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: His e-mails aren't very readable in thunderbird either. Interesting, they look fine in Evolution. I wonder if this is an html formatting issue perhaps? Cheers, Al. I always disable HTML by default, but enabling it and reading some posts on this list (not just STONE COLD's) makes things quite difficult to read. (hint) I'm sure than in most, if not all, clients there's an option to send email as plain text. Terence -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
Although it has been requested that the subject of forums be dropped, I was thinking (yes dangerous I know), is it possible to build a forum style front end onto mailman? It already holds archives of every message made to the list. If we use a front end to mailman it will not be a separate communication, the group will not be divided. (Mailman it written in python, which I have yet to get around to learning, its on my todo list though, but things seem to rarely get done of my todos). I do believe there is something of the sort but: a) It's commercial b) It's expensive c) I can't remember what it's called Iirc, there is an open sores email to nntp gateway, and many nntp to web gateways... maybe that could work... Only got limited net access from here so I can't do much grepping... but I'll look into it tonight Mike -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
When I first joined the lug mailing list it was pointed out to me that I made several mistakes first of these was top posting. The reason is was given for this being wrong where put very simply. When a conversation is in flow it is harder to understand (for everyone else) what is being said when top posts are applied. This is partially because of the wonderful list sending a reply before a post. If however you add your comments under the original posters then it makes far more sense to everyone reading it. It was also put to me that you would listen to what someone said then add your comments if you were in a room talking so why not treat the list as though it were a transcript and therefore add your comments to their rather than over. From then on in the only time I have ever top posted has been when emailing a reply from my phone as it has no means of moving the post down. Then when I got home and could use my pc first thing I do is appologise for top posting. It is just more polite it also helps highlight points. --- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
I will just ask one more question, after all I said I am still receiving mail. Why ---Original Message--- From: John K Masters Date: 06/11/2006 19:08:28 To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) On Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 12:49:20PM GMT, Andywrote: I made a stupid mistake I openly admit that, I should have not said anything, I should have been more welcoming, I am sorry for my transgressions. Splitting or 'forking' the group due to the stupid actions of one person (me) is not going to benefit Ubuntu-UK is it? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
Ian wrote: I will just ask one more question, after all I said I am still receiving mail. Why /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ John K Masters mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Date:*/ 06/11/2006 19:08:28 /*To:*/ ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) On Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 12:49:20PM GMT, Andy wrote: I made a stupid mistake I openly admit that, I should have not said anything, I should have been more welcoming, I am sorry for my transgressions. Splitting or 'forking' the group due to the stupid actions of one person (me) is not going to benefit Ubuntu-UK is it? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 04/11/2006 17:30 Perhaps someone hates you ? smile -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
On 06/11/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will just ask one more question, after all I said I am still receiving mail. Why Have you followed the link at the bottom if each mail and unsubcribed? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk and scroll right to the bottom. You should recieve an email asking you to confirm the unsubscription and that should be the last mail you get from the list. -- email/jabber/msn/googletalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
Ian wrote: But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK. Indeed, I'm sure they do, but that doesn't negate the fact that in doing so *they* also make life very difficult for Digest subscribers... But the sarcastic response and the fact that you top posted again in your reply suggest that you are not a man who is about to instantly change his ways so I shall just leave you to ponder my example and see if you eventually see what I was trying to say. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
---Original Message--- From: Sean Miller Date: 11/05/06 08:11:13 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) Ian wrote: But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK. Indeed, I'm sure they do, but that doesn't negate the fact that in doing So *they* also make life very difficult for Digest subscribers... But the sarcastic response and the fact that you top posted again in Your reply suggest that you are not a man who is about to instantly Change his ways so I shall just leave you to ponder my example and see If you eventually see what I was trying to say. Sean Oh I change when its necessary and have for 72 years, but just to do so because someone said it should be so, is not my way. As for digest readers, I receive digests of seven lists and have never found it difficult to follow a thread up or down, just need practice. Oh by the way I un subbed twice but still receive. Perhaps your system is not working? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
Caroline Ford wrote: Well this is the only email list I'm on that is so aggressive to newbies. I wasn't trying to be aggressive... major apologies if you perceived me to be... was actually trying to explain to Ian why top posting can be an issue for some people... made a lot of effort to *not* sound aggressive or negative... that's why I spent the time creating the simple example of what it is like to read digests when people continually top post. I'm becoming increasingly unimpressed by the regulars here.# Storm in a teacup, I think. Ian should be aware that he is very welcome here... he has had a lot of useful input on his various issues (eg. ADSL modems etc.) and should not feel victimised. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
I hate top posting ;) On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 07:02 +, Ian wrote: But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK. ---Original Message--- From: Sean Miller Date: 05/11/2006 05:10:03 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-UK] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) Ian wrote: You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. Just to explain for a moment, Ian, why people feel so passionately at Times about top posting in an e-mail list and as a result sometimes we Can end up with situations like this where one person feels victimised Or the like... Imagine yourself as a Digest subscriber to the list. You will get one E-mail daily with all the posts in. Imagine then that there is a big Issue going on and many posts are on one thread. If we take a Conversation thus... Mike: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. Bob: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob: Midday? Mike: Great! Seeya there Easy enough isn't it? Right... let's imagine they all top post... what's The digest going to look like? 10:15am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.20am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.25am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.26am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.28am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great, Seeya there! Bob wrote: Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. ...and that was *such* a simple conversation. Imagine a technical Discussion. Please understand, Ian, nobody is trying to drive anybody else off this List. I believe the request to be simply saying *try* to think about making it Easy for the other readers when you post. It literally only takes a few Seconds to snip out the bits you're replying to but it could save those Reading the digest hours when trying to make head or tail of a conversation. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- +++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk As far as I'm aware, top-level .uk domains aren't available; you need to go for plabnetubuntu.co.uk, planetubuntu.org.uk or similar Robert -- rkd on irc.freenode.net https://launchpad.net/people/rkd (also the source for my public key) pgpVCKVEZlhyT.pgp Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
Robert K. Day wrote: The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk As far as I'm aware, top-level .uk domains aren't available; you need to go for plabnetubuntu.co.uk, planetubuntu.org.uk or similar Robert Yeah sorry robert it was a typo, should have been co.uk. Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 15:39 +, Paul Mellors wrote: Hi all Just because people want it, although not everyone, i'm setting up an unnoficial ubuntu-uk forum. Please can you send me off list, so not to upset anyone, a list of catagories that people would want. I don't want to upset the flow, of ubuntu-uk, but if people want a forum, i'll set one up. If someone else has done it, the also let me know i'm not wasting my time. The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk I'm hoping this will be a partner project with the mailing list and not a substitue. Cheers Paul Two things - if we have a forum we need to have one on the official forums - having one on its own domain will guarantee that it won't be used. You shouldn't register your own Ubuntu domain - domains with ubuntu in should be centrally managed as we've already has problems with domain ownership which have needed the community council to get involved in. http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy gives the official position. Where possible, we ask that Ubuntu related domain ownership be held by Canonical Limited or a Canonical-authorised organisation. Please ask for a trademark license before registering a domain which incorporates the Ubuntu name. In most cases, we will sponsor registration fees for approved domains, and leave technical administrative control in the hands of the website operator. Calling it a planet also confuses matters as people think of planets as blog collectors. Caroline -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 03:39:01PM +, Paul Mellors wrote: Just because people want it, although not everyone, i'm setting up an unnoficial ubuntu-uk forum. I'd strongly recommend against that. Not because of my opposition to forums - but if we have them then IMO they should be on the official site. It won't have integration with the official forums so will mean yet *another* username/password and domain to register on. If someone else has done it, the also let me know i'm not wasting my time. Whilst in many communities I've seen people just do it and it work, in this case where there is plenty of ongoing discussion about the topic and an already standing offer to make a forum on the official site I would say this is a waste of your time/money. The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk Ooooh no it wont :) Planet gives confusion too. That's a bad name to use given planet.ubuntu.com and the Ubuntu-uk planets. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
Quoting Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 03:39:01PM +, Paul Mellors wrote: Just because people want it, although not everyone, i'm setting up an unnoficial ubuntu-uk forum. I'd strongly recommend against that. Not because of my opposition to forums - but if we have them then IMO they should be on the official site. It won't have integration with the official forums so will mean yet *another* username/password and domain to register on. If someone else has done it, the also let me know i'm not wasting my time. Whilst in many communities I've seen people just do it and it work, in this case where there is plenty of ongoing discussion about the topic and an already standing offer to make a forum on the official site I would say this is a waste of your time/money. The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk Ooooh no it wont :) Planet gives confusion too. That's a bad name to use given planet.ubuntu.com and the Ubuntu-uk planets. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ ok i'll put my forum idea on the back burner :) Cheers Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
Ian wrote: You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. Just to explain for a moment, Ian, why people feel so passionately at times about top posting in an e-mail list and as a result sometimes we can end up with situations like this where one person feels victimised or the like... Imagine yourself as a Digest subscriber to the list. You will get one e-mail daily with all the posts in. Imagine then that there is a big issue going on and many posts are on one thread. If we take a conversation thus... Mike: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. Bob: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob: Midday? Mike: Great! Seeya there Easy enough isn't it? Right... let's imagine they all top post... what's the digest going to look like? 10:15am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. 10.20am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. 10.25am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. 10.26am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. 10.28am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great, Seeya there! Bob wrote: Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. ...and that was *such* a simple conversation. Imagine a technical discussion. Please understand, Ian, nobody is trying to drive anybody else off this list. I believe the request to be simply saying *try* to think about making it easy for the other readers when you post. It literally only takes a few seconds to snip out the bits you're replying to but it could save those reading the digest hours when trying to make head or tail of a conversation. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK. ---Original Message--- From: Sean Miller Date: 05/11/2006 05:10:03 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-UK] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) Ian wrote: You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. Just to explain for a moment, Ian, why people feel so passionately at Times about top posting in an e-mail list and as a result sometimes we Can end up with situations like this where one person feels victimised Or the like... Imagine yourself as a Digest subscriber to the list. You will get one E-mail daily with all the posts in. Imagine then that there is a big Issue going on and many posts are on one thread. If we take a Conversation thus... Mike: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. Bob: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob: Midday? Mike: Great! Seeya there Easy enough isn't it? Right... let's imagine they all top post... what's The digest going to look like? 10:15am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.20am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.25am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.26am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.28am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great, Seeya there! Bob wrote: Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. ...and that was *such* a simple conversation. Imagine a technical Discussion. Please understand, Ian, nobody is trying to drive anybody else off this List. I believe the request to be simply saying *try* to think about making it Easy for the other readers when you post. It literally only takes a few Seconds to snip out the bits you're replying to but it could save those Reading the digest hours when trying to make head or tail of a conversation. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
