Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
> Chris Rowson wrote: > > It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it that counts ;-) > > > Right now I'm not doing much with it (Perl, most web technologies but > not Java, sometimes sysadmin, and occasional C/Bash/Awk/Sed), due to > lack of gainful employment. Until this changes, I'm open to suggestions > that will benefit Ubuntu and utilize my skill set. I was being a wee bit flippant ;-) To be fair though - availability of gainful employment seems to depend somewhat on your skillset and how much you're willing to work for. For instance - I'm not currently working in a techie role, after being asked to work within different role instead. I might be a techie at heart, but being able to turn my hand to another role helped keep me in a job in the IT dept. I thought about what you said re lack of gainful employment, so just did a quick employment search on http://base.google.co.uk/ Admittedly, given that Linux is my 'second language' if you like, I wasn't looking for Linux jobs in particular, but having had some Microsoft training I can always fall back on that. Looking around there seemed to be a few jobs for people with those kind of skills. Do you think that perhaps the reason you're finding it hard finding a job could be because you want something very specific. There are a few jobs out there for web developers, are you looking for something different? Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
Chris Rowson wrote: > It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it that counts ;-) > Right now I'm not doing much with it (Perl, most web technologies but not Java, sometimes sysadmin, and occasional C/Bash/Awk/Sed), due to lack of gainful employment. Until this changes, I'm open to suggestions that will benefit Ubuntu and utilize my skill set. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
Chris Rowson wrote: > It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it that counts ;-) > I think the country has changed in the past 20-30 years, and that is part of it... I started in IT after my 'A' Levels when I secured a job as a trainee programmer and proceeded to work for the best part of 20 years for relatively large companies, along the way managing to be part of the team that implemented the first UK production customer implementation of Oracle 7 (over New Year 1992/1993)... in the 80s it wasn't presupposed that to be a programmer you'd necessary do the University/Poly route... and I certainly did very well between the ages of 18 and 22 financially when others were struggling as students. Upon reflection, I think I'd probably have rather enjoyed the student life, but at the time I was happy doing what I was doing. I am now effectively self-employed doing sub-contracts in php/mySQL and other database tasks, along with some website design and implementation, and I am fairly happy with that. I have done the whole interview scene and it's depressing... I discovered that in your late 30s and with 20 years' experience nobody wants you... you're potentially too expensive (even if you don't ask for money the perception is that you'll move on quickly if it isn't there)... it's cheaper to get graduates, so I sympathise with the original sentiments of this thread. But, I'd suggest, if you're good enough get out there and "make your own reality"... nobody can do it but you. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it that counts ;-) Chris. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
Rhys Morgan wrote: > > Sorry did not mean to be arrogant, like I said it was just a rant really > i have been searching for weeks for jobs which from experience i have > done better quicker and more competently than people who have degree > level qualifications and falling at every hurdle some would say its my > own fault for not going to university and gaining said qualifications > but at that age I decided to join the parachute regiment instead and now > have a wife and baby ( wife is in uni studying to be a midwife ) so > its not viable for me to go back to education. > > Anyway apologies to any CS grads that I have upset I was not presuming > to be better than you just speaking from the experience of CS grads I > have met in the past ( and their errors I've had to correct ) > Rhys, I have degrees in "Mathematics and Computation", so I'm _almost_ one of the "CS Grads" in question :-) I personally wasn't offended by your rant. I too have met many people who I consider excellent in IT - some of whom have no academic qualifications (but, of course, some who do.) In part, I agree with the sentiment - at the risk of making a sweeping generalisation, those of us who studied IT at University almost 20 years ago were, compared with those going off to Uni this week: - A) a far smaller percentage of our age group, and - B) typically more motivated by a fascination in understanding how to make things works than in the income prospects that such a degree might bring about :-) Obviously, many currently studying IT are motivated just as we are, but, from anecdotal evidence, no longer represent 100% of those on such courses. As an aside to others on the list, if you ARE about to start Uni - WELL DONE - I applaud your decision, and hope it works out for you - by virtue of being on this list you've already demonstrated a "vocation"... however, expect to meet people on your course who are doing it because they think it's where the big bucks lie [1]. As an aside to others of that age-group on the list, if you are about to start something OTHER than Uni - WELL DONE - I applaud your decision, and hope it works out for you. However, I would caution you, when applying for jobs, to make comments like that on an open list. The manager who is about to interview you may well BE a CS grad, and take personal offence, and count this against you. (Heh, I've met some IT Managers who had IT degrees who I wouldn't trust to run a whelk stall [2].) On the flip side, however, you may find that someone reading this shares your views and IS in a position to offer you a job - so it may all work out. The general principle of "don't slag off a large part of your potential customer-base [3] on a forum that is easily readable by Google" holds though :-) Regards, PS - under the circumstances, I'll write it out some letters so you know my biases :-) Mark Harrison, BA, MA, MBCS NOTES: [1] - it isn't particularly, BTW, but that's another subject for another day. [2] - I'm a better entrepreneur than I am a manager, BTW, see point [1] above :-) [3] - I tend to use the word "customer" in the sense of "anyone who you might potentially provide a service to, or who has the ability to influence such a buying decision", and class "hire" as a special case of "buy"... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> i have more >> computer related intellect than the majority of comp science degree grads. >> > > No offense, but saying things like that does not get you a job and > does not make you automatically better than people with CS degree's. > > Regards, > > Sorry did not mean to be arrogant, like I said it was just a rant really i have been searching for weeks for jobs which from experience i have done better quicker and more competently than people who have degree level qualifications and falling at every hurdle some would say its my own fault for not going to university and gaining said qualifications but at that age I decided to join the parachute regiment instead and now have a wife and baby ( wife is in uni studying to be a midwife ) so its not viable for me to go back to education. Anyway apologies to any CS grads that I have upset I was not presuming to be better than you just speaking from the experience of CS grads I have met in the past ( and their errors I've had to correct ) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
> i have more > computer related intellect than the majority of comp science degree grads. No offense, but saying things like that does not get you a job and does not make you automatically better than people with CS degree's. Regards, -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 02:36 +0100, Rhys Morgan wrote: > > Anyway rant over but if anyone could remind me of the url i would be > much appreciative. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-September/006930.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs
Hi, Going back a few days i remember someone posting a website for ubuntu jobs i am currently looking for an IT ( preferably unix/linux ) related job and am having great difficulty due to lack of qualifications. Hoping to find an employer that will give me a chance to show them i have more computer related intellect than the majority of comp science degree grads. Anyway rant over but if anyone could remind me of the url i would be much appreciative. Regards Rhys -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
