Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 23:10 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > Steve, > > Steve Cook wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 18:28 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > >> BTW, anyone else had trouble with CD burning after upgrading? > > > > Yep! > > just spent an 'orrible evening trying to get Hardy to do something > > sensible with CD-RWs. > > I've seen a bug reported about this, but no solutions so far. I think I > saw a comment suggesting the problem does not exist after a fresh > install, hence I might go down that route this week-end. > Tried my last CD-R and a DVD, both claim to be OK but will not boot. I would like to do a clean install but as I can't get a working CD not sure how I can do this. Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Hi, Pete Stean wrote: > I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that > definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at > least in my part of London - from early morning right through to early > evening on weekdays, popular torrents will saturate my connection but > will start slowing down at around 6pm and won't pick up speed again > until the early hours. I've observed this behaviour several times over > the last few weeks, all on popular torrents with thousands of seeds > and leechers :\ not good BT will throttle you to ~1Mb/s between 6pm -> midnight on weekdays if they feel you have broken their fair use policy. This applies to all protocols. I am currently waiting to see if the throttle is permanent or on a month by month basis (In this particular case I happened to transfer ~150GB of backup data from a co-located machine to my home). Regards Huw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
> > To be honest, I think that if I pay my ISP a reasonable amount (£25 > atm), as long as I don't take the micky with the amount I download, I > should be able to utilise whichever services I require. > > I'm still shaped heavily despite spending all that cash and > transferring less than 10 Gig a month (usually around 6). > > That aint fair! > > Chris > Well, the alternative is a permanently slow connection because a minority of people are takers not givers. Obviously everyone on this list excluded. :-) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
> > Indeed ISPs don't care about port numbers (and why should they?). They > inspect packets and throttle bandwidth hoggers (this is termed packet > shaping). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping > > I'm glad they do this because that means that most people's primary use of > the internet is not affected (email, web) by bandwidth hoggers downloading > gigs on bittorrent. As the years go by and pipes get fatter, hopefully one > day this will be a thing of the past. > To be honest, I think that if I pay my ISP a reasonable amount (£25 atm), as long as I don't take the micky with the amount I download, I should be able to utilise whichever services I require. I'm still shaped heavily despite spending all that cash and transferring less than 10 Gig a month (usually around 6). That aint fair! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Mark Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indeed ISPs don't care about port numbers (and why should they?). They > inspect packets and throttle bandwidth hoggers (this is termed packet > shaping). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping > This would be why my ISP at one point were throttling IM (that is, Jabber), SSH and telnet? :) Jabber was not on their whitelist, SSH was encrypted and therefore couldn't be whitelisted through inspection (and yes, this actually prevented large web pages loading over HTTPS), telnet the same. When I say throttling, they actually ensured that the connection died after X amount of data was transferred. Thankfully they just do normal limiting now, and my speed drops for all ports and protocols during popular hours. > I'm glad they do this because that means that most people's primary use of > the internet is not affected (email, web) by bandwidth hoggers downloading > gigs on bittorrent. As the years go by and pipes get fatter, hopefully one > day this will be a thing of the past. > I can't say I'm glad, since I don't use BitTorrent and the likes, and I still got punished. Who decides what is a priority and what is not? I don't believe you can judge that just from the protocols. (Ironically during the time mentioned above I was able to download Linux ISOs at full speed over HTTP). Matthew. PS. I just realised that ISPs aren't the original topic of this thread, and I do want to contribute to the original topic :) I always do a fresh install, preserving my home directory (which is on a separate partition). Installation takes no time, and I have all my documents and settings as before. The only thing to do is reinstall applications as and when I find I want them. It's a nice excuse for a fresh start every 6 months :) I also like the Hardy wallpaper... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Pete, > > > > Pete Stean wrote: > > > I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that > > > definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at > > > least in my part of London - from early morning right through to early > > > evening on weekdays, popular torrents will saturate my connection but > > > will start slowing down at around 6pm and won't pick up speed again > > > until the early hours. I've observed this behaviour several times over > > > the last few weeks, all on popular torrents with thousands of seeds > > > and leechers :\ not good > > > > I know that my ISP, Pipex, throttles bittorrent to 20kb/s, which makes > > it useless! I've not tried playing around with non standard ports, which > > might help. > > > > Also, try enabling encrypted connections in your bittorent client. Some > ISPs perform packet inspection and will throttle your bandwidth when they > see bittorent related packets flying by. Encrypting your bittorent traffic > hides it from them > > http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs#United_Kingdom > > Chris > Indeed ISPs don't care about port numbers (and why should they?). They inspect packets and throttle bandwidth hoggers (this is termed packet shaping). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping I'm glad they do this because that means that most people's primary use of the internet is not affected (email, web) by bandwidth hoggers downloading gigs on bittorrent. As the years go by and pipes get fatter, hopefully one day this will be a thing of the past. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Chris, Chris Rowson wrote: > Also, try enabling encrypted connections in your bittorent client. Some > ISPs perform packet inspection and will throttle your bandwidth when > they see bittorent related packets flying by. Encrypting your bittorent > traffic hides it from them Which BitTornado, the client I use, does not support, AFAIK. Not sure about Transmission. I can get over the problem by setting up a VPN between home and work and then down loading! > http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs#United_Kingdom Hmm, this says that Pipex throttles encrypted traffic too! I know they do not for VPN traffic! I'll just download stuff at work where we have loads of bandwidth. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Steve, Steve Cook wrote: > On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 18:28 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: >> BTW, anyone else had trouble with CD burning after upgrading? > > Yep! > just spent an 'orrible evening trying to get Hardy to do something > sensible with CD-RWs. I've seen a bug reported about this, but no solutions so far. I think I saw a comment suggesting the problem does not exist after a fresh install, hence I might go down that route this week-end. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 18:28 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > BTW, anyone else had trouble with CD burning after upgrading? Yep! just spent an 'orrible evening trying to get Hardy to do something sensible with CD-RWs. steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pete, > > Pete Stean wrote: > > I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that > > definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at > > least in my part of London - from early morning right through to early > > evening on weekdays, popular torrents will saturate my connection but > > will start slowing down at around 6pm and won't pick up speed again > > until the early hours. I've observed this behaviour several times over > > the last few weeks, all on popular torrents with thousands of seeds > > and leechers :\ not good > > I know that my ISP, Pipex, throttles bittorrent to 20kb/s, which makes > it useless! I've not tried playing around with non standard ports, which > might help. > Also, try enabling encrypted connections in your bittorent client. Some ISPs perform packet inspection and will throttle your bandwidth when they see bittorent related packets flying by. Encrypting your bittorent traffic hides it from them http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs#United_Kingdom Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Andrew Oakley wrote: > The secret is, prior to upgrading, slim down your install to official > packages only. [snip] > Most upgrade horror stories appear to be related to packages not in the > official Ubuntu repos. That's great advice from all you guys - it's really appreciated. -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Pete, Pete Stean wrote: > I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that > definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at > least in my part of London - from early morning right through to early > evening on weekdays, popular torrents will saturate my connection but > will start slowing down at around 6pm and won't pick up speed again > until the early hours. I've observed this behaviour several times over > the last few weeks, all on popular torrents with thousands of seeds > and leechers :\ not good I know that my ISP, Pipex, throttles bittorrent to 20kb/s, which makes it useless! I've not tried playing around with non standard ports, which might help. But it work where I have more bandwidth than you can shake a stick at, I get varying results. Much seems to depend on the number of seeds etc and their download speed. BTW, anyone else had trouble with CD burning after upgrading? Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Stephen O'Neill wrote: > I have been very tempted to do a fresh install too - tracker never > seemed to work for me and I'm convinced that I'm not getting 100% > shinyness having upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy and now Hardy through the > various hacks/workarounds that I've done along the way. > > What do others think? - am I being needlessly paranoid, will I do the > 'fresh install' and end up being disappointed given that everything > currently seems to 'work'? Maybe 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'? The secret is, prior to upgrading, slim down your install to official packages only. What I did, when upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy, which seemed to work VERY successfully, was to use Synaptic Package Manager - Origin button to identify any packages which are not on the official Ubuntu repositories, and where possible REMOVE THEM. Then do the upgrade. Then, once the upgrade is complete and working okay, reinstall any unofficial packages. Most upgrade horror stories appear to be related to packages not in the official Ubuntu repos. For example, I removed AWN (Avant Window Navigator) prior to the upgrade, as this was from a non-official source. The deborphan command is also useful, it identifies packages which do not have any other packages dependent on them. By default it just lists unused libraries, but it can be used to identify all top-level packages on your system. -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
No Steve, if it's not to much trouble to reconfigure your system the way you want it, I would do a fresh install. >From my experience last night, a fresh, newly-installed Hardy using the release CD is far and away faster and slimmer than the accreted mass I'd accumulated over a couple of months. Honestly, I was quite startled by the difference in speed and performance (in fact the first thing that struck me, and I hope you get what I'm referring to here, is that the start-up orange progress bar and ubuntu logo were much smaller and thinner than they had been before - evidently at the right resolution to match my screensize of 1680x1050, which had *never* been the case previously) Pete Check out the blog @ http://thelondoneer.blogspot.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Stephen O'Neill wrote: > Tony Arnold wrote: >> I've been the same and am sore;y tempted to re-install from scratch. > > > I have been very tempted to do a fresh install too - tracker never > seemed to work for me and I'm convinced that I'm not getting 100% > shinyness having upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy and now Hardy through the > various hacks/workarounds that I've done along the way. > > What do others think? - am I being needlessly paranoid, will I do the > 'fresh install' and end up being disappointed given that everything > currently seems to 'work'? Maybe 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'? Hello, Stephen. I upgraded my laptop from 6.06.1 LTS -> 7.10 -> 8.04 LTS and both upgrades worked fine except for Tracker (now disabled) and Evolution Data Server (now disabled Evolution Alarm Notifier). However, I think both of these have been flagged up by people doing clean installs. One tip that I would recommend to *everyone* is to make sure the APT database on your Ubuntu is consistent before upgrading using: aptitude -f install The '-f' means try hard to fix broken packages, and NO packages are specified for installation. I also recommend using 'dummy' aptitude installs if, for some reason, you have to install using apt-get or dpkg. The Debian recommended way of installing packages from the command-line now is to use "aptitude" instead of "apt-get". It's more robust, and it removes orphaned packages. I suspect that some of the upgrade problems people have been reporting are because the APT database on the systems are inconsistent. Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
2008/4/28 Stephen O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > What do others think? - am I being needlessly paranoid, will I do the > 'fresh install' and end up being disappointed given that everything > currently seems to 'work'? Maybe 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'? > > -- After going Gutsy>Hardy, I got the usual batch of niggles. I re-installed from CD yesterday. I have a separate home partition, and the install took less than 2 hours, including downloading the ISO. Things appear to be now working fully and shiny-ly :) Just my personal experience this time around. -- Steve Garton http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Tony Arnold wrote: > I've been the same and am sore;y tempted to re-install from scratch. I have been very tempted to do a fresh install too - tracker never seemed to work for me and I'm convinced that I'm not getting 100% shinyness having upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy and now Hardy through the various hacks/workarounds that I've done along the way. What do others think? - am I being needlessly paranoid, will I do the 'fresh install' and end up being disappointed given that everything currently seems to 'work'? Maybe 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'? -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at least in my part of London - from early morning right through to early evening on weekdays, popular torrents will saturate my connection but will start slowing down at around 6pm and won't pick up speed again until the early hours. I've observed this behaviour several times over the last few weeks, all on popular torrents with thousands of seeds and leechers :\ not good Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
On 28 Apr 2008, at 16:23, Tony Arnold wrote: >> > > I've always used BitTornado, which has been good enough for my meagre > requirements. I've never been that impressed with bittorrent, direct > downloads have always seemed faster to me. Maybe it's the client I'm > using. I would suspect its more like the other torrent participants have aggressively limited their upstream, that's usually the case when I observe slow torrents (I say this because of anecdotal evidence . once I start seeding (I don't limit my upstream) the whole swarm gets a LOT quicker). The other thing to look out for (if this is your home connection) is that a lot of ISPs throttle the well known bittorrent client port numbers but you can always change that yourself (-minport and -maxport are your friends in this situation). I have used bittornado myself and never had any trouble, in fact I have managed to nearly saturate a 100Mb link with it! (granted it was on a co-located box with ~500Mb incoming bandwidth). These days I use bitconjurer but it's mostly the same as bittornado, You could give that a shot? Cheers Huw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Pete, Pete Stean wrote: > Just as a slight aside I've been on Hardy since Alpha and installed > updates as I've gone along. I seem to have accumulated all sorts of > niggly little problems but last night decided to bite the bullet and > re-installed clean from the Hardy release ISO (having my personal > files under /home in a separation disc partition helps!) I've been the same and am sore;y tempted to re-install from scratch. I have a problem with CD burning at the moment which may be fixed by a fresh install. > Absolutely no problems whatsoever - everything (including my Logitech > Quickcam Pro and Nova T- 500 dual tuner digital TV card) recognised > from first boot up - very fast from switch-on to login too, and > shutdown even faster. I think you've convinced me! > My one and only criticism is that the default torrent client, > Transmission, is utter p*nts and isn't much better than the rubbish > client it replaced. I've uninstalled it and am using Deluge in its > place which is much more to my liking. I've always used BitTornado, which has been good enough for my meagre requirements. I've never been that impressed with bittorrent, direct downloads have always seemed faster to me. Maybe it's the client I'm using. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Just as a slight aside I've been on Hardy since Alpha and installed updates as I've gone along. I seem to have accumulated all sorts of niggly little problems but last night decided to bite the bullet and re-installed clean from the Hardy release ISO (having my personal files under /home in a separation disc partition helps!) Absolutely no problems whatsoever - everything (including my Logitech Quickcam Pro and Nova T- 500 dual tuner digital TV card) recognised from first boot up - very fast from switch-on to login too, and shutdown even faster. My one and only criticism is that the default torrent client, Transmission, is utter p*nts and isn't much better than the rubbish client it replaced. I've uninstalled it and am using Deluge in its place which is much more to my liking. Overall I'm really very impressed :) Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen O'Neill wrote: | I *think* that I just have broken sound now ... nearly there :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213206 ... led me to ... $ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset ... which seems to have made my sound better. HTH. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIFOIRJ+Auntu1v4QRAiulAJ97HGIiFrryBEr4dNzm/zEs1kz1jACfZw7c LralPBi93AK7FkNXWPiuy2k= =Y+uZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen O'Neill wrote: | I now have Hardy... been having 'fun' so far though I *think* that I just have broken sound now ... nearly there :) - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIFN1sJ+Auntu1v4QRAl6hAJ46ufmzsUi380tTxUZXzdwv3uX49QCaA1Dd rq51pyR8dHTgzSiSUQhORow= =SM8i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Stephen O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I now have Hardy... been having 'fun' so far though - lots of xorg and > xserver dependency/conflict problems during the upgrade to start with. I > had to uninstall the nvidia-glx-new package, upgrade packages (xorg-core > installed at this point) then re-install. > > Then when I rebooted and logged in I got a plethora of 'crash detected' > reports plus dozens for the broken dependencies on the upgrade. > > Unsurprisingly I can't enable desktop effects now as although the nvidia > driver is enabled it doesn't seem to be working - glxgears don't run etc. > > This isn't a plea for help, I shall sort the problems out and log bugs > if I manage to glean any information which would help a poor developer. > It may be that I have a 3rd party repository enabled that I shouldn't have. > > > - -- > Stephen O'Neill > w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIEloLJ+Auntu1v4QRAjiUAJ9RNZvS1+xphoC0MXQwZzxKZ97qhACeM67U > r9uRJan8XoTu/YSSK0A8JhY= > =vE8f > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > If the mirrors are being slow: http://softdel.co.uk/ubuntu check the keys if you are worried about the validation. =] -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Company No. 6135915 Registered in England And Northern Ireland -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I now have Hardy... been having 'fun' so far though - lots of xorg and xserver dependency/conflict problems during the upgrade to start with. I had to uninstall the nvidia-glx-new package, upgrade packages (xorg-core installed at this point) then re-install. Then when I rebooted and logged in I got a plethora of 'crash detected' reports plus dozens for the broken dependencies on the upgrade. Unsurprisingly I can't enable desktop effects now as although the nvidia driver is enabled it doesn't seem to be working - glxgears don't run etc. This isn't a plea for help, I shall sort the problems out and log bugs if I manage to glean any information which would help a poor developer. It may be that I have a 3rd party repository enabled that I shouldn't have. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIEloLJ+Auntu1v4QRAjiUAJ9RNZvS1+xphoC0MXQwZzxKZ97qhACeM67U r9uRJan8XoTu/YSSK0A8JhY= =vE8f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Stephen O'Neill wrote: > Had a go last night but gave up as various things kept timing out and How I upgraded Gutsy was to download the alternate install CD, and install from that. Make sure you tell it NOT to download updates whilst installing. Once that's done it doesn't have much more to download. The new intel X driver is amazing. -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
Stephen O'Neill wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Seriously you lot - will you stop upgrading so I can have a go? :P > > Had a go last night but gave up as various things kept timing out and > now I apparently have 5 days 18 hours and 13 minutes remaining. I may > just be a little more patient and wait a few days. > > How's it gone for those of you who got in there first - any hitches, > unsung amazing new features etc? Hello, Stephen. Upgraded my laptop from 7.10 to 8.04 OK, except for 100% CPU problem with "evolution-data-server", which I fixed after a bit of Googling by disabling: System/Preference/Sessions/Startup Programs/Evolution Alarm Notifier I had also disabled 'Tracker' under 7.10 because it is a resource hog! > The new kernel advertises that it will support my wireless card without > ndiswrapper so fingers crossed for that. Automatically installed fwcutter + the Broadcom firmware on my laptop. Noty test ed that it works yet, though =- Hmm... Crashed and burned trying to upgrade one of our 6.06.1 LTS servers because the repo's were too busy by then ;-) Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seriously you lot - will you stop upgrading so I can have a go? :P Had a go last night but gave up as various things kept timing out and now I apparently have 5 days 18 hours and 13 minutes remaining. I may just be a little more patient and wait a few days. How's it gone for those of you who got in there first - any hitches, unsung amazing new features etc? The new kernel advertises that it will support my wireless card without ndiswrapper so fingers crossed for that. Bon courage! - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIEhDTJ+Auntu1v4QRAh3HAJ4x3coYFOx3I18KQ33dXlRMMxs8rACglprQ a3kakZ15nPZkWLcBPhbJkdo= =KqS8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
