Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-16 Thread Alan Lord (News) 
On 17/07/09 02:39, Liam Proven wrote:


> There is a chance for Linux, but it's a very tough battle ahead.
> Unfortunately, I think the bad experiences of hundreds of thousands of
> people with Linux netbooks will put them off for a long time to come.

I don't think it is as bad as the press would have you believe.

I read something recently where something like 34% of netbooks sold are 
being wiped of Windows and having Linux installed.

Most of the returns (in my direct experience with a particular vendor) 
was due almost exclusively to mis-selling; The retailer had had no 
training and was essentially *not* informing the customer that netbook a 
(with Linux) was any different to a regular notebook. This is wrong on 2 
fronts:

1. Netbooks are not the same as Notebooks. I think this is more widely 
understood now but still likely to catch the naive buyer when they are 
in a shop with monkeys behind the counter.

2. Linux is not the same as Windows. This was the biggest problem, 
Buyers were not aware that when they got their new computer home it 
wasn't going to be a blue theme. There was no even basic explanation of 
the differences (or the advantages). In fact, from our research, the 
[ahem] sales staff would rather not even tell the prospective customer 
that it was *not* Windows.

Asus stated last year that their return rates were about the same 
between Windows and Linux netbook sales.

Now, we have the situation that MS have bribed/bought-off many of the 
major netbook manufacturers and, if you load them with crapware, the 
cost of the XP license can become negative to the oem.

There are makers who are still doing Linux netbooks and new ones appear 
all the time. Google's Chrome OS will help immensely in this, with their 
branding and muscle.

It isn't a lost battle by any means and the growth of Linux will not 
stop. It is increasing.

Al



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-16 Thread Daniel Drummond 
Just saw this on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_84367553_1?ie=UTF8&docId=1000321063&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=special-product-offers-3&pf_rd_r=0VK1CGRWR4HF3J8C5951&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=470371973&pf_rd_i=B002DUCMT2

[Quote]
*4. Does Windows 7 come with a Web Browser?*

Within the EU, the Windows 7 range does not contain a pre-installed 
internet browser. One option to gain access to the internet is:
• On your current computer prior to installing Windows 7, or on another 
computer system, download the install file (usually a “.exe” file) for 
your preferred Windows 7-compatible browser to your current system.
• Burn this file to a CD or DVD 

 
or transfer it to an external storage medium such as a flash memory 
drive 

 
or external hard drive 
.
 

• Install Windows 7 on your system using the instructions provided with 
your purchase.
• Once you have installed Windows 7 on your system insert the CD/DVD or 
connect the external storage device and copy the install file to your 
Windows 7 system.
• Run the install file to install your preferred web browser and access 
the internet.

These instructions are provided for your information only and you may 
wish to explore other options. Amazon accepts no responsibility for any 
problems you may encounter from following the instructions above. Be 
sure to check out Amazon’s great selection of external storage devices 

 
in our electronics store 
.
 


We will update these pages periodically with further information on how 
you may access the internet with Windows 7 as we receive it.
[End Quote]

Seems a bit long-winded really.

Dan

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-16 Thread Liam Proven 
2009/7/16 Robert Flatters :
> Well i have down loaded installed Window 7 RC 7100 and at first glance yes
> there seems to be a likeness to  quite a few Linux OS's and for that matter
> Mac OS X as well, but i think Micro$oft have learned from their failing of
> Vista.  So what i would say is to the Linux guy they better wake up cos this
> thing may be out to kick ass.

Oh, absolutely, yes.

But for all that it's shiny and pretty, and its wizards and help and
things might assist many technophobic beginners, it's big,
heavyweight, slow, and relatively expensive. It's also not
particularly secure - it's actually a step backwards compared to
Vista.

There is a chance for Linux, but it's a very tough battle ahead.
Unfortunately, I think the bad experiences of hundreds of thousands of
people with Linux netbooks will put them off for a long time to come.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-16 Thread Robert Flatters 
Well i have down loaded installed Window 7 RC 7100 and at first glance yes
there seems to be a likeness to  quite a few Linux OS's and for that matter
Mac OS X as well, but i think Micro$oft have learned from their failing of
Vista.  So what i would say is to the Linux guy they better wake up cos this
thing may be out to kick ass.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:23 AM, John  wrote:

> Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare.
>
> I find this quite interesting though.
>
> http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770&tag=nl.e550
>
> John
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-07 Thread Dale Clarke 
John

Just go here 

Its a Linux Foundation project.

Dale

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM, John  wrote:

> What is Moblin, I have an Acer One with Ubuntu 9.04 on it, what does it
> do? Does it run off the netbook or what?
>
> John
>
> Dale Clarke wrote:
> > My two lads use only one thing outside of web browser and that is
> > games and that's changing as they prefer Eve rather than paying
> > through the nose for buggy software.
> >
> > I personally, am a Google fan so do everything via that with only my
> > Story 'Writers cafe' software separately. when that appears online I
> > will change. I have an Acer One and just put Moblin onto it and what a
> > little distribution that is going to be.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Rob Beard  > > wrote:
> >
> > John wrote:
> > > Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare.
> > >
> > > I find this quite interesting though.
> > >
> > > http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770&tag=nl.e550
> > 
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > I did have Windows 7 installed, in fact I'll be sticking it on the
> > wife's PC this week too.  I'd agree with some of the article, I mean
> a
> > lot of things teenagers do now are web based - Facebook, Youtube,
> > Gmail,
> > Hotmail, MySpace, Twitter, Bebo, hey even MSN is now web based.
> > Whenever my step kids (who are all in their teens) use the PC they
> > fire
> > up a browser, they never bother looking at any of other applications
> > (never mind if they're on a Windows or Ubuntu based PC).
> >
> > Of course this wouldn't apply to everyone, some people still do need
> > Windows apps or some do use Linux apps, but for the basic user who
> > just
> > wants to keep in touch with their friends then usually they just
> > need a
> > browser (hey my step kids have even happily used the browser on
> > the Wii).
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-07 Thread John 
What is Moblin, I have an Acer One with Ubuntu 9.04 on it, what does it 
do? Does it run off the netbook or what?

John

Dale Clarke wrote:
> My two lads use only one thing outside of web browser and that is 
> games and that's changing as they prefer Eve rather than paying 
> through the nose for buggy software.
>
> I personally, am a Google fan so do everything via that with only my 
> Story 'Writers cafe' software separately. when that appears online I 
> will change. I have an Acer One and just put Moblin onto it and what a 
> little distribution that is going to be.
>
> Dale
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Rob Beard  > wrote:
>
> John wrote:
> > Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare.
> >
> > I find this quite interesting though.
> >
> > http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770&tag=nl.e550
> 
> >
> > John
> >
> I did have Windows 7 installed, in fact I'll be sticking it on the
> wife's PC this week too.  I'd agree with some of the article, I mean a
> lot of things teenagers do now are web based - Facebook, Youtube,
> Gmail,
> Hotmail, MySpace, Twitter, Bebo, hey even MSN is now web based.
> Whenever my step kids (who are all in their teens) use the PC they
> fire
> up a browser, they never bother looking at any of other applications
> (never mind if they're on a Windows or Ubuntu based PC).
>
> Of course this wouldn't apply to everyone, some people still do need
> Windows apps or some do use Linux apps, but for the basic user who
> just
> wants to keep in touch with their friends then usually they just
> need a
> browser (hey my step kids have even happily used the browser on
> the Wii).
>
> Rob
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-07 Thread Dale Clarke 
My two lads use only one thing outside of web browser and that is games and
that's changing as they prefer Eve rather than paying through the nose for
buggy software.

I personally, am a Google fan so do everything via that with only my Story
'Writers cafe' software separately. when that appears online I will change.
I have an Acer One and just put Moblin onto it and what a little
distribution that is going to be.

Dale



On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Rob Beard  wrote:

> John wrote:
> > Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare.
> >
> > I find this quite interesting though.
> >
> > http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770&tag=nl.e550
> >
> > John
> >
> I did have Windows 7 installed, in fact I'll be sticking it on the
> wife's PC this week too.  I'd agree with some of the article, I mean a
> lot of things teenagers do now are web based - Facebook, Youtube, Gmail,
> Hotmail, MySpace, Twitter, Bebo, hey even MSN is now web based.
> Whenever my step kids (who are all in their teens) use the PC they fire
> up a browser, they never bother looking at any of other applications
> (never mind if they're on a Windows or Ubuntu based PC).
>
> Of course this wouldn't apply to everyone, some people still do need
> Windows apps or some do use Linux apps, but for the basic user who just
> wants to keep in touch with their friends then usually they just need a
> browser (hey my step kids have even happily used the browser on the Wii).
>
> Rob
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-07 Thread Rob Beard 
John wrote:
> Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare.
>
> I find this quite interesting though.
>
> http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770&tag=nl.e550
>
> John
>   
I did have Windows 7 installed, in fact I'll be sticking it on the 
wife's PC this week too.  I'd agree with some of the article, I mean a 
lot of things teenagers do now are web based - Facebook, Youtube, Gmail, 
Hotmail, MySpace, Twitter, Bebo, hey even MSN is now web based.  
Whenever my step kids (who are all in their teens) use the PC they fire 
up a browser, they never bother looking at any of other applications 
(never mind if they're on a Windows or Ubuntu based PC).

Of course this wouldn't apply to everyone, some people still do need 
Windows apps or some do use Linux apps, but for the basic user who just 
wants to keep in touch with their friends then usually they just need a 
browser (hey my step kids have even happily used the browser on the Wii).

Rob


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[ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........

2009-07-07 Thread John 
Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare.

I find this quite interesting though.

http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770&tag=nl.e550

John

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