[ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Has anyone done it yet... i'm sooo tempted, and with RC being released today, i figure why not. But then i do have ALL my work and play on this machine. If I'm going to go through all the backing up etc when there might still be a problem... i might as well wait for 1 more week for the stable release!! Has anyone done the apt-get distupgrade to gutsy yet. In my experience, that method has worked well from 6.06-6.10 and 6.10-7.04, but it has failed miserably in the past! Any problems on it this time around? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Michael Holloway wrote: Has anyone done it yet... i'm sooo tempted, and with RC being released today, i figure why not. But then i do have ALL my work and play on this machine. If I'm going to go through all the backing up etc when there might still be a problem... i might as well wait for 1 more week for the stable release!! Has anyone done the apt-get distupgrade to gutsy yet. In my experience, that method has worked well from 6.06-6.10 and 6.10-7.04, but it has failed miserably in the past! Any problems on it this time around? I did it yesterday on my old box..Took about 4 hours to d/load and install No errors at all.Don't know why it took so long as I got rc1 this morning in 50 minutes -- Regards Ted Wager G3TPI High Peak UK Using Ubuntu Gutsy Linux -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Can I suggest that you put your /home (where you have all your work and play files) on a separate physical partition or indeed on a separate disk from the main os I have my system set up like that and it doesn't matter what I do to bork the installation because all my personal files are safely elsewhere... Pete On 12/10/2007, Ted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Holloway wrote: Has anyone done it yet... i'm sooo tempted, and with RC being released today, i figure why not. But then i do have ALL my work and play on this machine. If I'm going to go through all the backing up etc when there might still be a problem... i might as well wait for 1 more week for the stable release!! Has anyone done the apt-get distupgrade to gutsy yet. In my experience, that method has worked well from 6.06-6.10 and 6.10-7.04, but it has failed miserably in the past! Any problems on it this time around? I did it yesterday on my old box..Took about 4 hours to d/load and install No errors at all.Don't know why it took so long as I got rc1 this morning in 50 minutes -- Regards Ted Wager G3TPI High Peak UK Using Ubuntu Gutsy Linux -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- 'In letters of gold, on a snow-white kite, I will write I Love You! And send it soaring high above you, for all to read!' RIP Billy M 1957-1997 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 10:31 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Pete, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 10:03 +0100, Pete Stean wrote: Can I suggest that you put your /home (where you have all your work and play files) on a separate physical partition or indeed on a separate disk from the main os I agree. I only recently started doing this with one machine, and it makes it so much more flexible. The machine in question has gone Feisty - Gutsy - Feisty - Gutsy - Feisty with the same home directory, no loss of files and all my settings retained. I'll do all my machines like this from now on. I gave 10G to root (/), some for swap, and the rest for /home. Cheers, Al. Well i've got 80GB / and 80GB /home I'm more worried about Alan's 5th machine syndrome. I remember installing Beta Feisty on my desktop, and the Kernel panicked on boot... wasn't until final release that the kernel was happy. And while my data should be perfectly safe in /home... its all the other things that are a mission (fstab mounting samba, ssh authorized_keys - having to resync with other machines etc.) and it takes a day when you are reverting to feisty. That said... i don't think i can wait another week :) Also, i would never to a dist-upgrade on a production server, if something goes wrong... that's really not cool!!! I just run LTS on all my servers. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Hi Pete, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 10:03 +0100, Pete Stean wrote: Can I suggest that you put your /home (where you have all your work and play files) on a separate physical partition or indeed on a separate disk from the main os I agree. I only recently started doing this with one machine, and it makes it so much more flexible. The machine in question has gone Feisty - Gutsy - Feisty - Gutsy - Feisty with the same home directory, no loss of files and all my settings retained. I'll do all my machines like this from now on. I gave 10G to root (/), some for swap, and the rest for /home. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Hi, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 09:12 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: Has anyone done it yet... i'm sooo tempted, and with RC being released today, i figure why not. I have used the apt-get dist-upgrade method on one server. I used the gksu update-manager -d method on 5 machines and for 4 it worked flawlessly. YMMV The one machine that didn't work was my desktop - the actual upgrade itself was fine, but gutsy refuses to boot on it. I don't have the time to deal with that machine right now so I reinstalled feisty on it and will attempt the upgrade some time after release. Has anyone done the apt-get distupgrade to gutsy yet. In my experience, that method has worked well from 6.06-6.10 and 6.10-7.04, but it has failed miserably in the past! Any problems on it this time around? The recommended approach is to use update manager - and I would strongly recommend you do that. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On 12/10/2007, Michael Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The download speed sucked, must have been hammered yesterday because could only get 75kbps...normally comes down at 7or 8 hundred. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I'm getting 900k right now (thankfully) Hehe, im actually supposed to be working right now!!! Good think i get to work from home!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I was downloading at midnight, about the time the release was announced on the mialing list. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
The download speed sucked, must have been hammered yesterday because could only get 75kbps...normally comes down at 7or 8 hundred. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I'm getting 900k right now (thankfully) Hehe, im actually supposed to be working right now!!! Good think i get to work from home!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On 12/10/2007, Michael Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:33 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:24 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: OUCH: Could not install 'debconf' The upgrade will continue but the 'debconf' package may not be in working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it. subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped Got this error 1% of the way through install... and im pretty sure debconf is quite an important package !!! How did you do the upgrade? apt-get or update manager? Were you up to date on feisty before you started? Did you have feisty-proposed and feisty-updates repos enabled before you started? Cheers, Al. I followed the instruction on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades (Kubuntu RC) Anyway, so the updater crashed and wouldn't start again, i rebooted and KDE didn't start, and ran apt-get dist-upgrade (after dpkd --configure -a) and about a minute later it started KDM, and kdm is working now, while apt-get is still running in the background (TTY1). This is fun! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ The download speed sucked, must have been hammered yesterday because could only get 75kbps...normally comes down at 7or 8 hundred. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 12:24:00PM +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: OUCH: Could not install 'debconf' The upgrade will continue but the 'debconf' package may not be in working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it. subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped I have no idea what's going on here. I can tell you that it's very unlikely to be debconf's fault; debconf is written in pure Perl and such code is not supposed to be *able* to segfault. It's something else, but I don't know what ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:33 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:24 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: OUCH: Could not install 'debconf' The upgrade will continue but the 'debconf' package may not be in working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it. subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped Got this error 1% of the way through install... and im pretty sure debconf is quite an important package !!! How did you do the upgrade? apt-get or update manager? Were you up to date on feisty before you started? Did you have feisty-proposed and feisty-updates repos enabled before you started? Cheers, Al. I followed the instruction on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades (Kubuntu RC) Anyway, so the updater crashed and wouldn't start again, i rebooted and KDE didn't start, and ran apt-get dist-upgrade (after dpkd --configure -a) and about a minute later it started KDM, and kdm is working now, while apt-get is still running in the background (TTY1). This is fun! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Okay well there were too many things going wrong in that process - it may have worked in the end but i decided not to bother... im in windoze now downloading the RC iso, going to do a fresh install... at least my /home is still in tact :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:33 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:24 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: OUCH: Could not install 'debconf' The upgrade will continue but the 'debconf' package may not be in working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it. subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped Got this error 1% of the way through install... and im pretty sure debconf is quite an important package !!! How did you do the upgrade? apt-get or update manager? Were you up to date on feisty before you started? Did you have feisty-proposed and feisty-updates repos enabled before you started? Cheers, Al. I followed the instruction on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades (Kubuntu RC) Anyway, so the updater crashed and wouldn't start again, i rebooted and KDE didn't start, and ran apt-get dist-upgrade (after dpkd --configure -a) and about a minute later it started KDM, and kdm is working now, while apt-get is still running in the background (TTY1). This is fun! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Use update-manager -c -d over apt-get/aptitude, as it will perform some other pre- and post- install procedures that apt won't do... Regarding debconf, you'll probably be ok with the old version for the time being (it's failed to install the new version, so your old version is still intact). Later on once your upgrade has completed, use update-manager again to see if there are any more - debconf is likely to be in the list of updatable packages, and then you can give it another go :-) Kris On 10/12/07, Michael Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:08 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: Michael, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 11:57 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: Well I've just double backed up everything, and started the upgrade process!!! Wish me luck! OUCH: Could not install 'debconf' The upgrade will continue but the 'debconf' package may not be in working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it. subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped Got this error 1% of the way through install... and im pretty sure debconf is quite an important package !!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 11:11 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: Michael, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 09:12 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: Has anyone done it yet... i'm sooo tempted, and with RC being released today, i figure why not. I did up an upgrade yesterday using upgrade-manager -d on my 5 year old Dell Latitude C.400 laptop! It took about 4 hours all together and most of that was the upgrade itself, not the download. It all works pretty much flawlessly. I even turned on compiz and downloaded the compizconfig-settings-manager to have a play. The machine is a little sluggish but it all seems to behave itself. I'm about to do the same to my D.820! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold Well I've just double backed up everything, and started the upgrade process!!! Wish me luck! Is it sad that im really excited about a new linux I would never tell my friends about this... hehe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Michael, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 09:12 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: Has anyone done it yet... i'm sooo tempted, and with RC being released today, i figure why not. I did up an upgrade yesterday using upgrade-manager -d on my 5 year old Dell Latitude C.400 laptop! It took about 4 hours all together and most of that was the upgrade itself, not the download. It all works pretty much flawlessly. I even turned on compiz and downloaded the compizconfig-settings-manager to have a play. The machine is a little sluggish but it all seems to behave itself. I'm about to do the same to my D.820! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Michael, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 11:57 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: Well I've just double backed up everything, and started the upgrade process!!! Wish me luck! Good luck. My D.820 upgrade is progressing as I type! Is it sad that im really excited about a new linux I would never tell my friends about this... hehe Maybe, but you are not alone! One reason I like Linux is that it is constantly evolving and changing. I'd really like to play with a Warty system again just to remind myself how much Ubuntu has grown in a relatively short space of time. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:08 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: Michael, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 11:57 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: Well I've just double backed up everything, and started the upgrade process!!! Wish me luck! OUCH: Could not install 'debconf' The upgrade will continue but the 'debconf' package may not be in working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it. subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped Got this error 1% of the way through install... and im pretty sure debconf is quite an important package !!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
Hi, On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 12:24 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: OUCH: Could not install 'debconf' The upgrade will continue but the 'debconf' package may not be in working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it. subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped Got this error 1% of the way through install... and im pretty sure debconf is quite an important package !!! How did you do the upgrade? apt-get or update manager? Were you up to date on feisty before you started? Did you have feisty-proposed and feisty-updates repos enabled before you started? Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get distupgrade (to gutsy)
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 11:13:07AM +0100, Dave Walker wrote: I suggested a minimal / and the bulk for /home to somebody a few months ago, and he had the argument that making them separate Wasn't right for everybody. I'm not sure I can see how... but anyway - it makes me happy. Infact, I would really like to see the default installation follow this - as it makes a clean install _much_ easier. This suggestion comes up quite frequently, but the problem is that a novice will have no idea how much space to allocate to each; there is enough variation that there's no one suggestion we can make which would be good for everyone. If they get it wrong it's a real pain in the arse to change, requiring expert help. I would much rather improve support for reinstalling while preserving /home, which is on the agenda for Ubuntu 8.04 (though it's early days and that's not a promise!). That would take care of the main root problem without creating a rod for our own backs further down the line. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
