[ubuntu-uk] webmin
Hello Everyone, It's me again! I have just installed webmin on 11.04 server, but I'm having trouble logging in. I'm guessing I need to set a password for root [*sudo passwd root] *as that's the only solution I can find on the web - Are there any security implications to doing that, I would have thought so? I only want to try it out really as I'm sure most things can be done with a terminal, but if I like it I may keep it, that's why i'm concerned. -- Best Regards, Dave Hanson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin
On 21 June 2011 13:59, Dave Hanson d...@hansonforensics.co.uk wrote: Hello Everyone, It's me again! I have just installed webmin on 11.04 server, but I'm having trouble logging in. I'm guessing I need to set a password for root [*sudo passwd root] *as that's the only solution I can find on the web - Are there any security implications to doing that, I would have thought so? I only want to try it out really as I'm sure most things can be done with a terminal, but if I like it I may keep it, that's why i'm concerned. Generally speaking, it's fine on a non-Internet facing machine. Give root a complex password though. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood Is this your sanderling? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin
On 21 June 2011 13:59, Dave Hanson d...@hansonforensics.co.uk wrote: I have just installed webmin on 11.04 server, but I'm having trouble logging in. I'm guessing I need to set a password for root [sudo passwd root] as that's the only solution I can find on the web I have a box here running webmin and I have not set a root password. I logon with my own username and password. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin
Well, it would be connected to the outside world, maybe If I add myself to the webmin group? I'll check. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: On 21 June 2011 13:59, Dave Hanson d...@hansonforensics.co.uk wrote: I have just installed webmin on 11.04 server, but I'm having trouble logging in. I'm guessing I need to set a password for root [sudo passwd root] as that's the only solution I can find on the web I have a box here running webmin and I have not set a root password. I logon with my own username and password. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Best Regards, Dave Hanson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 13:59 +0100, Dave Hanson wrote: Hello Everyone, It's me again! I have just installed webmin on 11.04 server, but I'm having trouble logging in. I'm guessing I need to set a password for root [sudo passwd root] as that's the only solution I can find on the web - Are there any security implications to doing that, I would have thought so? I only want to try it out really as I'm sure most things can be done with a terminal, but if I like it I may keep it, that's why i'm concerned. -- Best Regards, Dave Hanson If you install the ubuntu webmin package from their site I think it abides by sudo it's just if you use the debian one that I think it causes issues I could be wrong though. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin
Dave Hanson wrote:
I have just installed webmin on 11.04 server, but I'm having trouble
logging in. I'm guessing I need to set a password for root [*sudo
passwd root] *as that's the only solution I can find on the web
Yeah, I think webmin always needs to be able to be root, but you can
make other settings able to perform Webmin's root operations. So you
could create, say, an 'admin' Webmin user and tell Webmin that this user
is effectively root, to get round people trying to log in with the
predictable 'root' username ('admin' should be avoided for the same reason).
Are there any security implications to doing that, I would have
thought so?
If root cannot ssh in, I can't see that as being any different to any
sudoer and more secure than the default of being able to ssh in as
someone who can then sudo anything.
I only want to try it out really as I'm sure most things can be done
with a terminal, but if I like it I may keep it, that's why i'm
concerned.
Well, everything Webmin can do can be done in a terminal. But Webmin's
probably also a nice easy fallback for repairing something that you got
wrong on the terminal :)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Dave Morley davm...@davmor2.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 13:59 +0100, Dave Hanson wrote: Hello Everyone, It's me again! I have just installed webmin on 11.04 server, but I'm having trouble logging in. I'm guessing I need to set a password for root [sudo passwd root] as that's the only solution I can find on the web - Are there any security implications to doing that, I would have thought so? I only want to try it out really as I'm sure most things can be done with a terminal, but if I like it I may keep it, that's why i'm concerned. -- Best Regards, Dave Hanson If you install the ubuntu webmin package from their site I think it abides by sudo it's just if you use the debian one that I think it causes issues I could be wrong though. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Yes, I have the Debian one there isn't a webmin user group. I'll re-install and let you know if it runs okay with the version from their site, I didn't even check their site - I just assumed that it wasn't fully supported from what I read on the ubuntu docs pages. Thanks -- Best Regards, Dave Hanson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Dave Hanson d...@hansonforensics.co.ukwrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Dave Morley davm...@davmor2.co.ukwrote: On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 13:59 +0100, Dave Hanson wrote: Hello Everyone, It's me again! I have just installed webmin on 11.04 server, but I'm having trouble logging in. I'm guessing I need to set a password for root [sudo passwd root] as that's the only solution I can find on the web - Are there any security implications to doing that, I would have thought so? I only want to try it out really as I'm sure most things can be done with a terminal, but if I like it I may keep it, that's why i'm concerned. -- Best Regards, Dave Hanson If you install the ubuntu webmin package from their site I think it abides by sudo it's just if you use the debian one that I think it causes issues I could be wrong though. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Yes, I have the Debian one there isn't a webmin user group. I'll re-install and let you know if it runs okay with the version from their site, I didn't even check their site - I just assumed that it wasn't fully supported from what I read on the ubuntu docs pages. Thanks -- Best Regards, Dave Hanson I've cracked it... The installation source makes no difference as far as I can tell. And the docs I read stating that the root password needs to be enabled are misleading, What you actually need to do is set up a password for a user attached to webmin itself (see below). It does nothing to the system's root account. # cd /usr/share/webmin # sudo ./changepass.pl /etc/webmin/ user password Simple really isn't it. Thanks Everyone, Dave Hanson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 13:59 +0100, Dave Hanson wrote: Hello Everyone, I've cracked it... You're not the only one ;-) I'd personally avoid making webmin publicly available. Consider using iptables or (ufw) to restrict access to your IP if you have a static, or you could only allow access to the webmin port from localhost and connect via an ssh socks proxy to that port. Webmin's a bit if a target for attackers and has a long history of vulnerabilities Also, with ssh access consider using fail2ban, or better yet restricting access by IP :-) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:09:05PM +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: You might find this thread helpful: http://groups.google.com/group/coloco/browse_thread/thread/321fcdaecde25b44 Has one of your devs talking in it... From that thread:- P.S. If you're using WebMin you probably shouldn't be touching linux servers anyway. /nudge :) Made me smile :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 10:00 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:09:05PM +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: You might find this thread helpful: http://groups.google.com/group/coloco/browse_thread/thread/321fcdaecde25b44 Has one of your devs talking in it... From that thread:- P.S. If you're using WebMin you probably shouldn't be touching linux servers anyway. /nudge :) Made me smile :) Cheers, Al. Popey I got to see you say that to bigron ;) -- Seek That Thy Might Know signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
To be fair the same could be said about any gui, like ebox as well, if you cant do it manually and know what your doing then dont use something like webmin or ebox, because if it doesnt work then you do need to know what your doing. Daniel Dave Morley wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 10:00 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:09:05PM +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: You might find this thread helpful: http://groups.google.com/group/coloco/browse_thread/thread/321fcdaecde25b44 Has one of your devs talking in it... From that thread:- P.S. If you're using WebMin you probably shouldn't be touching linux servers anyway. /nudge :) Made me smile :) Cheers, Al. Popey I got to see you say that to bigron ;) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Lamb wrote: To be fair the same could be said about any gui, like ebox as well, if you cant do it manually and know what your doing then dont use something like webmin or ebox, because if it doesnt work then you do need to know what your doing. Daniel I think that's an argument that is going to evolve into a non-argument. That's like someone saying 20 years ago.. don't use a GUI if you can't use a CLI. Imagine that being applied now. It's simply a case of the GUI guys covering as much of the CLI stuff as possible. Your argument is true now (and will be for a while)... but I can see it becoming out of date in the future. Regards, Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIs89CauMjEM4rxIQRApdZAJ9S8Ncjkw1LGbtfifKsYy0dPXESWACeJ0Ux cSFI9pdU593Z8wKglecEanI= =c0da -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:28:44AM +0100, Dave Morley wrote: Popey I got to see you say that to bigron ;) I've got a year to get my muscles built up before I say it to him at LRL 09 :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
All i mean is if you dont know whats happening in the back end and dont have a good enough undersdtanding to set it up manually then dont use a gui, purely for something as major as that but dont mean something as simple as burning cds etc. Regards, Daniel andylockran wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Lamb wrote: To be fair the same could be said about any gui, like ebox as well, if you cant do it manually and know what your doing then dont use something like webmin or ebox, because if it doesnt work then you do need to know what your doing. Daniel I think that's an argument that is going to evolve into a non-argument. That's like someone saying 20 years ago.. don't use a GUI if you can't use a CLI. Imagine that being applied now. It's simply a case of the GUI guys covering as much of the CLI stuff as possible. Your argument is true now (and will be for a while)... but I can see it becoming out of date in the future. Regards, Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIs89CauMjEM4rxIQRApdZAJ9S8Ncjkw1LGbtfifKsYy0dPXESWACeJ0Ux cSFI9pdU593Z8wKglecEanI= =c0da -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Westby wrote: | On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 21:17 +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: | Its absence is deliberate, and its not licensing related. Webmin plays | with the config files of programs it alters in nasty ways. I don't know | the specifics, but both Ubuntu Debian refuse to package it. | | Hi, | | I think Alan is more correct. It was removed simply as the maintainer | had no time for it, and no-one else has stepped up to maintain it. | | It certainly does have the reputation of being bad in Debian and Ubuntu | though, perhaps with reason. | | When the server team was quite recently looking for something like | webmin to provide, one of the developers spent some time looking for | evidence to back this claim up. They couldn't find anything. If you | know of any then please could you pass it on to me so I can forward it? | I imagine they would like to have evidence of why they are using | ebox instead of webmin. | Webmin does appear to introduce instabilities into the systems during dist upgrade. However, it can probably be patched up quite easily, if a maintainer devs decided to work on it. All I've seen as I've spent half an hour looking round google searches for this one, is that it doesn't use the debian way of doing things, which makes it a bit more unstable. The other problem I've seen with this, is when a customer is using webmin, to add apache vhosts, when they've got a non-standard setup in apache. That caused apache to belm for a while.. Johnathon | Thanks, | | James | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsyzt81bUwCB/xdgRAsaXAKDkC9rCGCIZtBn4CvhANdD9x/bbWgCeKVgA x2qtMp9Kg1Ie8MDO2lz6S4k= =W+3f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Westby wrote: | On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 21:17 +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: | Its absence is deliberate, and its not licensing related. Webmin plays | with the config files of programs it alters in nasty ways. I don't know | the specifics, but both Ubuntu Debian refuse to package it. | | Hi, | | I think Alan is more correct. It was removed simply as the maintainer | had no time for it, and no-one else has stepped up to maintain it. | | It certainly does have the reputation of being bad in Debian and Ubuntu | though, perhaps with reason. | | When the server team was quite recently looking for something like | webmin to provide, one of the developers spent some time looking for | evidence to back this claim up. They couldn't find anything. If you | know of any then please could you pass it on to me so I can forward it? | I imagine they would like to have evidence of why they are using | ebox instead of webmin. | | Thanks, | | James | | You might find this thread helpful: http://groups.google.com/group/coloco/browse_thread/thread/321fcdaecde25b44 Has one of your devs talking in it... Hope I've helped rather than hindered :S Johnathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsy2A81bUwCB/xdgRAjd+AKCJECoOVmbN+GxFggO69j/dYRAsjgCcC+pv RH1oA8joGmMXAtqGqWqANsc= =rwKh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:23:37AM +0100, Daniel Lamb wrote: Webmin does monitor software raid. Worth having a quick look at it. Do people actually still use webmin? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
I do, all my servers run it and monitoring is done via it, I find it alot better than ebox currently, however ebox does look promising. I know some people are anti webmin however I do find it brilliant. Regards, Daniel Alan Pope wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:23:37AM +0100, Daniel Lamb wrote: Webmin does monitor software raid. Worth having a quick look at it. Do people actually still use webmin? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
Alan Pope wrote: Do people actually still use webmin? Al I've been thinking of using it; is that not a sensible thing to do? How come? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 07:37:42PM +0100, Mac wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Do people actually still use webmin? Al I've been thinking of using it; is that not a sensible thing to do? How come? I dunno really, I just stopped using it back in the days of redhat 7, and have never touched it since. I guess that since it's not been packaged in Ubuntu or Debian for a long time meant I just didn't think fo using it. I kinda assumed others didn't use it either. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
Alan Pope wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 07:37:42PM +0100, Mac wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Do people actually still use webmin? Al I've been thinking of using it; is that not a sensible thing to do? How come? I dunno really, I just stopped using it back in the days of redhat 7, and have never touched it since. I guess that since it's not been packaged in Ubuntu or Debian for a long time meant I just didn't think fo using it. I kinda assumed others didn't use it either. OK. So it wasn't that you discovered a serious problem. Phew! :-) (Do you think its absence from the Debian/Ubuntu repos is 'cos it's released under a BSD licence and not GPL?) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello | | I dunno really, I just stopped using it back in the days of redhat 7, and | have never touched it since. I guess that since it's not been packaged in | Ubuntu or Debian for a long time meant I just didn't think fo using it. I | kinda assumed others didn't use it either. | | | OK. So it wasn't that you discovered a serious problem. Phew! :-) | | (Do you think its absence from the Debian/Ubuntu repos is 'cos it's | released under a BSD licence and not GPL?) | Its absence is deliberate, and its not licensing related. Webmin plays with the config files of programs it alters in nasty ways. I don't know the specifics, but both Ubuntu Debian refuse to package it. Unfortunately (at work) there is nothing anywhere near it in features of usablilty, so we have to use it. Its ok, inthe most part, but you can't use it to setup a complex site. Johnathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsHBG81bUwCB/xdgRAmYcAKDFCFRYPcHTRTb28OBzWPohBlIhoQCguq7X w0MT1rVoNKjbklL0tD0W8W4= =GypA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 08:41:33PM +0100, Mac wrote: OK. So it wasn't that you discovered a serious problem. Phew! :-) Well... there's that as well ;) (Do you think its absence from the Debian/Ubuntu repos is 'cos it's released under a BSD licence and not GPL?) I believe that it just had no maintainer in Debian some time ago, and as nobody was maintinaing it, it didn't get updated, and eventually was dropped. As a result it doesn't appear in Ubuntu. If someone stepped up and packaged it for Debian then that would solve the problem. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 09:17:10PM +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: Its absence is deliberate, and its not licensing related. Webmin plays with the config files of programs it alters in nasty ways. I don't know the specifics, but both Ubuntu Debian refuse to package it. O RLY? Where'd you hear that? These bug reports from debian indicate it's not the case. http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2006/01/msg00124.html http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343897 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=271505 Unfortunately (at work) there is nothing anywhere near it in features of usablilty, so we have to use it. What's wrong with ssh and nano :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Pope wrote: | On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 09:17:10PM +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: | Its absence is deliberate, and its not licensing related. Webmin plays | with the config files of programs it alters in nasty ways. I don't know | the specifics, but both Ubuntu Debian refuse to package it. | | | O RLY? Where'd you hear that? | | These bug reports from debian indicate it's not the case. The last post here: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2873 I did see it on one of the dev lists but I'm not going to dig around for it now :) | | http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2006/01/msg00124.html | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343897 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=271505 | | Unfortunately (at work) there is nothing anywhere near it in features of | usablilty, so we have to use it. | | What's wrong with ssh and nano :) Nano!? Ugh, I'm a vim guy ;) I never have been able to get on with nano. It feels too... I don't know. ?Annoying maybe? I can't put my finger on it. We don't use webmin for ourselves. Customers, unfortunately, don't want to learn how to maintain their servers without a nice GUI front end :( The smart ones run apt-get remove webmin after getting their servers ;) Johnathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsHRS81bUwCB/xdgRAnxQAKDrHolnqfVPDu+JdlG6K1d9XhpB+gCfUntV iLIQrLs3HIPQgckGFEBUdmc= =g0pR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
Johnathon Tinsley wrote: Its absence is deliberate, and its not licensing related. Webmin plays with the config files of programs it alters in nasty ways. I don't know the specifics, but both Ubuntu Debian refuse to package it. Mmm... Are you sure? I'd be grateful if you could suggest where I might find out more. You see, I came across a similar criticism in a comment on an article: When it edits a config file, it erases most or all of the original file, including helpful comments, and leaves you with a list of properties. If you want to use webmin _exclusively_, then this is fine, but if you ever want to manually change your config again, forget it. However, a later commentator replied, I am an experienced sysadmin, and I've been using Webmin for a few years now. I am comfortable with both, editing the config files or just using the Webmin interface... Webmin does not erase comments from config files, as mentioned before on this post list. Believe me, I've used it for years. Now, if you use the SWAT interface for the SAMBA server through Webmin, then SWAT does erase comments from the config file. Then again, SWAT is it's own web inteface and Webmin has no control over it. Maybe that's what happened to that person. Any clarification would help. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] webmin, was Ubuntu RAID Management
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 21:17 +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: Its absence is deliberate, and its not licensing related. Webmin plays with the config files of programs it alters in nasty ways. I don't know the specifics, but both Ubuntu Debian refuse to package it. Hi, I think Alan is more correct. It was removed simply as the maintainer had no time for it, and no-one else has stepped up to maintain it. It certainly does have the reputation of being bad in Debian and Ubuntu though, perhaps with reason. When the server team was quite recently looking for something like webmin to provide, one of the developers spent some time looking for evidence to back this claim up. They couldn't find anything. If you know of any then please could you pass it on to me so I can forward it? I imagine they would like to have evidence of why they are using ebox instead of webmin. Thanks, James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
