Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Bill Baker]

On Sun, 2012-04-15 at 20:19 +0100, Alan Bell wrote:
> On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:
> >
> > Alan,
> > would it be "accwptable" to ask for one purely on the basis that when
> > saying "you really ought to try this" to those I'm trying to convert -
> > it is more convincing / " professional to show a cd from a "professonal"
> > covered CD wrapper?  After all - many years ago - that's how I got here.
> > It worked for me - and still works for others - break the barrier&
> > convince of the goodness!
> >
> > If an acceptable reason for nicking one our copies I will gladly spend
> > the postage etc.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill B. [SuperEngineer]
> >
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> >
> 
> absolutely fine, I am more than happy to stuff an envelope with as many 
> as will fit for you to hand out. Anyone who has an organized means to 
> hand out lots of them can ask for a box of 75 (folk who do computer 
> fairs, have a shop or work in a university or whatever, just tell me how 
> you are going to get them distributed and you can have them)
> 
> Alan.
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> 
Alan,

So there I was prepping send & reply envelopes... when - whoops, don't
even have an address to send to! [feel free to reply to my own email
with pertinent address].

doh!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Laura Czajkowski]

On 17/04/12 07:49, Gareth France wrote:

On 17/04/12 07:40, alan c wrote:



In a technical forum, or other environment where discussions are very
likely to have a logical sequence, and often a discussion thread with
many comments, then in line comments and bottom posting have a strong
benefit. If a convention in a forum is maintained, it is easy to know
what to expect, so conventions are defended and promoted.

Makes sense. Bottom posting has always seemed counter intuitive to me.

It may seem counter intuitive, but it has been pointed out on this list 
at few times already this year.  The same way snipping the top of a long 
reply before posting is also nice to do.


wonder how many times this year we're going to have a Top v Bottom 
thread discussion on here :-)



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[mac]

On 17 Apr 2012, at 07:40, alan c  wrote:
> ...In a technical forum, or other environment where discussions are very
> likely to have a logical sequence, and often a discussion thread with
> many comments, then in line comments and bottom posting have a strong
> benefit.

A lot of good sense in your comments, Alan. 

One thing I'd want to add: it's really helpful to edit what you quote, so 
there's just enough - and only enough - to provide the context to let readers 
understand what you're replying too.

Plonking a comment - whether at the bottom or the top - of 100 lines of 'House 
that Jack Built' exchanges is just lazy and inconsiderate.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Gareth France]

On 17/04/12 07:40, alan c wrote:

On 16/04/12 18:25, Liam Proven wrote:

On 16 April 2012 16:20, Gareth France  wrote:

What's wrong with not wanting to scroll miles to the bottom of the mail to
read the latest post?

Top posting and bottom posting/in line comments have context sensitive
benefits.

If there are no in line comments or no logical sequence, or much
detail, in discussion, then bottom posting can be tedious, if not even
silly. In my family emails it would be inappropriate to bottom post.
Also in my previous business experience in a major water company for
10 years, emails had a stand alone status, and a displayed thread
showed the latest email at the top.

In a technical forum, or other environment where discussions are very
likely to have a logical sequence, and often a discussion thread with
many comments, then in line comments and bottom posting have a strong
benefit. If a convention in a forum is maintained, it is easy to know
what to expect, so conventions are defended and promoted.

Makes sense. Bottom posting has always seemed counter intuitive to me.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[alan c]

On 16/04/12 18:25, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 16 April 2012 16:20, Gareth France  wrote:
>>
>> What's wrong with not wanting to scroll miles to the bottom of the mail to
>> read the latest post?

Top posting and bottom posting/in line comments have context sensitive
benefits.

If there are no in line comments or no logical sequence, or much
detail, in discussion, then bottom posting can be tedious, if not even
silly. In my family emails it would be inappropriate to bottom post.
Also in my previous business experience in a major water company for
10 years, emails had a stand alone status, and a displayed thread
showed the latest email at the top.

In a technical forum, or other environment where discussions are very
likely to have a logical sequence, and often a discussion thread with
many comments, then in line comments and bottom posting have a strong
benefit. If a convention in a forum is maintained, it is easy to know
what to expect, so conventions are defended and promoted.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Gareth France]

On 16/04/12 18:25, Liam Proven wrote:

On 16 April 2012 16:20, Gareth France  wrote:

What's wrong with not wanting to scroll miles to the bottom of the mail to
read the latest post?

[a]

This is a version of the canonical explanation:

A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation.
Q: What's wrong with top-posting?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What's the biggest scourge on plain text email discussions?

[b]

Smart email clients can collapse text from posts you've already read.

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Then let's ditch thunderbird for something smart.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Liam Proven]

On 16 April 2012 16:20, Gareth France  wrote:
>
> What's wrong with not wanting to scroll miles to the bottom of the mail to
> read the latest post?

[a]

This is a version of the canonical explanation:

A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation.
Q: What's wrong with top-posting?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What's the biggest scourge on plain text email discussions?

[b]

Smart email clients can collapse text from posts you've already read.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Gareth France]

On 16/04/12 10:09, Jacob Mansfield wrote:

On 16 Apr 2012, at 08:29, Gareth France wrote:
I'll need a box please. Now I just need to shift the remaining ones 
somehow...

On 15/04/12 20:19, Alan Bell wrote:

On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:


Alan,
would it be "accwptable" to ask for one purely on the basis that when
saying "you really ought to try this" to those I'm trying to convert -
it is more convincing / " professional to show a cd from a 
"professonal"
covered CD wrapper?  After all - many years ago - that's how I got 
here.

It worked for me - and still works for others - break the barrier&
convince of the goodness!

If an acceptable reason for nicking one our copies I will gladly spend
the postage etc.


absolutely fine, I am more than happy to stuff an envelope with as 
many as will fit for you to hand out. Anyone who has an organized 
means to hand out lots of them can ask for a box of 75 (folk who do 
computer fairs, have a shop or work in a university or whatever, 
just tell me how you are going to get them distributed and you can 
have them)


Alan.



Would you be able to send me a few as well,
and Gareth, please don't top-post
thanks
Blue Sapphire Media *Jacob Mansfield* / Lead Developer
Blue Sapphire Media 
*email:* ja...@bluesapphiremedia.co.uk 

*skype:* jacob.mansfield  Call Me 





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Jacob Mansfield]

On 16 Apr 2012, at 08:29, Gareth France wrote:
> I'll need a box please. Now I just need to shift the remaining ones somehow...
> On 15/04/12 20:19, Alan Bell wrote:
>> On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alan,
>>> would it be "accwptable" to ask for one purely on the basis that when
>>> saying "you really ought to try this" to those I'm trying to convert -
>>> it is more convincing / " professional to show a cd from a "professonal"
>>> covered CD wrapper?  After all - many years ago - that's how I got here.
>>> It worked for me - and still works for others - break the barrier&
>>> convince of the goodness!
>>> 
>>> If an acceptable reason for nicking one our copies I will gladly spend
>>> the postage etc.
>> 
>> absolutely fine, I am more than happy to stuff an envelope with as many as 
>> will fit for you to hand out. Anyone who has an organized means to hand out 
>> lots of them can ask for a box of 75 (folk who do computer fairs, have a 
>> shop or work in a university or whatever, just tell me how you are going to 
>> get them distributed and you can have them)
>> 
>> Alan.



Would you be able to send me a few as well,
and Gareth, please don't top-post
thanks
JACOB MANSFIELD / Lead Developer
Blue Sapphire Media
email:  ja...@bluesapphiremedia.co.uk
skype:  jacob.mansfield 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Gareth France]

I'll need a box please. Now I just need to shift the remaining ones 
somehow...


On 15/04/12 20:19, Alan Bell wrote:

On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:


Alan,
would it be "accwptable" to ask for one purely on the basis that when
saying "you really ought to try this" to those I'm trying to convert -
it is more convincing / " professional to show a cd from a "professonal"
covered CD wrapper?  After all - many years ago - that's how I got here.
It worked for me - and still works for others - break the barrier&
convince of the goodness!

If an acceptable reason for nicking one our copies I will gladly spend
the postage etc.


Regards,
Bill B. [SuperEngineer]

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absolutely fine, I am more than happy to stuff an envelope with as 
many as will fit for you to hand out. Anyone who has an organized 
means to hand out lots of them can ask for a box of 75 (folk who do 
computer fairs, have a shop or work in a university or whatever, just 
tell me how you are going to get them distributed and you can have them)


Alan.




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Alan Bell]

On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:


Alan,
would it be "accwptable" to ask for one purely on the basis that when
saying "you really ought to try this" to those I'm trying to convert -
it is more convincing / " professional to show a cd from a "professonal"
covered CD wrapper?  After all - many years ago - that's how I got here.
It worked for me - and still works for others - break the barrier&
convince of the goodness!

If an acceptable reason for nicking one our copies I will gladly spend
the postage etc.


Regards,
Bill B. [SuperEngineer]

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absolutely fine, I am more than happy to stuff an envelope with as many 
as will fit for you to hand out. Anyone who has an organized means to 
hand out lots of them can ask for a box of 75 (folk who do computer 
fairs, have a shop or work in a university or whatever, just tell me how 
you are going to get them distributed and you can have them)


Alan.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Phill Whiteside]

Does this ability spread to other flavours of the family, or just Ubuntu?
The artwork for Lubuntu 12.04 is at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing is this possible and at what cost
/ CD?

Thanks,

Phill.

On 15 April 2012 00:10, Bill Baker  wrote:

> On Sat, 2012-04-14 at 18:56 +0100, Pete Smout wrote:
> > On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:
> > > Registered Ubuntu User 32366
> > Not related but how do you
> > Registered Ubuntu User 32366 ?
> >
> >
>
> It was a thing started a long time ago [& now forgotten, I fear]
> http://counter.li.org/
>
> "Silver Fox" also started an Ubuntu users counter if you're inrested, as
> I recall - quite a while back -both may or mayu not still be active.
>
> Nice to see I'm not the only one proud of what I'm using!
>
> Regards,
> Bill B. [SuperEngineer]
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Bill Baker]

On Sat, 2012-04-14 at 18:56 +0100, Pete Smout wrote:
> On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:
> > Registered Ubuntu User 32366
> Not related but how do you
> Registered Ubuntu User 32366 ?
> 
> 

It was a thing started a long time ago [& now forgotten, I fear]
http://counter.li.org/

"Silver Fox" also started an Ubuntu users counter if you're inrested, as
I recall - quite a while back -both may or mayu not still be active.

Nice to see I'm not the only one proud of what I'm using!

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Gareth France]

Pardon?

On 14/04/12 18:56, Pete Smout wrote:

On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:

Registered Ubuntu User 32366

Not related but how do you
Registered Ubuntu User 32366 ?





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Pete Smout]

On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:

Registered Ubuntu User 32366

Not related but how do you
Registered Ubuntu User 32366 ?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Bill Baker]

On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 10:30 +0100, Alan Bell wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am now accepting pre-orders for CDs of the Ubuntu 12.04 release.
> 
> Please email me off-list for the address to send your stamped addressed 
> envelope and I will put these to one side and send out CDs as soon as I 
> get them.
> CDs are free, you just pay for postage both ways (two "second large" stamps)
> 
> Alan.
> 
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> at http://libertus.co.uk
> 
> 

Alan,
would it be "accwptable" to ask for one purely on the basis that when
saying "you really ought to try this" to those I'm trying to convert -
it is more convincing / " professional to show a cd from a "professonal"
covered CD wrapper?  After all - many years ago - that's how I got here.
It worked for me - and still works for others - break the barrier &
convince of the goodness!

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the postage etc.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Alan Bell]

On 10/04/12 10:46, James Thomas wrote:

Are there going to be any knocking around at the Release Party?

Cheers

JT

not official printed ones, the final image that gets pressed is only 
ready on release day, they then get manufactured, normally in Holland 
and shipped over.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[James Thomas]

Are there going to be any knocking around at the Release Party?

Cheers

JT

On 10 April 2012 10:30, Alan Bell  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am now accepting pre-orders for CDs of the Ubuntu 12.04 release.
>
> Please email me off-list for the address to send your stamped addressed
> envelope and I will put these to one side and send out CDs as soon as I get
> them.
> CDs are free, you just pay for postage both ways (two "second large"
> stamps)
>
> Alan.
>
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