Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
Liam Proven wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 16:20 +, Steve wrote: I thought I’d seen it before. Looks like a nice idea for those that don’t want a big box but dislike the dinky little screens and odd keyboard layout of a laptop. But why pretend it's a C64? That's like BMW pretending they build Minis. :) I'd rather a C21 Amiga, myself - but they went PowerPC, meaning they are in an even smaller niche today than they used to be. If only Transmeta were still going. It would have been possible, with the right CodeMorphing firmware, for a Transmeta machine to run PowerPC or MC68060 code... Or maybe even both. Such a shame they died... :¬( I guess the nearest thing for those of us who can't afford the exotic hardware is to run something like the UAE Amiga emulator) :-) I'm sure I read somewhere a while back that someone had managed to emulate the Amiga hardware on an FPGA. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: Liam Proven wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 16:20 +, Steve wrote: I thought I’d seen it before. Looks like a nice idea for those that don’t want a big box but dislike the dinky little screens and odd keyboard layout of a laptop. But why pretend it's a C64? That's like BMW pretending they build Minis. :) I'd rather a C21 Amiga, myself - but they went PowerPC, meaning they are in an even smaller niche today than they used to be. If only Transmeta were still going. It would have been possible, with the right CodeMorphing firmware, for a Transmeta machine to run PowerPC or MC68060 code... Or maybe even both. Such a shame they died... :¬( I guess the nearest thing for those of us who can't afford the exotic hardware is to run something like the UAE Amiga emulator) :-) I'm sure I read somewhere a while back that someone had managed to emulate the Amiga hardware on an FPGA. Rob Indeed. It's called Minimig it's very impressive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimig -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Is this real? http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu. Dianne It's true inasmuch as that machine is not even remotely a Commodore 64. It's an all-in-one but otherwise entirely generic x86 PC being sold by a small company who has bought (or leased) the rights to the Commodore name, which has been widely traded in the 16 years since the company went bust. There's virtually no info on that rather amateurish page; I found it through an inaccurate error-riddled news story on ZDNet Australia last night. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
This looks like a very nice computer, but we have to wait until 1st June 2010 to see pricing or to be able to order. I would think it is real, there is no reason why such hardware should not exist. And great as well that the default OS is Ubuntu, if you want Windows, you pay extra. All computers should be sold this way, with a few other choices of Linux for no extra cost and Windows at various prices, so that a person could have Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, or Kubuntu, etc. If I was looking for a neat small PC that requires little space, this is a real serious alternative to having a laptop in the home that would otherwise never be taken out anywhere. David King Dianne Reuby wrote: Is this real? http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu. Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
Dianne Reuby wrote: Is this real? http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu. Hello, Dianne. Seems like it's just a badge-engineered version of one of these: http://www.cybernetman.com/en/products/zero-footprint-pc/zpc-gx31.cfm Bye, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, University of Aberdeen, Rowett Institute of Nutrition and Health, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK tel +44(0)1224 712751, fax +44(0)1224 716687, http://www.rowett.ac.uk mailto:a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk, http://bioinformatics.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Is this real? http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu. Think of it as a modern computer in the C64 form factor (shape). Does this form factor have any technical advantages over modern desktops? I cannot think of any technical advantages. It mentions a Core Duo CPU (instead of Atom), which means it's rather heavy duty instead of an eco friendly computer. The market they are looking into is those who want to revive their old C64 memories. Simos -- A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:53:30 -, Tony Travis a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk wrote: Dianne Reuby wrote: Is this real? http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu. Hello, Dianne. Seems like it's just a badge-engineered version of one of these: http://www.cybernetman.com/en/products/zero-footprint-pc/zpc-gx31.cfm I thought I’d seen it before. Looks like a nice idea for those that don’t want a big box but dislike the dinky little screens and odd keyboard layout of a laptop. -- Steve (Yorvyk) http://www.lubuntu.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 17:54 +0200, Simos Xenitellis wrote: The market they are looking into is those who want to revive their old C64 memories. Don't think they'll succeed - my reaction was It's a different case, a different chip, a different OS, what a cheek! Mind you I was offended when they brought out a C64 in an Amiga case. :) Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Tony Travis a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk wrote: Dianne Reuby wrote: Is this real? http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu. Hello, Dianne. Seems like it's just a badge-engineered version of one of these: http://www.cybernetman.com/en/products/zero-footprint-pc/zpc-gx31.cfm Bye, Tony. Oh, well spotted! I thought I'd seen them somewhere before. That was it. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:41 PM, David King linux...@avoura.com wrote: This looks like a very nice computer, but we have to wait until 1st June 2010 to see pricing or to be able to order. It isn't, really, you know. The Core2 Duo is quite an old machine now. The Core i3 is rather more modern, significantly faster has an integrated GPU. This Commodore machine has a somewhat outdated chip, a poor Intel GPU and limited RAM expansion - in fact, limited anything expansion. I would think it is real, there is no reason why such hardware should not exist. And great as well that the default OS is Ubuntu, if you want Windows, you pay extra. All computers should be sold this way, with a few other choices of Linux for no extra cost and Windows at various prices, so that a person could have Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, or Kubuntu, etc. If I was looking for a neat small PC that requires little space, this is a real serious alternative to having a laptop in the home that would otherwise never be taken out anywhere. Actually, yes, I agree with all of that! -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Is this real? http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu. Think of it as a modern computer in the C64 form factor (shape). Does this form factor have any technical advantages over modern desktops? I cannot think of any technical advantages. No, but several disadvantages. There's next to no expansion. There is a PCI slot in there but you can't use it as there's no room. It doesn't boast faster external buses such as eSATA, USB3, Firewire or Firewire 800. A CardBus slot would have been more use than that PCI or mini-PCIe one. You are stuck with the built-in keyboard. Bizarrely, it has keyboard mouse ports - which along with the PCI slot show that this is not a purpose-designed motherboard, just a mini-ITX one in a novel case. If you spill liquid into the keyboard or something it shorts out, you're stuffed, even an external one won't help. And the notion of an external keyboard mouse plugged into a PC that is essentially a keyboard mouse is rather bizarre, to my thinking. It mentions a Core Duo CPU (instead of Atom), which means it's rather heavy duty instead of an eco friendly computer. Well, not really, no. The Core2 Duo is a laptop chip as well, it's not power-hungry. Meanwhile the Atom is a deeply crippled chip, massively less powerful than even the crappy crippled low-end Intel offerings such as the Celeron and Pentium Dual Core. Atoms run something like one-quarter to one-sixth of the CPU horsepower of a Core2 Duo of the same speed. The Atom was made for netbooks - I don't think they're a good idea for any desktop device. But the Core2 is rather past it now. A Core i3 or Core i5 would have made more sense if they want to claim half-decent CPU power. Not that I would want to recommend Dell, normally, but if you want a small neat quiet computer, something like this - a Dell Zinio - makes more sense to me: http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspiron-zino-hd?c=ukl=ens=dhscs=ukdhs1 The market they are looking into is those who want to revive their old C64 memories. Absolutely. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
I am not really up to date with the latest Intel CPUs, especially given their confusing names these days. (e.g. a Core 2 has only 1 core, not 2, but a Core 2 Duo has 2 cores, and not 4. And how many cores does an i3, i5 or i7 have?) AMD on the other hand, use logical names for their CPUs. But still it is a nice shape, and a barebones version is or will be available. I suppose a lot depends on the pricing. David King Liam Proven wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:41 PM, David King linux...@avoura.com wrote: This looks like a very nice computer, but we have to wait until 1st June 2010 to see pricing or to be able to order. It isn't, really, you know. The Core2 Duo is quite an old machine now. The Core i3 is rather more modern, significantly faster has an integrated GPU. This Commodore machine has a somewhat outdated chip, a poor Intel GPU and limited RAM expansion - in fact, limited anything expansion. I would think it is real, there is no reason why such hardware should not exist. And great as well that the default OS is Ubuntu, if you want Windows, you pay extra. All computers should be sold this way, with a few other choices of Linux for no extra cost and Windows at various prices, so that a person could have Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, or Kubuntu, etc. If I was looking for a neat small PC that requires little space, this is a real serious alternative to having a laptop in the home that would otherwise never be taken out anywhere. Actually, yes, I agree with all of that! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 16:20 +, Steve wrote: I thought I’d seen it before. Looks like a nice idea for those that don’t want a big box but dislike the dinky little screens and odd keyboard layout of a laptop. But why pretend it's a C64? That's like BMW pretending they build Minis. :) Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 16:20 +, Steve wrote: I thought I’d seen it before. Looks like a nice idea for those that don’t want a big box but dislike the dinky little screens and odd keyboard layout of a laptop. But why pretend it's a C64? That's like BMW pretending they build Minis. :) I'd rather a C21 Amiga, myself - but they went PowerPC, meaning they are in an even smaller niche today than they used to be. If only Transmeta were still going. It would have been possible, with the right CodeMorphing firmware, for a Transmeta machine to run PowerPC or MC68060 code... Or maybe even both. Such a shame they died... :¬( -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
