Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest...
Hi Alec, On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 21:10 +0100, Alec Wright wrote: > On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 20:57 +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: > > > And of course the beauty of HDDs is that they're R/W, so you store the > > up to date images on a server and when the HDDs go out you just copy > > across the latest image. > > That just gave me an idea... (if you're sane you'll stop reading now) > Canonical could sell external hard disks with version(s), > architecture(s) and (what do you call those things which main, > restricted, universe and multiverse are?)(s) which you choose on them. > After you've chosen what you want (eg main and restricted for feisty and > dapper), they recommend the right size hard drive for you. They put the > repos on the hard drive and send it to you. > Then perhaps you could send it back to them and them pay them a bit to > update it... > Except there'd probably not be much demand for this. It would only be > useful in large businesses, which would almost undoubtedly have an > internet connection. Oh well... My idea sucks... Live with it. > > Er, that's exactly what I proposed when I first brought this up, only not Canonical specifically doing it. :) Cheersm Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest...
On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 20:57 +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: > And of course the beauty of HDDs is that they're R/W, so you store the > up to date images on a server and when the HDDs go out you just copy > across the latest image. That just gave me an idea... (if you're sane you'll stop reading now) Canonical could sell external hard disks with version(s), architecture(s) and (what do you call those things which main, restricted, universe and multiverse are?)(s) which you choose on them. After you've chosen what you want (eg main and restricted for feisty and dapper), they recommend the right size hard drive for you. They put the repos on the hard drive and send it to you. Then perhaps you could send it back to them and them pay them a bit to update it... Except there'd probably not be much demand for this. It would only be useful in large businesses, which would almost undoubtedly have an internet connection. Oh well... My idea sucks... Live with it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest...
Popey replied, when I asked about the size of the repos, that they were about 30 Gb for 7.0.4, so 170 Gb for all flavours seems quite reasonable. And of course the beauty of HDDs is that they're R/W, so you store the up to date images on a server and when the HDDs go out you just copy across the latest image. Keep it small and keep costs down. E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Wild Sent: 25 July 2007 19:20 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... It creates an APT repository on a CD/DVD. You are able to select which packages you want to add to the disc. It's a great way to distribute updates, etc. to PCs with no internet access. See the site here: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ I filed an issue on Launchpad, since it pops up a dialog when a duplicate .deb was detected. Handling as many packages as I was it got very annoying to keep clicking OK. This has apparently been fixed, but I don't think in the version in Feisty. If you are going to use it the way I did, it might be best to build from source. Matthew. On 7/25/07, Andy Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know enough about this, but what does aptonCD do? Andy Loughran www.zrmt.com m: 07921076319 - Original Message - From: "alan c" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" Sent: 25 July 2007 19:04:18 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... Matthew Wild wrote: > On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: >> >> The 'Repo on external drives' idea is superb, i often want to install >> things at work, which is a secure network and hence we cant have internet >> access to not secured machines, would also be better for big sites IE >> schools/businesses who dont want to have their proxys loaded with small >> .debs (think WSUS). Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are? > > > About 30GB, or so I was told... > > As >> to price, buying from and normal retail outlet will be expensive, somebody >> must have a trade account at a cash'n'carry somewhere? >> >> Steven Pepperell >> > > > I know someone who lives in another country with only dial-up access to the > internet. While it is of course possible for him to order a CD from shipit, > Ubuntu is still only supplied with a basic set of applications. > > Instead I am sending him a CD by post, along with a custom DVD of packages. > I wrote a small script to parse the Ubuntu popcon results, and select the > top N packages that fit into a specified capacity. I then passed these to > 'aptitude download' which will grab the debs, which can then be used by > AptOnCD. This way I managed to build myself a DVD containing pretty much > most of the commonly installed packages. > > I even made a copy for myself, for when I take my laptop on the road... it's > really handy :D Of course the obvious benefit of a HDD is greater capacity, > and you can update it whenever necessary. Still, I just wanted to share my > story :) nice one Matthew The DVD idea could be continued on a basis of the most popular or whatever, and be available as an active choice download perhaps? -- Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest...
It creates an APT repository on a CD/DVD. You are able to select which packages you want to add to the disc. It's a great way to distribute updates, etc. to PCs with no internet access. See the site here: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ I filed an issue on Launchpad, since it pops up a dialog when a duplicate .deb was detected. Handling as many packages as I was it got very annoying to keep clicking OK. This has apparently been fixed, but I don't think in the version in Feisty. If you are going to use it the way I did, it might be best to build from source. Matthew. On 7/25/07, Andy Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know enough about this, but what does aptonCD do? Andy Loughran www.zrmt.com m: 07921076319 - Original Message - From: "alan c" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" Sent: 25 July 2007 19:04:18 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... Matthew Wild wrote: > On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The 'Repo on external drives' idea is superb, i often want to install >> things at work, which is a secure network and hence we cant have internet >> access to not secured machines, would also be better for big sites IE >> schools/businesses who dont want to have their proxys loaded with small >> .debs (think WSUS). Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are? > > > About 30GB, or so I was told... > > As >> to price, buying from and normal retail outlet will be expensive, somebody >> must have a trade account at a cash'n'carry somewhere? >> >> Steven Pepperell >> > > > I know someone who lives in another country with only dial-up access to the > internet. While it is of course possible for him to order a CD from shipit, > Ubuntu is still only supplied with a basic set of applications. > > Instead I am sending him a CD by post, along with a custom DVD of packages. > I wrote a small script to parse the Ubuntu popcon results, and select the > top N packages that fit into a specified capacity. I then passed these to > 'aptitude download' which will grab the debs, which can then be used by > AptOnCD. This way I managed to build myself a DVD containing pretty much > most of the commonly installed packages. > > I even made a copy for myself, for when I take my laptop on the road... it's > really handy :D Of course the obvious benefit of a HDD is greater capacity, > and you can update it whenever necessary. Still, I just wanted to share my > story :) nice one Matthew The DVD idea could be continued on a basis of the most popular or whatever, and be available as an active choice download perhaps? -- Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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I don't know enough about this, but what does aptonCD do? Andy Loughran www.zrmt.com m: 07921076319 - Original Message - From: "alan c" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" Sent: 25 July 2007 19:04:18 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... Matthew Wild wrote: > On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The 'Repo on external drives' idea is superb, i often want to install >> things at work, which is a secure network and hence we cant have internet >> access to not secured machines, would also be better for big sites IE >> schools/businesses who dont want to have their proxys loaded with small >> .debs (think WSUS). Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are? > > > About 30GB, or so I was told... > > As >> to price, buying from and normal retail outlet will be expensive, somebody >> must have a trade account at a cash'n'carry somewhere? >> >> Steven Pepperell >> > > > I know someone who lives in another country with only dial-up access to the > internet. While it is of course possible for him to order a CD from shipit, > Ubuntu is still only supplied with a basic set of applications. > > Instead I am sending him a CD by post, along with a custom DVD of packages. > I wrote a small script to parse the Ubuntu popcon results, and select the > top N packages that fit into a specified capacity. I then passed these to > 'aptitude download' which will grab the debs, which can then be used by > AptOnCD. This way I managed to build myself a DVD containing pretty much > most of the commonly installed packages. > > I even made a copy for myself, for when I take my laptop on the road... it's > really handy :D Of course the obvious benefit of a HDD is greater capacity, > and you can update it whenever necessary. Still, I just wanted to share my > story :) nice one Matthew The DVD idea could be continued on a basis of the most popular or whatever, and be available as an active choice download perhaps? -- Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Matthew Wild wrote: > On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The 'Repo on external drives' idea is superb, i often want to install >> things at work, which is a secure network and hence we cant have internet >> access to not secured machines, would also be better for big sites IE >> schools/businesses who dont want to have their proxys loaded with small >> .debs (think WSUS). Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are? > > > About 30GB, or so I was told... > > As >> to price, buying from and normal retail outlet will be expensive, somebody >> must have a trade account at a cash'n'carry somewhere? >> >> Steven Pepperell >> > > > I know someone who lives in another country with only dial-up access to the > internet. While it is of course possible for him to order a CD from shipit, > Ubuntu is still only supplied with a basic set of applications. > > Instead I am sending him a CD by post, along with a custom DVD of packages. > I wrote a small script to parse the Ubuntu popcon results, and select the > top N packages that fit into a specified capacity. I then passed these to > 'aptitude download' which will grab the debs, which can then be used by > AptOnCD. This way I managed to build myself a DVD containing pretty much > most of the commonly installed packages. > > I even made a copy for myself, for when I take my laptop on the road... it's > really handy :D Of course the obvious benefit of a HDD is greater capacity, > and you can update it whenever necessary. Still, I just wanted to share my > story :) nice one Matthew The DVD idea could be continued on a basis of the most popular or whatever, and be available as an active choice download perhaps? -- Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 13:15 +0100, Matthew Wild wrote: > On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are? > > About 30GB, or so I was told... I dunno about individual versions and architectures, but its about 170GB for all currently supported (ie. which have not reached EOL: Dapper LTS, Edgy, Feisty, Gutsy) versions in all architectures (AMD64, i386, PPC (<=Edgy), Sparc (limited selection of packages) -- Alec Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 'Repo on external drives' idea is superb, i often want to install things at work, which is a secure network and hence we cant have internet access to not secured machines, would also be better for big sites IE schools/businesses who dont want to have their proxys loaded with small .debs (think WSUS). Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are? About 30GB, or so I was told... As to price, buying from and normal retail outlet will be expensive, somebody must have a trade account at a cash'n'carry somewhere? Steven Pepperell I know someone who lives in another country with only dial-up access to the internet. While it is of course possible for him to order a CD from shipit, Ubuntu is still only supplied with a basic set of applications. Instead I am sending him a CD by post, along with a custom DVD of packages. I wrote a small script to parse the Ubuntu popcon results, and select the top N packages that fit into a specified capacity. I then passed these to 'aptitude download' which will grab the debs, which can then be used by AptOnCD. This way I managed to build myself a DVD containing pretty much most of the commonly installed packages. I even made a copy for myself, for when I take my laptop on the road... it's really handy :D Of course the obvious benefit of a HDD is greater capacity, and you can update it whenever necessary. Still, I just wanted to share my story :) Matthew. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest...
The 'Repo on external drives' idea is superb, i often want to install things at work, which is a secure network and hence we cant have internet access to not secured machines, would also be better for big sites IE schools/businesses who dont want to have their proxys loaded with small .debs (think WSUS). Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are? As to price, buying from and normal retail outlet will be expensive, somebody must have a trade account at a cash'n'carry somewhere? Steven Pepperell > Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Users - disabled or learning difficulty (alan c) >2. Repos on a Disk (Ian Pascoe) >3. Hardware Offers (Ian Pascoe) >4. USB Drives (Ian Pascoe) >5. Re: Users - disabled or learning difficulty (Ian Pascoe) >6. Re: Users - disabled or learning difficulty (Lucy) >7. Re: Users - disabled or learning difficulty (alan c) >8. Re: Users - disabled or learning difficulty (alan c) >9. Re: Repos on a Disk (alan c) > 10. Re: [uk-marketing] Spearhead the attack (alan c) > 11. Re: Users - disabled or learning difficulty (Ian Pascoe) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:37:10 +0100 > From: alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty > To: British Ubuntu Talk > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I have made contact with a local charity who are soon to create a > facility of a few PCs for use by their clients. > > I am not aware of a Ubuntu related group which has such an interest - > comments would be welcomed. > > My knowledge of software for such users only brings to mind > proprietary software (on windows). The charity has a small > organisation which is apparently only familiar with windows, and is > taking advice from another charity which ultimately is heavily funded > by a well resourced very large software company (ms). > > I will do my best in the cause of Ubuntu however, it its a bit > unlikely that there will be a major culture change just because I > happened to walk through the door today. > > A related question: > If I happen to be successful, they will need some measure of support, > ideally several part time volunteers. Is anyone in the bracknell area > who would be prepared to help a charity with Ubuntu on a free basis or > very low rates? > -- > alan cocks > Kubuntu user#10391 > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:40:54 +0100 > From: "Ian Pascoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Repos on a Disk > To: "British Ubuntu Talk" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi-de-hi > > Popey floated an idea a little while back about putting the entire Ubuntu > Repository onto a portable HD for use by those who don't have the ability > to connect to the Internet or only over dial-up. > > Just to bring to everyones attention that the apt-get series of commands > appears to have been enhanced to do exactly this apt-get mirror for > example. > > E > > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:40:54 +0100 > From: "Ian Pascoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Hardware Offers > To: "British Ubuntu Talk" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Folks > > Following on from the Repos posting, I've just got a mail shot from Amazon > advising on "special offer" prices on laptops and portable HDs until > 29/07/07. Haven't had chance to look muyself yet though - normal > disclaimer. > > E > > > > > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:40:54 +0100 > From: "Ian Pascoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ubuntu-uk] USB Drives > To: "British Ubuntu Talk" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > OK, I've got back to this one again. > > Still can't see it eithre on the desktop or within Nautilus. > > Anyone got any ideas how I can get it to appear? > > E > > -Original Message- > From: Ian Pascoe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 06 June 2007 21:33 > To: British Ubuntu Talk > Subject: RE: [ubuntu-uk] FW: USB Drives > > > Hi Folks > > This is the output from DMESG that's relevant: > > [ 166.971816] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and > address > 2 > [ 167
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 7 ref support points
That sounds good, but obviously we can't use ning.com if it doesn't do UK postcodes. I'm very keen to support/advertise Google maps (http://www.google.com/apis/maps/ ), because of their whole business practice (have you *seen* their office? ;) ), involvement in Open Source (Summer of Code, porting Google Earth to Linux, Wine, etc.) but that's just a personal preference - what do you think to that? Also, the map is easily zoomable, scrollable and you can navigate around it like lightning compared with any other map I've used online. If you look at the source on http://map.ubuntu-be.org/fr/index.php, each new point on the map is a block of _javascript_: var point = new GLatLng(50.6627,5.5239);var marker = createSupporterMarker(point, 'Emmanuel, lilit.be, utilisateur expérimentérue Monfort4430 AnsSeulement des packs d\'installation gravés en stockDémonstration, installation possibleVolontaire individuelMe contacter ');map.addOverlay(marker); So if you could write some PHP that would take data from an "add my location to the map" form and actually stuff it into a PHP include file in the format above and save the include file, that'd be amazing! Before we can sign up for an API key for Google maps, we need a domain name. Perhaps you could sign up temporarily for one on your own domain to play with it for now, if you so wish. I'll start a separate thread on whether or not we should have a separate site - I and John Levin have mentioned a few pros and cons in private and it needs airing to the whole community first! Steve :) -- ubuntu-uk mailing list ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
