Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
By Grabthars hammer, you will be avenged. Right now i've said that, i'm off to find a pub On 09/08/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: £30 - What a savings! (in the voice of Alan Rickman in Galaxy Quest). That's great :) I'm sorely tempted lol Pete On 08/08/07, donny mccoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think i would rather go down the warehouse, http:://www.e-woc.co.uk and buy a barebones and set it up myself... Linux User: 447671 Ubuntu User: 16457 From: Kris Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:14:33 +0100 On 8/8/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| Pete Hi Pete, Hopefully you'll be pleased to know that you are incorrect :-) For the same specs notebook (6400 vs 6400n): With Ubuntu - £329 With Windows Vista - £358.99 Relevant Specs: N-Series-Intel(r) Celeron(r) M 520 Processor (1.6GHz,533MHz,1MB cache) 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) Display 512MB 533MHz Single Channel DDR2 SDRAM [1x512] 60GB (5400rpm) SATA Hard Drive N-Series - Intel(r) Media Accelerator 950 Graphics Up to 256MB shared graphics memory 8x DVD/24x CDRW No Floppy Drive Accessories Intel(r) Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-PCI Card (for Celeron Processors) So if you found the prices to be the same initially, I imagine they may have just copied and pasted the Windows Vista product offering, then tweaked it further down the line - including the price. HTH Kris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Get Pimped! FREE emoticons and customisation from Windows Live - Pimp My Live! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
£30 - What a savings! (in the voice of Alan Rickman in Galaxy Quest). That's great :) I'm sorely tempted lol Pete On 08/08/07, donny mccoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think i would rather go down the warehouse, http:://www.e-woc.co.uk and buy a barebones and set it up myself... Linux User: 447671 Ubuntu User: 16457 -- From: *Kris Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Reply-To: *British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com* To: *British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com* Subject: *Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK* Date: *Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:14:33 +0100* On 8/8/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| Pete Hi Pete, Hopefully you'll be pleased to know that you are incorrect :-) For the same specs notebook (6400 vs 6400n): With Ubuntu - £329 With Windows Vista - £358.99 Relevant Specs: N-Series-Intel(r) Celeron(r) M 520 Processor (1.6GHz,533MHz,1MB cache) 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) Display 512MB 533MHz Single Channel DDR2 SDRAM [1x512] 60GB (5400rpm) SATA Hard Drive N-Series - Intel(r) Media Accelerator 950 Graphics Up to 256MB shared graphics memory 8x DVD/24x CDRW No Floppy Drive Accessories Intel(r) Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-PCI Card (for Celeron Processors) So if you found the prices to be the same initially, I imagine they may have just copied and pasted the Windows Vista product offering, then tweaked it further down the line - including the price. HTH Kris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Get Pimped! FREE emoticons and customisation from Windows Live - Pimp My Live! http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUK/2731??PS=47575 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 8/8/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up everyone! It's 8th August at last! http://dell.co.uk/ubuntu The best thing thats happened in the UK since cillit bang grime and lime :) The link http://dell.co.uk/ubuntu works but when I select the Ubuntu Desktop range I get this error 'The page you requested may no longer exist on Dell.com' Seems they are not quite ready to sell us Dell's with Ubuntu. Annoyingly they also have a Dell with Windows link on that page which of course works. And I agree Cilit Bang is a great product, cleaned my grimmy shower and sink up really well. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 8/7/07, Darren Mansell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:37 +0100, Pete Stean wrote: Wonder how they're getting on with enabling all the features on the laptop though - power management etc - are there any caveats I wonder? Pete My Lenovo built for Windows laptop works fine with wifi/ACPI etc. so if they've had time to get the BIOS sorted for proper standards rather than the Microsoft HCT it should be fine. FWIW, I've been running Ubuntu on an Inspiron 6000 since breezy and everything has worked flawlessly, barring the winmodem, of course. John -- John Dow [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nelefa.org Dreamers come and go, but a dream's forever. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Pete Stean wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| I would (buy one). With dell behind ubuntu and making some reasonable efforts I would probably pay more for a ubuntu machine than an equivalent windows one. I also do not want a windows tax to be passed to M$. Standing up to be counted is not always a totally comfortable experience. I like Linux and I find on reflection that I have spent more money, not less, on computers and computing since I have become settled with Linux than ever I did when locked into (and resentful with) windows. The reason why I use linux and specifically K/Ubuntu is not cost. Nor would I vote for say, a candidate who bought me a best lunch, nor necessarily go for the lowest quote for similar work promises. I just do not think life is *that* simple. Having said all that, I will be delighted when the linux version products are lower priced. I guess that will happen when Dell's throughput increases and they have an established and increasing market. That will happen faster when you buy one also :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
alan, cost is not an issue for me either - I wasn't really arguing for myself when I talked about the identical pricing. What I was thinking about was how could I possibly convince a friend or relative who has a vague interest in running linux to buy the linux-loaded Dell when they see that the vista machine is exactly the same price (and they know that Vista is worth something in monetary terms, but also that ubuntu is free). I can just predict how that conversation would go - Jo Public buys on *price* not on principles. Thus I can't see these linux Dells flying off the shelves, and therefore Dell assuming that there is little interest, when in fact there is but they just can't see it Pete On 08/08/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete Stean wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| I would (buy one). With dell behind ubuntu and making some reasonable efforts I would probably pay more for a ubuntu machine than an equivalent windows one. I also do not want a windows tax to be passed to M$. Standing up to be counted is not always a totally comfortable experience. I like Linux and I find on reflection that I have spent more money, not less, on computers and computing since I have become settled with Linux than ever I did when locked into (and resentful with) windows. The reason why I use linux and specifically K/Ubuntu is not cost. Nor would I vote for say, a candidate who bought me a best lunch, nor necessarily go for the lowest quote for similar work promises. I just do not think life is *that* simple. Having said all that, I will be delighted when the linux version products are lower priced. I guess that will happen when Dell's throughput increases and they have an established and increasing market. That will happen faster when you buy one also :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Nik Butler wrote: Pete Stean wrote: The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| Why ? Well because the additional saving of the License if off set by the additional bloatware that is installed and paid to be installed by other software vendors. Hardware costs and minimal and the cost of the license ( and I really want someone from Dell to show me this not some armchair pundit ! ) is incredibly negligible to be not worth the value of the discount compared to the revenue made by other advertisers. I've never understood how or why this works! Why should the vendor of the bloatware pay Dell to install it? Surelly, Dell should buy a license for the bloatware from its vendor and pass this on to the customer. It just seems counter intutitive to me, but then I work in a University and have almost zero understanding of how business works! On the other point of the Vista machine being the same price as Ubuntu, then it is not. Add in the price of Microsoft Office and then compare the costs! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 12:32 +0100, Dave Murphy wrote: Canonical announced today that DELL machines are available in the UK, France and Germany. http://www.ubuntu.com/news/dell-available-in-europe It's great news, but WHY OH WHY aren't they selling the Inspiron 1420N in Europe? They'll get my money when they will sell me a 14 laptop with Ubuntu on. If they won't, I may have to get a Lenovo with SuSE, and hope that it works with ubuntu. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Pete Stean wrote: alan, cost is not an issue for me either - I wasn't really arguing for myself when I talked about the identical pricing. What I was thinking about was how could I possibly convince a friend or relative who has a vague interest in running linux to buy the linux-loaded Dell when they see that the vista machine is exactly the same price (and they know that Vista is worth something in monetary terms, but also that ubuntu is free). I can just predict how that conversation would go - Jo Public buys on *price* not on principles. Thus I can't see these linux Dells flying off the shelves, and therefore Dell assuming that there is little interest, when in fact there is but they just can't see it Accepted yes. I have found that people around me are influenced by what they see me do and by what I say. The various people who are using linux because of me directly have had it installed by me (!) and have based their trust in what they know of me. Their alternative is to find another 'advisor' (friend or family member, FOFM), or to trust the retail shop. Money is important I fully agree, and particularly for the uninformed and uncommitted. I do not think the Dell moves will directly influence uninformed people, but they will notice that an alternative suddenly exists. And yes they would take notice more quickly if there was a price drop. But this is a first step in a marketing process - visibility. Some of my friends will in the future want a dell ubuntu PC. Some will still want me to create a dual boot PC. IF Dell are offering the same as single boot, it will make it much easier to get the possibility accepted. I think Dell believe there is significant interest (profit) in linux. Micheal Dell bought into some Linux companies a few years ago I think, but his ventures were moderated (so I heard) apparently by the association with MS whereby Del was not prohibited from selling linux but were restrained from -promoting- it. The cleverness in the existing situation is that a user ideas forum has done the promoting itself! The line Dell is consistently taking is that this venture is customer led. No dell *promotion*. Which hopefully will tread the fine line they have to move along commercially. I think it would be a bad situation if by some means the Dell ubuntu PCs were very much cheaper just now because if a lot of uninformed purchases occurred, linux would get bad publicity from helpless users who could not get support from their neighbours. The commercial pressures Dell are under encourage a slow start, and this also allows the community, including FOFM's, to adjust and support, I hope. :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
If there is one really good thing to come out of this (other than simply visibility of our chosen O/S on the shelf) it's the fact that, in addition to the Suse/Lenovo offering, we now know of at least two laptops that can run linux without any major impediments - makes the purchase of my next laptop a much less fraught experience :) Pete On 08/08/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete Stean wrote: alan, cost is not an issue for me either - I wasn't really arguing for myself when I talked about the identical pricing. What I was thinking about was how could I possibly convince a friend or relative who has a vague interest in running linux to buy the linux-loaded Dell when they see that the vista machine is exactly the same price (and they know that Vista is worth something in monetary terms, but also that ubuntu is free). I can just predict how that conversation would go - Jo Public buys on *price* not on principles. Thus I can't see these linux Dells flying off the shelves, and therefore Dell assuming that there is little interest, when in fact there is but they just can't see it Accepted yes. I have found that people around me are influenced by what they see me do and by what I say. The various people who are using linux because of me directly have had it installed by me (!) and have based their trust in what they know of me. Their alternative is to find another 'advisor' (friend or family member, FOFM), or to trust the retail shop. Money is important I fully agree, and particularly for the uninformed and uncommitted. I do not think the Dell moves will directly influence uninformed people, but they will notice that an alternative suddenly exists. And yes they would take notice more quickly if there was a price drop. But this is a first step in a marketing process - visibility. Some of my friends will in the future want a dell ubuntu PC. Some will still want me to create a dual boot PC. IF Dell are offering the same as single boot, it will make it much easier to get the possibility accepted. I think Dell believe there is significant interest (profit) in linux. Micheal Dell bought into some Linux companies a few years ago I think, but his ventures were moderated (so I heard) apparently by the association with MS whereby Del was not prohibited from selling linux but were restrained from -promoting- it. The cleverness in the existing situation is that a user ideas forum has done the promoting itself! The line Dell is consistently taking is that this venture is customer led. No dell *promotion*. Which hopefully will tread the fine line they have to move along commercially. I think it would be a bad situation if by some means the Dell ubuntu PCs were very much cheaper just now because if a lot of uninformed purchases occurred, linux would get bad publicity from helpless users who could not get support from their neighbours. The commercial pressures Dell are under encourage a slow start, and this also allows the community, including FOFM's, to adjust and support, I hope. :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Tony Arnold wrote: I've never understood how or why this works! Why should the vendor of the bloatware pay Dell to install it? Surelly, Dell should buy a license for the bloatware from its vendor and pass this on to the customer. It just seems counter intutitive to me, but then I work in a University and have almost zero understanding of how business works! It's the free trial principle. The software that's included is something like a 30-day version of a paint program, or a 6-month subscription to an anti-virus product. Once the customer is hooked on the product, it's easier for them to get out a credit card and pay the fee to enable it for longer than to start looking around for alternatives. On the bright side, sometimes this approach gets people into FL/OSS software my brother, for instance, used the paint program until it expired, decided he needed a paint program, and now uses The GIMP. Once you've got someone on The GIMP, OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird, it's not a long stretch to get them onto Ubuntu M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Mark, Mark Harrison wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: I've never understood how or why this works! Why should the vendor of the bloatware pay Dell to install it? Surelly, Dell should buy a license for the bloatware from its vendor and pass this on to the customer. It just seems counter intutitive to me, but then I work in a University and have almost zero understanding of how business works! It's the free trial principle. The software that's included is something like a 30-day version of a paint program, or a 6-month subscription to an anti-virus product. Once the customer is hooked on the product, it's easier for them to get out a credit card and pay the fee to enable it for longer than to start looking around for alternatives. Ah! That makes sense. I've never bought a machine from a retailer with pre-installed software, so I've never experienced this. Just goes to show that there are even more potential hidden costs to the Vista machine that aren't there with FL/OSS. On the bright side, sometimes this approach gets people into FL/OSS software my brother, for instance, used the paint program until it expired, decided he needed a paint program, and now uses The GIMP. I bet you influenced your brother in his decision! Most people, I'm sure, will just cough up the money being unaware of the free alternatives. Once you've got someone on The GIMP, OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird, it's not a long stretch to get them onto Ubuntu This is very true. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 8/8/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| Pete Hi Pete, Hopefully you'll be pleased to know that you are incorrect :-) For the same specs notebook (6400 vs 6400n): With Ubuntu - £329 With Windows Vista - £358.99 Relevant Specs: N-Series-Intel(r) Celeron(r) M 520 Processor (1.6GHz,533MHz,1MB cache) 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) Display 512MB 533MHz Single Channel DDR2 SDRAM [1x512] 60GB (5400rpm) SATA Hard Drive N-Series - Intel(r) Media Accelerator 950 Graphics Up to 256MB shared graphics memory 8x DVD/24x CDRW No Floppy Drive Accessories Intel(r) Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-PCI Card (for Celeron Processors) So if you found the prices to be the same initially, I imagine they may have just copied and pasted the Windows Vista product offering, then tweaked it further down the line - including the price. HTH Kris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Tony Arnold wrote: Mark, Mark Harrison wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: I've never understood how or why this works! Why should the vendor of the bloatware pay Dell to install it? Surelly, Dell should buy a license for the bloatware from its vendor and pass this on to the customer. It just seems counter intutitive to me, but then I work in a University and have almost zero understanding of how business works! It's the free trial principle. The software that's included is something like a 30-day version of a paint program, or a 6-month subscription to an anti-virus product. Once the customer is hooked on the product, it's easier for them to get out a credit card and pay the fee to enable it for longer than to start looking around for alternatives. Ah! That makes sense. I've never bought a machine from a retailer with pre-installed software, so I've never experienced this. Just goes to show that there are even more potential hidden costs to the Vista machine that aren't there with FL/OSS. I have several times been called to help the novice owners of new machines (dell as it happens). In each case the machine was effectively *disabled* because the worried new owner/s had refused to click on popups asking various questions including sign up of various things. These would have mostly ended in them getting deeper into things they simply did not understand (and were genuinely confusing to me too) and probably paying for things they did not want. In each case it took quite a few hours for me to talk them through their machine and its popups and demands and allow them to decide what they wanted to do. Almost always they decided to dump the crapware and use free or foss instead. In one case the person decided to continue for a time with mcafee becase a 13 month free period was clearly offered. However, after 3 months a statement came from mcafee that the free period had ended. If you cannot trust an antivirus company who. The untrustworthy company's program was quickly dumped. All this dumping took an enormous time, including checking that stuff had gone as expected , and the endless rebooting of course. The moral of the story is that obviously there are enough people who do not go to all the trouble and worry to dump the stuff, and end up paying, to make it worth wile for the companies to want to install it and presumably pay for this. One consequence was that K/Ubuntu got installed quickly too, when it was realised that it did not need this stuff and any way the non proprietary basis was a more pleasant environment! -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
I think i would rather go down the warehouse, http:://www.e-woc.co.uk and buy a barebones and set it up myself...Linux User: 447671 Ubuntu User: 16457 From:"Kris Marsh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.comTo:"British Ubuntu Talk" ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.comSubject:Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UKDate:Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:14:33 +0100On 8/8/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer?And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)?Way to go, Dell UK:| PeteHi Pete,Hopefully you'll be pleased to know that you are incorrect :-)For the same specs notebook (6400 vs 6400n):With Ubuntu - £329With Windows Vista - £358.99Relevant Specs:N-Series-Intel(r) Celeron(r) M 520 Processor (1.6GHz,533MHz,1MB cache)15.4" Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) Display512MB 533MHz Single Channel DDR2 SDRAM [1x512]60GB (5400rpm) SATA Hard DriveN-Series - Intel(r) Media Accelerator 950 Graphics Up to 256MB sharedgraphics memory8x DVD/24x CDRWNo Floppy DriveAccessoriesIntel(r) Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-PCI Card (for Celeron Processors)So if you found the prices to be the same initially, I imagine theymay have just copied and pasted the Windows Vista product offering,then tweaked it further down the line - including the price.HTHKris--ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/Get Pimped! FREE emoticons and customisation from Windows Live - Pimp My Live! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 07/08/07, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *was* going to build myself a desktop soon, but now I'm tempted to support this. Thanks for the heads up! On 8/7/07, Dave Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canonical announced today that DELL machines are available in the UK, France and Germany. http://www.ubuntu.com/news/dell-available-in-europe Apparently the DELL site hasn't been updated yet. Looks like they'll be available to order from tomorrow (8th August). Shame the laptops aren't included yet... Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 07/08/07, Neil Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame the laptops aren't included yet... Oops! I got that backwards - the Inspirons *are* the laptops, not the desktops! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:18 +0100, Neil Greenwood wrote: On 07/08/07, Neil Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame the laptops aren't included yet... Oops! I got that backwards - the Inspirons *are* the laptops, not the desktops! 1 laptop, 1 desktop. They both look very tasty too. I'll be ordering one. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
This represents real progress - fantastic. Although I build my own desktop machines, finding an appropriate laptop to slap a distro on has always been difficult, now we might have a solution. Wonder how they're getting on with enabling all the features on the laptop though - power management etc - are there any caveats I wonder? Pete On 07/08/07, Darren Mansell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:18 +0100, Neil Greenwood wrote: On 07/08/07, Neil Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame the laptops aren't included yet... Oops! I got that backwards - the Inspirons *are* the laptops, not the desktops! 1 laptop, 1 desktop. They both look very tasty too. I'll be ordering one. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Only 329 squid for the laptop! That's very reasonable - I think I might be joining the Dell/Ubuntu club... :) Pete On 07/08/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This represents real progress - fantastic. Although I build my own desktop machines, finding an appropriate laptop to slap a distro on has always been difficult, now we might have a solution. Wonder how they're getting on with enabling all the features on the laptop though - power management etc - are there any caveats I wonder? Pete On 07/08/07, Darren Mansell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:18 +0100, Neil Greenwood wrote: On 07/08/07, Neil Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame the laptops aren't included yet... Oops! I got that backwards - the Inspirons *are* the laptops, not the desktops! 1 laptop, 1 desktop. They both look very tasty too. I'll be ordering one. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:37 +0100, Pete Stean wrote: Wonder how they're getting on with enabling all the features on the laptop though - power management etc - are there any caveats I wonder? Pete My Lenovo built for Windows laptop works fine with wifi/ACPI etc. so if they've had time to get the BIOS sorted for proper standards rather than the Microsoft HCT it should be fine. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 8/7/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only 329 squid for the laptop! That's very reasonable - I think I might be joining the Dell/Ubuntu club... :) Pete Where did you get that figure? I can't seem to access any product pages yet. Unless you're going by 50% of the US price - in which case, we wish. -- Josh Blacker http://jerichokb.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 8/8/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up everyone! It's 8th August at last! http://dell.co.uk/ubuntu The best thing thats happened in the UK since cillit bang grime and lime :) Brilliant :) Still not updated though :( -- Josh Blacker http://jerichokb.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Oops I've just realised i replied to your email, Pete, rather than Dave's original one. Sorry! On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:37 +0100, Pete Stean wrote: This represents real progress - fantastic. Although I build my own desktop machines, finding an appropriate laptop to slap a distro on has always been difficult, now we might have a solution. Wonder how they're getting on with enabling all the features on the laptop though - power management etc - are there any caveats I wonder? Pete On 07/08/07, Darren Mansell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:18 +0100, Neil Greenwood wrote: On 07/08/07, Neil Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame the laptops aren't included yet... Oops! I got that backwards - the Inspirons *are* the laptops, not the desktops! 1 laptop, 1 desktop. They both look very tasty too. I'll be ordering one. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
