Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Paul Broadhead wrote: > Great, dell are selling their Inspiron Mini 10v preloaded with Ubuntu > 8.04. The base system with a 8GB SSD is priced at 199 pounds. > You can even upgrade the spec to be the same as the XP version, i.e. > with a 160GB hard drive. The problem is with that upgrade the Ubuntu > machine costs 258 pounds while the XP machine costs 249 pounds. Not > so great. OK, as some of you have pointed out its not all about the price but I've just checked the dell website again and you can now spec the Ubuntu version with the 160GB for the same price as the 140GB disk making the Ubuntu version just over £10 cheaper than the XP one of the same spec. Also, both versions have been reduced by £20 pounds. -- Paul Broadhead -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
On 31/05/09 15:20, Paul Broadhead wrote: > > I did not realise that was the case. However, the figures would be very > useful to know; both for Ubuntu and for windows. I wish companies could > be more open about the OS cost and stop trying to hide behind different > specifications and machines that cannot be compared. > > If companies wanted to be honest with their customers, the cost of the > OS would be clearly stated. I do not see any reason why dell do > not allow OS customisation (selection) as they do other features. > The various costs could be clearly stated and you would know exactly > what you are paying for. There are some companies that do offer computers without an OS and it allows you see exactly how much you are paying for which OS you choose. Novatech spring immediately to mind. We have started a web site listing vendors that do sell such "Naked" computers. It is at http://nakedcomputers.org/ HTH Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Also the CDs you order through shipit come with 4 stickers each I think. I've got a fair few here. Need to stick them somewhere actually. James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 31 May 2009, at 17:24, Tony Travis wrote: > Eddie Bernard wrote: >>> [...] >> In other words, it's a question of branding, rather than getting >> permission to use the software. If you don't use the branding, you >> don't pay anything. > > Hello, Eddie. > > What if you sell the PC's pre-loaded with Ubuntu, and give your > customers an Ubuntu sticker as an optional extra? > > Linux Format distributed Ubuntu stickers that we are, presumably, at > liberty to stick on our own Ubuntu PC's or not as we see fit... > > Bye, > > Tony. > -- > Dr. A.J.Travis, University of Aberdeen, Rowett Institute of Nutrition > and Health, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK > tel +44(0)1224 712751, fax +44(0)1224 716687, http://www.rowett.ac.uk > mailto:a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk, http://bioinformatics.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Ah right thanks for that. That kinda makes sense now. Can you remember how much it was to have the branding? James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 31 May 2009, at 16:46, Eddie Bernard wrote: >> From: Paul Broadhead >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than > >> Alan Pope wrote: >> >>> As I understand it (i.e. this may be factually inaccurate) any OEM >>> wishing to sell Ubuntu branded as Ubuntu needs to pay a license to >>> Canonical for the use of the trademarked name. I believe there are >>> also restrictions upon what you can do, for example you can't >>> pre-install skype, but can pre-install some codec bundles (which are >>> an additional license cost). >> >> I did not realise that was the case. However, the figures would be >> very >> useful to know; both for Ubuntu and for windows. I wish companies >> could >> be more open about the OS cost and stop trying to hide behind >> different >> specifications and machines that cannot be compared. > > A while back, some of you may remember I contacted you all with > respect to my business, and the prices for selling Ubuntu > pre-installed desktop PCs. In response a number of posters suggested I > get in touch with Canonical regarding whether there are royalty fees > associated. > > They did eventually reply. Apologies, I meant to forward this to you > all a long time ago. Here was the response: > > "In terms of selling PCs with Ubuntu preloaded, as Ubuntu is free > software and free to download, you don't need a license from us in > order to do this. However, if you want to use the Ubuntu logo on the > PCs you sell, this falls under our Trademarks and that is a different > matter. > > We only allow PCs that have been Ubuntu Certified or Ubuntu > Compatibility tested to display the Ubuntu logo. There can be no > indication on the PCs that you sell with Ubuntu preloaded that these > have been certified to work with Ubuntu, if this is not the case. > > So you are perfectly welcome to sell PCs with Ubuntu preloaded, but > just not to use our trademarks or branding in this regard." > > In other words, it's a question of branding, rather than getting > permission to use the software. If you don't use the branding, you > don't pay anything. > > Hope this is useful to you all. > > Eddie > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Eddie Bernard wrote: >> [...] > In other words, it's a question of branding, rather than getting > permission to use the software. If you don't use the branding, you > don't pay anything. Hello, Eddie. What if you sell the PC's pre-loaded with Ubuntu, and give your customers an Ubuntu sticker as an optional extra? Linux Format distributed Ubuntu stickers that we are, presumably, at liberty to stick on our own Ubuntu PC's or not as we see fit... Bye, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, University of Aberdeen, Rowett Institute of Nutrition and Health, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK tel +44(0)1224 712751, fax +44(0)1224 716687, http://www.rowett.ac.uk mailto:a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk, http://bioinformatics.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
> From: Paul Broadhead > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than > Alan Pope wrote: > >> As I understand it (i.e. this may be factually inaccurate) any OEM >> wishing to sell Ubuntu branded as Ubuntu needs to pay a license to >> Canonical for the use of the trademarked name. I believe there are >> also restrictions upon what you can do, for example you can't >> pre-install skype, but can pre-install some codec bundles (which are >> an additional license cost). > > I did not realise that was the case. However, the figures would be very > useful to know; both for Ubuntu and for windows. I wish companies could > be more open about the OS cost and stop trying to hide behind different > specifications and machines that cannot be compared. A while back, some of you may remember I contacted you all with respect to my business, and the prices for selling Ubuntu pre-installed desktop PCs. In response a number of posters suggested I get in touch with Canonical regarding whether there are royalty fees associated. They did eventually reply. Apologies, I meant to forward this to you all a long time ago. Here was the response: "In terms of selling PCs with Ubuntu preloaded, as Ubuntu is free software and free to download, you don't need a license from us in order to do this. However, if you want to use the Ubuntu logo on the PCs you sell, this falls under our Trademarks and that is a different matter. We only allow PCs that have been Ubuntu Certified or Ubuntu Compatibility tested to display the Ubuntu logo. There can be no indication on the PCs that you sell with Ubuntu preloaded that these have been certified to work with Ubuntu, if this is not the case. So you are perfectly welcome to sell PCs with Ubuntu preloaded, but just not to use our trademarks or branding in this regard." In other words, it's a question of branding, rather than getting permission to use the software. If you don't use the branding, you don't pay anything. Hope this is useful to you all. Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Paul Broadhead wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > >> As I understand it (i.e. this may be factually inaccurate) any OEM >> wishing to sell Ubuntu branded as Ubuntu needs to pay a license to >> Canonical for the use of the trademarked name. I believe there are >> also restrictions upon what you can do, for example you can't >> pre-install skype, but can pre-install some codec bundles (which are >> an additional license cost). >> > > I did not realise that was the case. However, the figures would be very > useful to know; both for Ubuntu and for windows. I wish companies could > be more open about the OS cost and stop trying to hide behind different > specifications and machines that cannot be compared. > > If companies wanted to be honest with their customers, the cost of the > OS would be clearly stated. I do not see any reason why dell do > not allow OS customisation (selection) as they do other features. > The various costs could be clearly stated and you would know exactly > what you are paying for. > Oh, and apologies for top-replying =[ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Dell are also paid, as all OEMs are, to bundle crapware with windows installations. Trial versions of Symantec, etc. This cuts the cost of XP to nothing or often less than nothing. Paul Broadhead wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > >> As I understand it (i.e. this may be factually inaccurate) any OEM >> wishing to sell Ubuntu branded as Ubuntu needs to pay a license to >> Canonical for the use of the trademarked name. I believe there are >> also restrictions upon what you can do, for example you can't >> pre-install skype, but can pre-install some codec bundles (which are >> an additional license cost). >> > > I did not realise that was the case. However, the figures would be very > useful to know; both for Ubuntu and for windows. I wish companies could > be more open about the OS cost and stop trying to hide behind different > specifications and machines that cannot be compared. > > If companies wanted to be honest with their customers, the cost of the > OS would be clearly stated. I do not see any reason why dell do > not allow OS customisation (selection) as they do other features. > The various costs could be clearly stated and you would know exactly > what you are paying for. > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Alan Pope wrote: > As I understand it (i.e. this may be factually inaccurate) any OEM > wishing to sell Ubuntu branded as Ubuntu needs to pay a license to > Canonical for the use of the trademarked name. I believe there are > also restrictions upon what you can do, for example you can't > pre-install skype, but can pre-install some codec bundles (which are > an additional license cost). I did not realise that was the case. However, the figures would be very useful to know; both for Ubuntu and for windows. I wish companies could be more open about the OS cost and stop trying to hide behind different specifications and machines that cannot be compared. If companies wanted to be honest with their customers, the cost of the OS would be clearly stated. I do not see any reason why dell do not allow OS customisation (selection) as they do other features. The various costs could be clearly stated and you would know exactly what you are paying for. -- Paul Broadhead -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Ok, and also thanks Steve. James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 31 May 2009, at 14:37, Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/5/31 James Milligan : >> Would a small independent store (like I've been asking about) need to >> pay that as well? >> > > You'd need to check with the OEM team at Canonical about that. I > suspect the answer is yes, assuming the store is selling machines in > the same way that Dell is. > > Cheers, > Al. > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
2009/5/31 James Milligan : > Would a small independent store (like I've been asking about) need to > pay that as well? > You'd need to check with the OEM team at Canonical about that. I suspect the answer is yes, assuming the store is selling machines in the same way that Dell is. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Milligan wrote: > Ah right. Makes more sense now. > > Would a small independent store (like I've been asking about) need to > pay that as well? > > I think I remember hearing about something like this a while back on > the list. > > Thanks > > James > Some info here: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoih6YACgkQICATF4lwn1ql0wCfWzqdaJ/Pj0+Wrc7+gw/KDEJQ SVQAoJZmtKrcGFlDOUFjHysOQD/Pn7P0 =27J8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Ah right. Makes more sense now. Would a small independent store (like I've been asking about) need to pay that as well? I think I remember hearing about something like this a while back on the list. Thanks James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 31 May 2009, at 14:23, Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/5/31 James Milligan : >> Boom! That's me out of the water lol. Are they made to pay for it or >> out of 'generosity'? >> > > As I understand it (i.e. this may be factually inaccurate) any OEM > wishing to sell Ubuntu branded as Ubuntu needs to pay a license to > Canonical for the use of the trademarked name. I believe there are > also restrictions upon what you can do, for example you can't > pre-install skype, but can pre-install some codec bundles (which are > an additional license cost). > > Cheers, > Al. > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
2009/5/31 James Milligan : > Boom! That's me out of the water lol. Are they made to pay for it or > out of 'generosity'? > As I understand it (i.e. this may be factually inaccurate) any OEM wishing to sell Ubuntu branded as Ubuntu needs to pay a license to Canonical for the use of the trademarked name. I believe there are also restrictions upon what you can do, for example you can't pre-install skype, but can pre-install some codec bundles (which are an additional license cost). Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
Boom! That's me out of the water lol. Are they made to pay for it or out of 'generosity'? James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 31 May 2009, at 14:15, Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/5/31 James Milligan : >> How can they charge more? They get the thing for free! > > They don't. It doesn't cost Dell much as I understand it, but they do > pay for Ubuntu. > > Cheers, > Al. > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
2009/5/31 James Milligan : > How can they charge more? They get the thing for free! They don't. It doesn't cost Dell much as I understand it, but they do pay for Ubuntu. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
How can they charge more? They get the thing for free! Well, we presume they do... I guess it's paying for training and support etc. If so that isn't so bad James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.killermentality.com www.twitter.com/lake54 On 31 May 2009, at 13:04, Paul Broadhead wrote: > Great, dell are selling their Inspiron Mini 10v preloaded with Ubuntu > 8.04. The base system with a 8GB SSD is priced at 199 pounds. > You can even upgrade the spec to be the same as the XP version, i.e. > with a 160GB hard drive. The problem is with that upgrade the Ubuntu > machine costs 258 pounds while the XP machine costs 249 pounds. Not > so > great. > > I used the on-line help to ask why this and was told "if you upgrade > then the price will definitely shoot up". I asked if I should just > buy > the XP version, wipe it and install my own OS. He eventually replied > "Well if that sounds cheaper yes". I asked if he expected dell to > sell > many of these Ubuntu machines and he replied "As of now no". > > Needless to say, I'm not buying one. > -- > Paul Broadhead > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell mini 10v costs more with Ubuntu than with XP
2009/5/31 Paul Broadhead : > Needless to say, I'm not buying one. If you wanted one, get the xp one, dont accept the license, send it back and ask for a refund. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
