Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Dean Sas]

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Robin Menneer wrote:
> On 2/22/07, *Dean Sas* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> Once nautilus is in single click mode, the only double click items are
> the open/save dialogues and the odd thing such as playing a selected
> music track in rhythmbox. The open/save dialogue annoys me greatly when
> I have to use it.
> 
> 
>> This clears things up muchly.  Trouble is that I don't take (nor want to
>> take) the trouible to distingush the open/save from the rest of the
>> commands.  Surely this is something the experts can  tweak for us
>> imbeciles ? 
> 

I don't blame you, it causes me problems on the rare occasions that I
use them. This isn't tweakable, but a bug has been filed with the
developers on the issue. (see
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121113 ) unfortunately it is
classified as a low priority.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Robin Menneer]

On 2/22/07, Dean Sas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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Robin Menneer wrote:
> On 2/22/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Robin,
>>
>> Robin Menneer wrote:
>>
 I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk
 top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and
stuff
 on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB
 browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the
nautilus
 file browser need a double click.

> Is the answer to configure nautilus so that everything is single
> click? If so, how is it done and why isn't a single click set up as
> default - inexpereinced imbeciles are only confused with the unknown
> choice of one or two ?
>

I consider myself an experienced user and I still use single-click and
would prefer it to be default, it's  easier when using a laptop touchpad
for one thing. I've noticed inexperienced users often either double
clicking everything in sight - including the web or random clicking.

The reason why we have double click by default, is apparently because
inexperienced users apparently have trouble managing files (moving and
deleting etc) in single click mode, often opening them when meaning to
select them.

Once nautilus is in single click mode, the only double click items are
the open/save dialogues and the odd thing such as playing a selected
music track in rhythmbox. The open/save dialogue annoys me greatly when
I have to use it.



This clears things up muchly.  Trouble is that I don't take (nor want to
take) the trouible to distingush the open/save from the rest of the
commands.  Surely this is something the experts can  tweak for us imbeciles
?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

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Robin Menneer wrote:
> On 2/22/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Robin,
>>
>> Robin Menneer wrote:
>>
 I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk
 top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and stuff
 on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB
 browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the nautilus
 file browser need a double click.

> Is the answer to configure nautilus so that everything is single
> click? If so, how is it done and why isn't a single click set up as
> default - inexpereinced imbeciles are only confused with the unknown
> choice of one or two ?
> 

I consider myself an experienced user and I still use single-click and
would prefer it to be default, it's  easier when using a laptop touchpad
for one thing. I've noticed inexperienced users often either double
clicking everything in sight - including the web or random clicking.

The reason why we have double click by default, is apparently because
inexperienced users apparently have trouble managing files (moving and
deleting etc) in single click mode, often opening them when meaning to
select them.

Once nautilus is in single click mode, the only double click items are
the open/save dialogues and the odd thing such as playing a selected
music track in rhythmbox. The open/save dialogue annoys me greatly when
I have to use it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Robin Menneer]

On 2/22/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Robin,

Robin Menneer wrote:

> I may be mistaken but wouldn't the following be easier:
> Open a folder window, click view->preferences select the Behaviour
> tab, and change it from 'Double click to activate items' to 'single
> click to activate items'.
>
> (only tried it on 6.06)
>
> Because it  is simple and easy, I've tried it.  Ok except it is under
> edit and not view, only to find it is set to single click already.  Will
> try Tony Arnold's method when I have some peace.  Ta again.

I think my way will acheive exactly the same result and you'll find it
already set to single click.

Maybe this is what has caused your original problem and you have been
double clicking unnecessarily?

Regards,
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to a double click and I don't want to spend the time to logically test every
option  that I click on.  Am I not where I started ?



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Tony Arnold]

Robin,

Robin Menneer wrote:

> I may be mistaken but wouldn't the following be easier:
> Open a folder window, click view->preferences select the Behaviour
> tab, and change it from 'Double click to activate items' to 'single
> click to activate items'.
> 
> (only tried it on 6.06)
> 
> Because it  is simple and easy, I've tried it.  Ok except it is under
> edit and not view, only to find it is set to single click already.  Will
> try Tony Arnold's method when I have some peace.  Ta again.

I think my way will acheive exactly the same result and you'll find it
already set to single click.

Maybe this is what has caused your original problem and you have been
double clicking unnecessarily?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Tony Arnold]

Andy wrote:
> On 22/02/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You need to run the gconf-editor utility. The easiest way is to hit
>> Alt-F2 which brings up the 'Run Application' dialgue box. Enter
>> gconf-editor and click run. Teh configuration editor should appear.
> [snip]
> 
> I may be mistaken but wouldn't the following be easier:
> Open a folder window, click view->preferences select the Behaviour
> tab, and change it from 'Double click to activate items' to 'single
> click to activate items'.

Doh! I knew there had to be a simpler way. Apologies for confusing anybody.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Robin Menneer]

On 2/22/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 22/02/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You need to run the gconf-editor utility. The easiest way is to hit
> Alt-F2 which brings up the 'Run Application' dialgue box. Enter
> gconf-editor and click run. Teh configuration editor should appear.
[snip]

I may be mistaken but wouldn't the following be easier:
Open a folder window, click view->preferences select the Behaviour
tab, and change it from 'Double click to activate items' to 'single
click to activate items'.

(only tried it on 6.06)


Andy



Because it  is simple and easy, I've tried it.  Ok except it is under edit
and not view, only to find it is set to single click already.  Will try Tony
Arnold's method when I have some peace.  Ta again.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Andy]

On 22/02/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You need to run the gconf-editor utility. The easiest way is to hit
> Alt-F2 which brings up the 'Run Application' dialgue box. Enter
> gconf-editor and click run. Teh configuration editor should appear.
[snip]

I may be mistaken but wouldn't the following be easier:
Open a folder window, click view->preferences select the Behaviour
tab, and change it from 'Double click to activate items' to 'single
click to activate items'.

(only tried it on 6.06)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Tony Arnold]

Robin,

Robin Menneer wrote:

> Is the answer to configure nautilus so that everything is single
> click? If so, how is it done and why isn't a single click set up as
> default - inexpereinced imbeciles are only confused with the unknown
> choice of one or two ?

You could try it!

You need to run the gconf-editor utility. The easiest way is to hit
Alt-F2 which brings up the 'Run Application' dialgue box. Enter
gconf-editor and click run. Teh configuration editor should appear.

In the left panel you should see the work 'apps' with a small triangle
to its left. Click on the triangle to open up what is under 'apps'.

Scroll down until you find the 'nautilus' entry and click on its
triangle to open it up.

Click on 'preferences'.

In the top right panel you should see an entry 'click policy' and it
value will be 'double'. Right click on the click_policy line and select
Edit Key from the menu that pops up.

In the dialogue box that comes up change the value 'double' to 'single'
(no quotes). and click on OK.

Close the configuration editor and you are done.

Note all the clicks above are *single* clicks.

Remember that everything will be a single click from now on (there may
be some exceptions).

Good luck!

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Robin Menneer]

On 2/22/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robin,
>
> Robin Menneer wrote:
>
> >> I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk
> >> top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and stuff
> >> on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB
> >> browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the nautilus
> >> file browser need a double click.
> >>
> >> I've probably missed something but that covers quite a lot!
>
> > Thanks - it's more complicated than I feared and lets Ubuntu down badly.
>
> I think the issue is Nautilus! Pretty much everything is single click
> except the things controlled by Nautilus which is the desk top and the
> file browser. At least that is the default setting. It is possible to
> configure nautilus to use a single click and then I'm pretty sure
> everything is a single click (there may be some exceptions such as
> navigating in a 'open file' dialogue box).
>
> I think it is set this way so that new/inexperienced users don't
> accidentally open things up from the desk top etc by random clicking,
> ironically enough!
>

Is the answer to configure nautilus so that everything is single
click? If so, how is it done and why isn't a single click set up as
default - inexpereinced imbeciles are only confused with the unknown
choice of one or two ?


> Regards,
> Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Tony Arnold]

Robin,

Robin Menneer wrote:

>> I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk
>> top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and stuff
>> on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB
>> browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the nautilus
>> file browser need a double click.
>>
>> I've probably missed something but that covers quite a lot!

> Thanks - it's more complicated than I feared and lets Ubuntu down badly.

I think the issue is Nautilus! Pretty much everything is single click
except the things controlled by Nautilus which is the desk top and the
file browser. At least that is the default setting. It is possible to
configure nautilus to use a single click and then I'm pretty sure
everything is a single click (there may be some exceptions such as
navigating in a 'open file' dialogue box).

I think it is set this way so that new/inexperienced users don't
accidentally open things up from the desk top etc by random clicking,
ironically enough!

Regards,
Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Steve Spiller]

Tony Arnold wrote:
> I think he was referring to a menu option in the Beryl desktop. If you
> are not running Beryl (and you would have had to do some work to get it)
> then this is irrelevant to you.
>
> Regards,
> Tony.
>   
Yes, was referring to the Beryl Settings Manager, which you wont have if 
you haven't installed Beryl.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

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Robin Menneer wrote:
> Thanks - it's more complicated than I feared and lets Ubuntu down badly.
>   
>
It's exactly the same as a default Windows installation - icons require 
a double-click, menu items and web links a  single click

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Tony Arnold]

Robin,

Robin Menneer wrote:

> > Yes - focus stealing prevention in Beryl is pretty broken atm.
> >
> >
> Been lurking for a while, first time I had an answer for a problem! I'm
> at work now so can't tell you exactly where to look, but in the settings
> manager there is a setting for focus stealing prevention - set it to
> none and the problem goes away. Or at least it did for me.
> 
> 
> Sorry, but there is no menu heading for *settings manager*  !

I think he was referring to a menu option in the Beryl desktop. If you
are not running Beryl (and you would have had to do some work to get it)
then this is irrelevant to you.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Robin Menneer]

On 2/22/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robin,
>
> Robin Menneer wrote:
>
> > You''re quite right in treating me as an imbecile - my complaint is
> > that Ubuntu shouldn't allow me to do this - or make it plain to me
> > that the desktop is click-sensitive.  Without your help, I'd never
> > have guessed as I tend to click once or twice randomly.  What are
> > the occasions when two clicks are needed and when one, please ?  Ta
> > very much.
>
> I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk
> top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and stuff
> on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB
> browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the nautilus
> file browser need a double click.
>
> I've probably missed something but that covers quite a lot!
>
> Regards,
> Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Tony Arnold]

Robin,

Robin Menneer wrote:

> You''re quite right in treating me as an imbecile - my complaint is
> that Ubuntu shouldn't allow me to do this - or make it plain to me
> that the desktop is click-sensitive.  Without your help, I'd never
> have guessed as I tend to click once or twice randomly.  What are
> the occasions when two clicks are needed and when one, please ?  Ta
> very much.

I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk
top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and stuff
on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB
browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the nautilus
file browser need a double click.

I've probably missed something but that covers quite a lot!

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Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Robin Menneer]

On 2/22/07, Steve Spiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Toby Smithe wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:35 +, baza wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:30 +, Alan Pope wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:05:57PM +, Robin Menneer wrote:
>>>
 My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current
window,
 not in front of it.   How do I reverse this, please,so that by
default, the
 new file opens in front ?

>>> Forgive me if what I am about to suggest implies that you are some
kind of imbecile, that is not my intention..
>>>
>>> I have seen this problem occur when a user double clicks an icon in a
window (such as a file in a nautilus file browser) and doesn't wait for the
resulting program to finish loading, but instead
>>> clicks again somewhere in that same window. This could be clicking a
third time on the icon in question, or maybe clicking somewhere else. This
causes the desktop "focus" to be trained on that window
>>> and not the new one appearing, so the new one appears "behind" the
current one.
>>>
>>> Could that be it or am I barking up the wrong tree?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>>>
>>>
>> It's not you. Mine has started doing this since I installed Beryl. It's
>> annoying eh?
>>
>
> Yes - focus stealing prevention in Beryl is pretty broken atm.
>
>
Been lurking for a while, first time I had an answer for a problem! I'm
at work now so can't tell you exactly where to look, but in the settings
manager there is a setting for focus stealing prevention - set it to
none and the problem goes away. Or at least it did for me.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Steve Spiller]

Toby Smithe wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:35 +, baza wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:30 +, Alan Pope wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:05:57PM +, Robin Menneer wrote:
>>>   
 My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current window,
 not in front of it.   How do I reverse this, please,so that by default, the
 new file opens in front ?
 
>>> Forgive me if what I am about to suggest implies that you are some kind of 
>>> imbecile, that is not my intention..
>>>
>>> I have seen this problem occur when a user double clicks an icon in a 
>>> window (such as a file in a nautilus file browser) and doesn't wait for the 
>>> resulting program to finish loading, but instead 
>>> clicks again somewhere in that same window. This could be clicking a third 
>>> time on the icon in question, or maybe clicking somewhere else. This causes 
>>> the desktop "focus" to be trained on that window 
>>> and not the new one appearing, so the new one appears "behind" the current 
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Could that be it or am I barking up the wrong tree?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>>>
>>>   
>> It's not you. Mine has started doing this since I installed Beryl. It's
>> annoying eh?
>> 
>
> Yes - focus stealing prevention in Beryl is pretty broken atm.
>
>   
Been lurking for a while, first time I had an answer for a problem! I'm 
at work now so can't tell you exactly where to look, but in the settings 
manager there is a setting for focus stealing prevention - set it to 
none and the problem goes away. Or at least it did for me.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Robin Menneer]

On 2/21/07, Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:35 +, baza wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:30 +, Alan Pope wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:05:57PM +, Robin Menneer wrote:
> > > My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current
window,
> > > not in front of it.   How do I reverse this, please,so that by
default, the
> > > new file opens in front ?
> >
> > Forgive me if what I am about to suggest implies that you are some
kind of imbecile, that is not my intention..
> >
> > I have seen this problem occur when a user double clicks an icon in a
window (such as a file in a nautilus file browser) and doesn't wait for the
resulting program to finish loading, but instead
> > clicks again somewhere in that same window. This could be clicking a
third time on the icon in question, or maybe clicking somewhere else. This
causes the desktop "focus" to be trained on that window
> > and not the new one appearing, so the new one appears "behind" the
current one.
> >
> > Could that be it or am I barking up the wrong tree?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Al.
> >
>
> It's not you. Mine has started doing this since I installed Beryl. It's
> annoying eh?

Yes - focus stealing prevention in Beryl is pretty broken atm.

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You''re quite right in treating me as an imbecile - my complaint is that
Ubuntu shouldn't allow me to do this - or make it plain to me that the
desktop is click-sensitive.  Without your help, I'd never have guessed as I
tend to click once or twice randomly.  What are the occasions when two
clicks are needed and when one, please ?  Ta very much.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Toby Smithe]

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:35 +, baza wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:30 +, Alan Pope wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:05:57PM +, Robin Menneer wrote:
> > > My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current window,
> > > not in front of it.   How do I reverse this, please,so that by default, 
> > > the
> > > new file opens in front ?
> > 
> > Forgive me if what I am about to suggest implies that you are some kind of 
> > imbecile, that is not my intention..
> > 
> > I have seen this problem occur when a user double clicks an icon in a 
> > window (such as a file in a nautilus file browser) and doesn't wait for the 
> > resulting program to finish loading, but instead 
> > clicks again somewhere in that same window. This could be clicking a third 
> > time on the icon in question, or maybe clicking somewhere else. This causes 
> > the desktop "focus" to be trained on that window 
> > and not the new one appearing, so the new one appears "behind" the current 
> > one.
> > 
> > Could that be it or am I barking up the wrong tree?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Al.
> > 
> 
> It's not you. Mine has started doing this since I installed Beryl. It's
> annoying eh?

Yes - focus stealing prevention in Beryl is pretty broken atm.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[baza]

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:30 +, Alan Pope wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:05:57PM +, Robin Menneer wrote:
> > My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current window,
> > not in front of it.   How do I reverse this, please,so that by default, the
> > new file opens in front ?
> 
> Forgive me if what I am about to suggest implies that you are some kind of 
> imbecile, that is not my intention..
> 
> I have seen this problem occur when a user double clicks an icon in a window 
> (such as a file in a nautilus file browser) and doesn't wait for the 
> resulting program to finish loading, but instead 
> clicks again somewhere in that same window. This could be clicking a third 
> time on the icon in question, or maybe clicking somewhere else. This causes 
> the desktop "focus" to be trained on that window 
> and not the new one appearing, so the new one appears "behind" the current 
> one.
> 
> Could that be it or am I barking up the wrong tree?
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

It's not you. Mine has started doing this since I installed Beryl. It's
annoying eh?

Baz
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Alan Pope]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:05:57PM +, Robin Menneer wrote:
> My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current window,
> not in front of it.   How do I reverse this, please,so that by default, the
> new file opens in front ?

Forgive me if what I am about to suggest implies that you are some kind of 
imbecile, that is not my intention..

I have seen this problem occur when a user double clicks an icon in a window 
(such as a file in a nautilus file browser) and doesn't wait for the resulting 
program to finish loading, but instead 
clicks again somewhere in that same window. This could be clicking a third time 
on the icon in question, or maybe clicking somewhere else. This causes the 
desktop "focus" to be trained on that window 
and not the new one appearing, so the new one appears "behind" the current one.

Could that be it or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Cheers,
Al.

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