Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
Mark Harrison wrote: On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 20:49 +0100, Rob Beard wrote: Rob, As it happens, I was with a disk publisher today sorting out a new audiobook series I've done for them. Sadly, they don't do duplication for other people, just their own stuff, but given I was getting the factory tour I spent a bit of time in the production room. They have moved AWAY from the cheap disks, and moved onto the Sony ones... ... because in the last million they produced on Sony media, 6 failed ! The break-point in producing glass masters seems to be around the 500 disk mark - beneath that, big robotic duplication machines that are basically a stack of DVD-R drivers, a printer, and a robot arm to move disks between them (about 6 drives per printer seems to be the balance for speed purposes) are the way they go. The biggest cost they were facing was full-colour printing, which actually cost MORE than the disks themselves. They've, again, moved to a high-end system that literally has 7 ink wells connected to the beast by tubes that they literally refill from bottles live. Oh, and the fancy machines also connected to a 4 Tb over Gb ethernet, so they could just pick any image, enter the number they wanted produced, and click go. I was, it must be admitted envious :-) M. Nice, bet it was an interesting tour. I tried doing a small run of Ubuntu OpenCD discs for a local event, just doing 200 discs took ages. It wasn't the burning itself that took a while but the swapping of discs, that was before printing. If this project I'm working on goes off we'll need a few thousand discs I think. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
You know it's a pity we couldn't raise some money for a small duplication tower, leave it with a trusted volunteer and then have the kit on hand to run off CDs for events as needed :-) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 09:01 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: You know it's a pity we couldn't raise some money for a small duplication tower, leave it with a trusted volunteer and then have the kit on hand to run off CDs for events as needed :-) Heh. I was considering buying one recently for pretty much exactly this purpose. I've also been talking to the contacts for other LoCo teams to see if we can club together and get discount by buying massively in bulk. Will let you guys know what happens in that regard. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
Quoting Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You know it's a pity we couldn't raise some money for a small duplication tower, leave it with a trusted volunteer and then have the kit on hand to run off CDs for events as needed :-) Chris Well it's an idea. Maybe someone could setup a paypal account which we could all pay a couple of quid into? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
- Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You know it's a pity we couldn't raise some money for a small duplication tower, leave it with a trusted volunteer and then have the kit on hand to run off CDs for events as needed :-) Chris Well it's an idea. Maybe someone could setup a paypal account which we could all pay a couple of quid into? One of my jobs used to be running a duplication machine. They're fine if you need 7-20 copies of a disc quickly. Anything more than that, and you're pushing it. Most consumer (read cheap) duplicators use consumer-quality drives, which tend to last 1,000-10,000 copies, and then start to die: they simply run into dust. My advice if you're going to get a duplicator, get a dedicated, built-for-the-task sealed unit type box from sony or someone like them. The cheap towers aren't worth it if you're doing large quantities regularly... Kirrus -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
On 12/10/2007, ged [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link to duplicating machines at scan. The auto loaders start to get a little expensive. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.ASP?CatID=12FilterCategories=416Thumbnails=yes Regards Ged -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ With the appropriate software and hardware you can get a system that can run loads of drives paralell. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
Link to duplicating machines at scan. The auto loaders start to get a little expensive. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.ASP?CatID=12FilterCategories=416Thumbnails=yes Regards Ged -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
ged wrote: Link to duplicating machines at scan. The auto loaders start to get a little expensive. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.ASP?CatID=12FilterCategories=416Thumbnails=yes Regards Ged Yeah - I've come close to buying one of these a few times, though probably from aprmedia who supply all our media because I've found them very, very, reliable (in a way that Scan isn't), and specialist in this field. The reason I've always held off is that the labour-intensive part has always been PRINTING the disks, not getting the data onto them... and the duplicators with robot arms that do THAT as well start at a few grand :-( M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
Quoting Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 12/10/2007, ged [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link to duplicating machines at scan. The auto loaders start to get a little expensive. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.ASP?CatID=12FilterCategories=416Thumbnails=yes With the appropriate software and hardware you can get a system that can run loads of drives paralell. I tried fitting two DVD writers into my PC to do multiple discs at once but K3B wouldn't support multiple drives and using cdrecord it wouldn't go any faster than about 4x, I can't say I've looked into it since, but if anyone has any guides on how to configure the hardware I'd certainly give it another bash. I think it might be because I had both drives on one IDE cable (too lazy to fit two cables). I do like the look of that robotic duplicator at £800, the company I work for were after a duplicator, I wonder if they'd be interested in this? :-D Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
Tony Arnold wrote: Rob, On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 20:49 +0100, Rob Beard wrote: When I was looking into this before I figured it was rather expensive, even when using cheap 9p CD-R discs (when factoring in duplication of many thousands of discs, printing etc). I was wondering though if anyone knew of a good duplication company who could take an ISO image, make a glass master disc and then professionally press and print a whole load of CDs (like what we get with the original Ubuntu discs). There is a company in Manchester that I used a couple of years ago. They were very good. Their WEB site is www.kingsdirect.co.uk. Back in 2005, it cost me 97p per CD for 200 off, which may be a little expensive. Not sure about their prices today. That included printing on the CD as well. I provided a zip file of the CD contents and a PDF with the art work. Regards, Tony. Thanks Tony, gives me something to go on. Looks like it'll be about £2000 + VAT for 10,000 CDs. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Disc duplication - anyone know any places that can do it cheap?
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 20:49 +0100, Rob Beard wrote: When I was looking into this before I figured it was rather expensive, even when using cheap 9p CD-R discs (when factoring in duplication of many thousands of discs, printing etc). I was wondering though if anyone knew of a good duplication company who could take an ISO image, make a glass master disc and then professionally press and print a whole load of CDs (like what we get with the original Ubuntu discs). Rob, As it happens, I was with a disk publisher today sorting out a new audiobook series I've done for them. Sadly, they don't do duplication for other people, just their own stuff, but given I was getting the factory tour I spent a bit of time in the production room. They have moved AWAY from the cheap disks, and moved onto the Sony ones... ... because in the last million they produced on Sony media, 6 failed ! The break-point in producing glass masters seems to be around the 500 disk mark - beneath that, big robotic duplication machines that are basically a stack of DVD-R drivers, a printer, and a robot arm to move disks between them (about 6 drives per printer seems to be the balance for speed purposes) are the way they go. The biggest cost they were facing was full-colour printing, which actually cost MORE than the disks themselves. They've, again, moved to a high-end system that literally has 7 ink wells connected to the beast by tubes that they literally refill from bottles live. Oh, and the fancy machines also connected to a 4 Tb over Gb ethernet, so they could just pick any image, enter the number they wanted produced, and click go. I was, it must be admitted envious :-) M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
