Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
On 22/05/11 15:30, Alan Bell wrote: On 22/05/11 11:28, Martin Houston wrote: He said that getting a fresh XP image onto a pepurposed machine this way takes just 4 minutes! yeah, you can drop an Ubuntu image on disk pretty quick too. I had them cloning with a PXE boot and clonezilla image drop in 9 minutes on some pretty slow hardware over 100mbit networking. I can see this getting down to 4 minutes on the hardware they are talking about. Alan. Not to mention Ubuntu will come with everything a user needs to get started, whereas plain old XP won't come with anything else (unless he has done a custom image with extras installed). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying, a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
Yes gaz has hit it on the head. We need government to back peoples right to share their broadband connection with their neighbours. It is against the small print of most broadband contracts I believe. However if a whole side of a street could share one ADSL line via wireless or ethernet through the back gardens it would make connecting the as people have rightly observed 'nearly free' PCs up to the net far more doable. As people get a bit more income/desire for speed they could invest in their own line, but keeping the local net as then everyone's connection could be redundant. This is what we need to get the Government to help with. They need to get a promise out of the broadband providers that people will not be disconnected for in effect becoming the first step in providing the net to their neighbours. What we can do is provide a way of doing this (like the OLPT (One Laptop per Child) project does) without it needing a resident network guru to keep it going. There are of course vested interests who will oppose this. If people share connections on a local level the Record Companies and Film Studious will have a much harder job hounding people for copyright infringements, especially if that sharing is done by open wireless links. Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:35:43 +0100 From: gazzpmg...@gmx.co.uk To:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux. Message-ID:1306341343.6639.23.camel@gazzovo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 11:31 +0100, alan c wrote: On 23/05/11 09:53, Avi Greenbury wrote: They're specifically not. If, on first boot, they were presented with Grub asking if they wanted Linux or Windows with respect, I think the choice is between 'Ubuntu' and Windows -- alan cocks Ubuntu user The howling silence I notice about the whole 'Race Online' think is that cheap 'puter's aren't the issue. Pretty much anyone can get their hands on a PC capable of running a sensible Linux distro. The issue we keep coming across is the heavy recurring cost of broadband in the UK for low-income households. -- *Deluxe Technology Ltd* /Linux Consultant/ mhous...@deluxe-tech.co.uk mailto:mhous...@deluxe-tech.co.uk http://www.deluxe-tech.co.uk Mob: 07970 850961 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 11:31 +0100, alan c wrote: On 23/05/11 09:53, Avi Greenbury wrote: They're specifically not. If, on first boot, they were presented with Grub asking if they wanted Linux or Windows with respect, I think the choice is between 'Ubuntu' and Windows -- alan cocks Ubuntu user The howling silence I notice about the whole 'Race Online' think is that cheap 'puter's aren't the issue. Pretty much anyone can get their hands on a PC capable of running a sensible Linux distro. The issue we keep coming across is the heavy recurring cost of broadband in the UK for low-income households. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
Martin Houston wrote: The hard disks in the Race Online PCs are all 80G at least so why is dual booting not an option there as standard. Because it's confusing. If people are learning to use computers, it makes sense that they boot into one install of one OS to do the learnings of the fundamentals. Continually switching between Linux and Windows is going to be horribly horribly confusing, even if you do concoct some scheme whereby all the files are similarly conveniently placed in each OS. Why are people being forced to choose before they know anything? They're specifically not. If, on first boot, they were presented with Grub asking if they wanted Linux or Windows, *then* they would be forced to choose. Here, the choice is being made for them. I am going to try to get the Guardian involved in running this as a campaign. Why should anyone buying a reconditioned PC be denied the chance to try Linux?- If it is only a matter of the right disk image getting put on in minutes? They're not being denied the chance to try it, they're just not having the opportunity thrust upon them. Is it a problem that they're also being 'denied' the chance to try OSX? -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
On 23/05/11 09:53, Avi Greenbury wrote: Martin Houston wrote: The hard disks in the Race Online PCs are all 80G at least so why is dual booting not an option there as standard. Because it's confusing. If people are learning to use computers, it makes sense that they boot into one install of one OS to do the learnings of the fundamentals. Continually switching between Linux and Windows is going to be horribly horribly confusing, even if you do concoct some scheme whereby all the files are similarly conveniently placed in each OS. Why are people being forced to choose before they know anything? They're specifically not. If, on first boot, they were presented with Grub asking if they wanted Linux or Windows, *then* they would be forced to choose. Here, the choice is being made for them. I am going to try to get the Guardian involved in running this as a campaign. Why should anyone buying a reconditioned PC be denied the chance to try Linux?- If it is only a matter of the right disk image getting put on in minutes? They're not being denied the chance to try it, they're just not having the opportunity thrust upon them. Is it a problem that they're also being 'denied' the chance to try OSX? As they are recruiting digital champions its down to those individuals who are doing the teaching, if you ask me to show you the internet using my own pc i will be running ubuntu, if you ask other members of the devon and cornwall lug they use other distributions, if you ask someone that uses a mac they will show you the same on a mac, if others use windows they wil be shown using windows, its a case of having more digital champions the first group will say the operating system should not have anything to do with how you use the net, as it just provides a way to load a browser ;/ mail client. paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
On 23/05/11 09:53, Avi Greenbury wrote: They're specifically not. If, on first boot, they were presented with Grub asking if they wanted Linux or Windows with respect, I think the choice is between 'Ubuntu' and Windows -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
