Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
I had a look at that but it looked very complicated, and I don't think it has a frontend for recognition/training. If it had that, it might work well enough for end-users. :) Teej On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 06:55 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > this project seems quite active > > http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/ > > and has packages for Ubuntu 10.04 in a ppa > > I have not tried it yet, but it would be interesting to see how well it > works for people. > > Alan. > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
this project seems quite active http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/ and has packages for Ubuntu 10.04 in a ppa I have not tried it yet, but it would be interesting to see how well it works for people. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
On 30 June 2010 16:43, silner wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:31:32 +0100, Roy Jamison wrote: > >> I have found Dragon NS to be quite surprisingly accurate after 10-15 >> minutes of training, so I don't think the perfect model is too far away, >> at least for closed-source payware. > > Someone told me, a while a go I must admit, that Dragon NS worked well > for women and men with high voices, but not nearly so well with deep > voices. I was told it was so bad as to be unusable for deep voiced users? I wrote a whole series of reviews for PC Magazine UK in the late 1990s using IBM ViaVoice, after lacerating the palm of my right hand in a nasty washing-up accident. It worked amazingly well - with training it could distinguish between "a gateway on the network" and "a Gateway PC" just from the slight emphasis on the proper noun. I /do/ have a pretty deep, booming voice, too. It's not true, I think. Sounds like FUD to me. Speech recognition was working well a decade ago, on for-the-time poxy hardware. It needs training, though, and it does have a small error rate - 2-3%. This is enough to be irritating if you can type reasonably well. What we /don't/ yet have is speaker-independent continuous speech recognition, i.e., without training. That's hard. But speaker-dependent stuff, if you take the time to train it, is fine. It's just that typing is quicker. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
I saw dragon ns being demonstrated at the Gadget Show Live and it worked perfectly for the 2 pages of text I saw him dictate and his voice was neither particularly high nor low. It's the best speech recognition I've ever seen and it's a shame that it doesn't even work too well under wine. Gadget3000 On 30 Jun 2010 16:44, "silner" wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:31:32 +0100, Roy Jamison wrote: > I have found Dragon NS to be quite surpris... Someone told me, a while a go I must admit, that Dragon NS worked well for women and men with high voices, but not nearly so well with deep voices. I was told it was so bad as to be unusable for deep voiced users? -- http://twitter.com/silner -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ub... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:31:32 +0100, Roy Jamison wrote: > I have found Dragon NS to be quite surprisingly accurate after 10-15 > minutes of training, so I don't think the perfect model is too far away, > at least for closed-source payware. Someone told me, a while a go I must admit, that Dragon NS worked well for women and men with high voices, but not nearly so well with deep voices. I was told it was so bad as to be unusable for deep voiced users? -- http://twitter.com/silner -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
@Alan: Exactly my thought! It's a shame that if there are any, that they weren't released (or at least not without public knowledge). I suppose contacting Universities would be a futile attempt ;) (saying that if I thought it would bring results I would do it!) If anything can be found I would be willing to maintain it. On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 22:29 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > Roy Jamison wrote: > > Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for > > quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be > > anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. > > I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and > > julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? > > It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to > > accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, > > albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* > > rather than nothing? > > Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily > > do better!! > > Would like to hear peeps comments on this! > > > > > > > IBM did once release a speech recognition product for Linux but they > failed to maintain it and withdrew it after a while. Text to speech is a > little better. The accessibility team > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility is a good starting point to find > out information on this subject. There are basically two approaches, > command recognition where the application is listening for a small > vocabulary or recorded phrases and it triggers something in response to > the command (like "call mum" to initiate a phone call). The second type > of speech recognition application is *hard* and that is natural speech > dictation. Whilst this is a very very hard problem I wouldn't be > surprised if there were a dozen or so reasonably decent implementations > done as a dissertation by various people and then abandoned once they > got their degree. > > Alan. > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
Actually in its defense, I have found Dragon NS to be quite surprisingly accurate after 10-15 minutes of training, so I don't think the perfect model is too far away, at least for closed-source payware. Open-source I'm not too sure but there's always a negative spin every time this subject pops up. I feel sad for the thousands of "accessibility needing" end users who would rely on this technology to get through with using PCs, and because of this slow(?) progression can't turn to Ubuntu/linux just yet. On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 22:18 +0100, Steve wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:08:45 +0100, Roy Jamison > wrote: > > > Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for > > quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be > > anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. > > I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and > > julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? > > It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to > > accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, > > albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* > > rather than nothing? > > Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily > > do better!! > > Would like to hear peeps comments on this! > > > > > I think any attempt at a speech recognition system is an exercise in > futility. I’ve never come across one that is anywhere near working and > given that humans have enough problems understanding each other at times, > I seriously a computer will ever manage. > > -- > Steve (Yorvyk) > http://lubuntu.net > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
Roy Jamison wrote: > Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for > quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be > anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. > I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and > julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? > It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to > accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, > albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* > rather than nothing? > Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily > do better!! > Would like to hear peeps comments on this! > > > IBM did once release a speech recognition product for Linux but they failed to maintain it and withdrew it after a while. Text to speech is a little better. The accessibility team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility is a good starting point to find out information on this subject. There are basically two approaches, command recognition where the application is listening for a small vocabulary or recorded phrases and it triggers something in response to the command (like "call mum" to initiate a phone call). The second type of speech recognition application is *hard* and that is natural speech dictation. Whilst this is a very very hard problem I wouldn't be surprised if there were a dozen or so reasonably decent implementations done as a dissertation by various people and then abandoned once they got their degree. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:08:45 +0100, Roy Jamison wrote: > Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for > quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be > anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. > I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and > julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? > It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to > accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, > albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* > rather than nothing? > Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily > do better!! > Would like to hear peeps comments on this! > > I think any attempt at a speech recognition system is an exercise in futility. I’ve never come across one that is anywhere near working and given that humans have enough problems understanding each other at times, I seriously a computer will ever manage. -- Steve (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
