Re: [ubuntu-uk] Starting an IT workshop
On 1 July 2012 00:58, Andres Muniz wrote: >If you can't find out beforehand, then go for >something basic but enjoyable: using the Internet in Ubuntu is a good > one, emphasising its secure nature and lack of viruses. I've done this before, a good demo of this that students seem to particularly enjoy is finding a Windows virus, embedding it in a local webpage then going to it in Linux and asking if there is anything unusual... when the students say no, fire up a Windows VM and go to the same place. Really drives the point home that Linux is more secure and people may consider installing it more if they see it in action. Daniel -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Starting an IT workshop
- Mensaje original - > Hi Andres! > > I've taught adults for a long time (30 years) and there's a good rule: > start from where they're already at. So find out as much as you can > about what they already potentially know, and also what they'd like to > be able to do. Then plan to at least deal with the aspirations that are > practically achievable. If you can't find out beforehand, then go for > something basic but enjoyable: using the Internet in Ubuntu is a good > one, emphasising its secure nature and lack of viruses. > > Get back to me if you need any help. > > On 28/06/12 22:49, Andres wrote: > > I have just been to a local neighbourhood community [0] meeting and > > thought ann IT workshop would help out. The group already does > > workshops relating to gardening, bicycle maintenance and such. > > > > My question is: how do I propose it in your experience? > > What I have for the moment is an old laptop, > > I would like to order a bunch ubuntu CDs if I can to hand out > > I know my way around computers but I'm not a professional but I think I > > have a lot of patience explaining IT stuff to children and adults. > > I like talking to people about using libreoffice instead of MS office, > > ubuntu instead of windows,... > > The community can offer an enclosed place "The little House" or the > > library. Both can take about 10 people. > > > > Would it be best to start with something simple? or look alliance with > > some other community that already exists and are looking for a place to > > do some sort of mini workshop. This is what they did with the bicycle > > workshop. > > > > So I was asked to source some info to take back to the meeting for next > > month. Can someone point me in the right direction? > > > > [0] http://www.hamunitedgroup.org.uk > > > > > > > -- > Beatrix E. Groves > BA Hons (Educ) LCGI MAPTT MIFL QTLS > President, Institute for Learning (IfL) > General Secretary, Association of Part-Time Tutors (APTT) > <>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<> > Email: beagro...@gmail.com > Email: b...@beagroves.net > Web: http://www.beagroves.net > Blog: http://beagroves.tumblr.com > > wow people! Thanks for all your help! Have a lot of reading to get on with. I'll write a plan up so that i can discuss it with the comunity. And you all, if I may. Definately would not like to fix windows. Nor macs. In case someone is in the TW10 and is looking for a place something similar, please let me know. oh! Just got confirmation that I have internet access as well! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Starting an IT workshop
Hi Andres! I've taught adults for a long time (30 years) and there's a good rule: start from where they're already at. So find out as much as you can about what they already potentially know, and also what they'd like to be able to do. Then plan to at least deal with the aspirations that are practically achievable. If you can't find out beforehand, then go for something basic but enjoyable: using the Internet in Ubuntu is a good one, emphasising its secure nature and lack of viruses. Get back to me if you need any help. On 28/06/12 22:49, Andres wrote: I have just been to a local neighbourhood community [0] meeting and thought ann IT workshop would help out. The group already does workshops relating to gardening, bicycle maintenance and such. My question is: how do I propose it in your experience? What I have for the moment is an old laptop, I would like to order a bunch ubuntu CDs if I can to hand out I know my way around computers but I'm not a professional but I think I have a lot of patience explaining IT stuff to children and adults. I like talking to people about using libreoffice instead of MS office, ubuntu instead of windows,... The community can offer an enclosed place "The little House" or the library. Both can take about 10 people. Would it be best to start with something simple? or look alliance with some other community that already exists and are looking for a place to do some sort of mini workshop. This is what they did with the bicycle workshop. So I was asked to source some info to take back to the meeting for next month. Can someone point me in the right direction? [0] http://www.hamunitedgroup.org.uk -- Beatrix E. Groves BA Hons (Educ) LCGI MAPTT MIFL QTLS President, Institute for Learning (IfL) General Secretary, Association of Part-Time Tutors (APTT) <>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<> Email: beagro...@gmail.com Email: b...@beagroves.net Web:http://www.beagroves.net Blog: http://beagroves.tumblr.com <>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<> Random Quote of the Day (chosen by my computer) -> It is the eternal struggle between two principles - right and wrong - throughout the world . . . It is the same spirit that says, ‘you toil and work and earn bread - and I’ll eat it.’ no matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labour, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle! -- Abraham Lincoln, from Lincoln-Douglas debates, 15 October 1858 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Starting an IT workshop
On 28/06/12 22:49, Andres wrote: I have just been to a local neighbourhood community [0] meeting and thought ann IT workshop would help out. The group already does workshops relating to gardening, bicycle maintenance and such. My question is: how do I propose it in your experience? What I have for the moment is an old laptop, I would like to order a bunch ubuntu CDs if I can to hand out I know my way around computers but I'm not a professional but I think I have a lot of patience explaining IT stuff to children and adults. I like talking to people about using libreoffice instead of MS office, ubuntu instead of windows,... The community can offer an enclosed place "The little House" or the library. Both can take about 10 people. Would it be best to start with something simple? or look alliance with some other community that already exists and are looking for a place to do some sort of mini workshop. This is what they did with the bicycle workshop. So I was asked to source some info to take back to the meeting for next month. Can someone point me in the right direction? [0] http://www.hamunitedgroup.org.uk I run a couple of Libre Computing groups in my nearby clubs (U3A as it happens, aimed at older and retired people, like me)(some members can barely walk). I chose the name carefully because I am not motivated to continue helping with the everlasting Windows problems people have (note). http://www.bracknellu3a.org.uk/ComputerLibre.html http://www.wokinghamu3a.org.uk/Computing_Libre.html Web Manager typos and web page design style aside, you will see that they are strongly Ubuntu centric, although retain flexibility. The clubs have a thousand members or more and I quickly found up to a dozen people interested in each group (1%). Some only wanted (ubuntu) dual boot install, but are not into attending the meetings - ok with me - others are still using Windows but are keen enough to attend most meets. Some are ex IT admin variously or serious tech types. None would even consider a LUG, I suggest leave any such thoughts for a later date. Not even forums in most cases. It is surprising how much people like to gather and chat face to face. Just listen and help. Initially I did live cd demonstrations and talked. I only use Ubuntu, no Windows for many years now, but I understand its siren pull. One person used a live usb (with help to create one) for many months then installed dual boot. And continued even when some Windows related security sw gave us serious trouble. Ended up using clonezilla by themselves to image a good PC state to make reinstall of whatever much easier. Impressive, but just needed a bit of chat and confidence. Topics are wide, but discussions are group introduced - with a little prompting, it works well. I see my basic role as Ubuntu (FLOSS) support. Internet access will be important. Any more Q's? Note: Time was, I helped 1000's of novice users with Windows by creating and running the age concern berkshire Computer Centre (Part of the then UKOnline facility)-- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Starting an IT workshop
Aim to keep it very simple Andres, Remember the recent demo of the Windows Pad. When experienced journalists couldn't find the switch off button. They immediately started to 'freak-out.' This will also be the case with the 'plug and play' generation. That purchased devices that plugged but seldom played. Main thing is to get the group feeling confident enough to start trying things out themselves. A simple plan could be : 1. How the live disc works. 2. A lot of time on using the interface. 3. How to use LibreOffice Writer.4. Intro to Firefox. 5. Adding DuckDuckGo to Firefox.(with a brief intro to privacy and security). 6.How to write and send an e.mail.This will be more than enough.Do not introduce other distros.Stress the community spirit of Ubuntu. Keeping things simple allows you to identify the different abilities within the group. So you can get more capable users help others. Unfortunately Skype has never worked out of the box for me on Ubuntu or Debian. Most importantly ask the group what they would like to do with a computer. Then go about doing it : probably writing a letter. Using your own plan as a back up. Learn from the group rather than 'push' stuff at them (not easy). This is so important for the future of Ubuntu. John On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 22:49 +0100, Andres wrote: > I have just been to a local neighbourhood community [0] meeting and > thought ann IT workshop would help out. The group already does > workshops relating to gardening, bicycle maintenance and such. > > My question is: how do I propose it in your experience? > What I have for the moment is an old laptop, > I would like to order a bunch ubuntu CDs if I can to hand out > I know my way around computers but I'm not a professional but I think > I have a lot of patience explaining IT stuff to children and adults. > I like talking to people about using libreoffice instead of MS office, > ubuntu instead of windows,... > The community can offer an enclosed place "The little House" or the > library. Both can take about 10 people. > > Would it be best to start with something simple? or look alliance with > some other community that already exists and are looking for a place > to do some sort of mini workshop. This is what they did with the > bicycle workshop. > > So I was asked to source some info to take back to the meeting for > next month. Can someone point me in the right direction? > > [0] http://www.hamunitedgroup.org.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Starting an IT workshop
On 28/06/12 22:49, Andres wrote: I have just been to a local neighbourhood community [0] meeting and thought ann IT workshop would help out. The group already does workshops relating to gardening, bicycle maintenance and such. My question is: how do I propose it in your experience? What I have for the moment is an old laptop, I would like to order a bunch ubuntu CDs if I can to hand out I know my way around computers but I'm not a professional but I think I have a lot of patience explaining IT stuff to children and adults. I like talking to people about using libreoffice instead of MS office, ubuntu instead of windows,... The community can offer an enclosed place "The little House" or the library. Both can take about 10 people. Would it be best to start with something simple? or look alliance with some other community that already exists and are looking for a place to do some sort of mini workshop. This is what they did with the bicycle workshop. So I was asked to source some info to take back to the meeting for next month. Can someone point me in the right direction? [0] http://www.hamunitedgroup.org.uk I'd maybe suggest looking around for a local LUG and joining their mailing list and see if there are any other interested parties. That's pretty much what we've done in Devon & Cornwall, a couple of us have got together and done things, it's easier when working with others as you don't have to do everything yourself and you can all give up a bit of time. Maybe rather than doing the hard sell on Ubuntu straight away, possibly start encouraging people to take away copies of The Open Disc (I think it's available from www.theopendisc.org) which they can use on their Windows PCs. It has a wide variety of stuff such as Firefox, LibreOffice (although it may still be OpenOffice.org), TuxPaint etc. Maybe let them take away a live CD or live DVD to play with although you may find the occasional user who has some exotic bit of kit which won't play friendly with Linux. I found this with someone who had a USB ADSL modem and I had to spend 2 hours over at their place tethered off my phone trying to get their modem working, other examples are some older budget laptops with less common chipsets... SIS and VIA chipsets come to mind. Saying that I find that most machines these days maybe have Intel, AMD or NVidia chipsets and just seem to work. Anyway, good luck... maybe there might be other members on this mailing list near you who might be able to offer a hand too :-) Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Starting an IT workshop
You could start here: http://www.ukonlinecentres.com/ I think one of the key things is to start with things that will really get people interested, e.g online shopping or using Skype to see loved ones living far away. Tony On 28 June 2012 22:49, Andres wrote: > ** > I have just been to a local neighbourhood community [0] meeting and > thought ann IT workshop would help out. The group already does workshops > relating to gardening, bicycle maintenance and such. > > My question is: how do I propose it in your experience? > What I have for the moment is an old laptop, > I would like to order a bunch ubuntu CDs if I can to hand out > I know my way around computers but I'm not a professional but I think I > have a lot of patience explaining IT stuff to children and adults. > I like talking to people about using libreoffice instead of MS office, > ubuntu instead of windows,... > The community can offer an enclosed place "The little House" or the > library. Both can take about 10 people. > > Would it be best to start with something simple? or look alliance with > some other community that already exists and are looking for a place to do > some sort of mini workshop. This is what they did with the bicycle > workshop. > > So I was asked to source some info to take back to the meeting for next > month. Can someone point me in the right direction? > > [0] http://www.hamunitedgroup.org.uk > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
