Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
hello You don't have to do any reinstallations. pop in your ubuntu-live CD and follow these instructions: 1) load up a terminal in live 2) sudo grub 3) type in: 'find /boot/grub/stage1' 4) type in 'root' followed by the info you got in 3 (ie if you got returned HD(1,1) type 'root (HD1,1) 5) type in 'setup hd(0,0) reboot and you should have grub installed. If windows XP doesnt display use the grub manual which tells you how to put the entry into the list manually (you have to set the windowsXP boot partition to the partition with NTLoader on it) Hope that helps Regards, On 27/07/07, Keith Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alan c wrote: Keith Powell wrote: I was rather scared of doing anything which may adversely affect the XP drive, such as installing GRUB on it, as I didn't want to go to the palava of having to reinstall Windows. Now, having read your replies, I'm confident of having the two drives internally and selecting them with GRUB. I'll do it over the week-end. The biggest risk if there is one, with a dual boot install is the possible resize of the ntfs partiton I would guess, so I always suggest scandisk well and defrag at least once if not more, to ensure tidiest hard drive, Also obviously to have a backup in case of unforseen disaster. However, if you use a second hd for ubuntu, there is very little touched on the first drive at all. So (almost) no risk to data. If you do go for a ubuntu reinstall, an easy way would be to leave a large unpartitioned space on the drive (maybe the whole drive, partitions previously deleted), if you want a semi automagical install, anyway. Thanks for the additional information, Alan. Much appreciated! Cheers Keith -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 08:39 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote: 4) type in 'root' followed by the info you got in 3 (ie if you got returned HD(1,1) type 'root (HD1,1) I think it's case sensitive so that should be root (hd1,1), not root (HD1,1). I'm not entirely sure, but do it in lowercase just to be safe. -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 08:39 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote: 5) type in 'setup hd(0,0) Oh and that should be setup (hd0), or setup (hd0,0), probably the former. -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 08:39 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote: 5) type in 'setup hd(0,0) Oh and that should be setup (hd0), or setup (hd0,0), probably the former. If you boot of an Ubuntu CD, run it in recovery mode. You get an option to reinstall grub there. (Which is what I had to do, when I installed windows XP on top of a computer already running Ubuntu. Games :( ) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Keith Powell wrote: For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? Thank you all for your prompt replies and the help. I was rather scared of doing anything which may adversely affect the XP drive, such as installing GRUB on it, as I didn't want to go to the palava of having to reinstall Windows. Now, having read your replies, I'm confident of having the two drives internally and selecting them with GRUB. I'll do it over the week-end. Thanks again. Cheers Keith -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
alan c wrote: However, if you use a second hd for ubuntu, there is very little touched on the first drive at all. So (almost) no risk to data. Indeed... and if you're planning to throw the old Ubuntu disc away and get a new larger one you might even consider backing up the whole Windows drive onto that old drive, just to calm your fears in my experience it has never been necessary to restore from such backups, but to have a complete backup of Windows can never hurt - it being such a tempestuous Operating System and all ;-) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Keith Powell wrote: Keith Powell wrote: For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? Thank you all for your prompt replies and the help. I was rather scared of doing anything which may adversely affect the XP drive, such as installing GRUB on it, as I didn't want to go to the palava of having to reinstall Windows. Now, having read your replies, I'm confident of having the two drives internally and selecting them with GRUB. I'll do it over the week-end. The biggest risk if there is one, with a dual boot install is the possible resize of the ntfs partiton I would guess, so I always suggest scandisk well and defrag at least once if not more, to ensure tidiest hard drive, Also obviously to have a backup in case of unforseen disaster. However, if you use a second hd for ubuntu, there is very little touched on the first drive at all. So (almost) no risk to data. If you do go for a ubuntu reinstall, an easy way would be to leave a large unpartitioned space on the drive (maybe the whole drive, partitions previously deleted), if you want a semi automagical install, anyway. hth -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
alan c wrote: Keith Powell wrote: I was rather scared of doing anything which may adversely affect the XP drive, such as installing GRUB on it, as I didn't want to go to the palava of having to reinstall Windows. Now, having read your replies, I'm confident of having the two drives internally and selecting them with GRUB. I'll do it over the week-end. The biggest risk if there is one, with a dual boot install is the possible resize of the ntfs partiton I would guess, so I always suggest scandisk well and defrag at least once if not more, to ensure tidiest hard drive, Also obviously to have a backup in case of unforseen disaster. However, if you use a second hd for ubuntu, there is very little touched on the first drive at all. So (almost) no risk to data. If you do go for a ubuntu reinstall, an easy way would be to leave a large unpartitioned space on the drive (maybe the whole drive, partitions previously deleted), if you want a semi automagical install, anyway. Thanks for the additional information, Alan. Much appreciated! Cheers Keith -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Keith Powell wrote: For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? With two hard drives, how are the jumpers set up? One master and one slave, both master, or how? I also have two DVD drives, one is just a player and one which will record. Any advice will be very gratefully received. Grub would make life easier and if you're reinstalling ubuntu grub would be set up for you if you have both drives in the machine. Just connect the drives as normal XP as Master and ubuntu as slave. You can do the F8 thing if you want, I know somebody that does it at work to hide ubuntu as they don't like unauthorised software on the machines, it's just a bit fiddly. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Setting GRUB up isn't something you generally have to do any more :) Ubuntu installation will take care of it for you. Nowadays dual-booting has become REALLY easy... I recommend it over switching BIOS settings, it's much easier. If both drives are on the same IDE cable then yes, one is master, and one is slave. The arrangements should be shown on the back of the disks. Matthew. On 7/26/07, Keith Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? With two hard drives, how are the jumpers set up? One master and one slave, both master, or how? I also have two DVD drives, one is just a player and one which will record. Any advice will be very gratefully received. Many thanks Keith -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
You would just need to set the Ubuntu one as master and the XP one as slave (not the other way round like you suggested) and when you reinstall Ubuntu, it should automatically add an entry in GRUB for XP. If not, post back on this list and I'll tell you what you need to do to add a GRUB entry. On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 20:18 +0100, Keith Powell wrote: For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? With two hard drives, how are the jumpers set up? One master and one slave, both master, or how? I also have two DVD drives, one is just a player and one which will record. Any advice will be very gratefully received. Many thanks Keith -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Alec Wright wrote: You would just need to set the Ubuntu one as master and the XP one as slave (not the other way round like you suggested) and when you reinstall Ubuntu, it should automatically add an entry in GRUB for XP. I do not think that it matters much whether one is master or slave (I think). The master boot record is presumably on the master hd, and it will be modified by the ubuntu install wherever that is, to then use the ubuntu boot information (grub). It is easier to have windows in place first, because if you install windows last, it does not take linux into account. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
On 26/07/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would just need to set the Ubuntu one as master and the XP one as slave (not the other way round like you suggested) and when you reinstall Ubuntu, it should automatically add an entry in GRUB for XP. If not, post back on this list and I'll tell you what you need to do to add a GRUB entry. I don't think XP will be too happy booting if it's not on the master disk. As Steve said, keep the XP disk as master and make the Ubuntu disk the slave (using the jumpers on the back of the drives - should be easy to see if they're still in the caddies at the mo!). When you reinstall Ubuntu onto the slave disk, you can select to set up Grub on the MBR of the first disk, and Bob's your Auntie's live-in lover! If you do put the XP disk as the slave, I think you need to use the install disk to re-configure the boot loader to get it to work. And it needs to be a proper install disk that will allow you to get to the recovery console - I tried it with Win2k but I only have an OEM reinstall disk which only offered a complete wipe of the disk to FAT32 (I originally got the PC formatted as NTFS). I haven't used Windows since! Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Keith Powell wrote: I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Grief, no... put the XP drive as master, and your blank shiny new drive as slave... boot into XP to make sure it's working and you're ready to go. Shutdown machine and restart, booting from the Ubuntu CD. Once it's loaded click on the Install icon, make sure your new slave drive is selected as the install destination and sit back and let Ubuntu do it all for you. It will, eventually, ask you if you want it to put a link to XP on grub (or similar), just confirm you do and all will be sorted. There's no reason at all why you could need to mess around or even touch grub... it should be automatic. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
