Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen O'Neill wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7594249.stm (sorry if this has already been posted) I should have included contentious excerpts for those with things to do. Ubuntu's own website isn't much help either. It suggests that with this particular machine it can sometimes help to whip out the battery, give it a couple of minutes, whack it back in, plug in an ethernet cable and get on line first that way. Nada. and It's probably worth mentioning one other important point about Linux here. It's a text-based operating system, which means that a fair few of the things you may want to tell your computer to do - installing certain new software, for example - requires you to open up a terminal window and actually type text into the little window. It's a bit like the way all hackers in Hollywood movies furiously crash out lines of incomprehensible text on their laptops when they're trying to bust into the Pentagon's defence network. As someone used solely to double-clicking on pretty pictures to do most anything on a computer this is pretty hairy stuff. Discuss. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIv3+gJ+Auntu1v4QRAgp4AJ9W1GrWDsJCgU8E8M88P1sIb3zDdACgmPg2 VWpDB6UGhoURD3iS8StW6bY= =bKAA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen O'Neill wrote: I should have included contentious excerpts for those with things to do. Sorry for the spam, I should contemplate before clicking 'send'. A point that I agree with the author on is: But I'm completely stumped by the instructions posted on these [forums]. The level of assumed knowledge is way above my head. I follow a couple of suggestions, try to connect to my router using an ethernet cable, download code that promises to set things right. And fail. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIv4CrJ+Auntu1v4QRAh0rAJ0Xn9VoXu8NcR/sR9gZupMcmvRJsgCfXYhr v5X2mmQbUMG9nx3V89EAySE= =AU34 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 07:23 +0100, Stephen O'Neill wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7594249.stm (sorry if this has already been posted) - -- Stephen O'Neill Yeah, this one has been done over a bit in #ubuntu-uk on IRC. :-) A response has been constructed by at least one member who may wish to comment / discuss it here. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 08:21 +0100, Philip Newborough wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Stephen O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the spam, I should contemplate before clicking 'send'. What spam? Not everyone logs into IRC so I wouldn't worry. Personally, I found the article an interesting read. Thanks for posting the link :) --- Philip I agree. Discussion in IRC and on the list is all good. It was an interesting read, but a bit hopping from place to place. May have something to do with his attention span of a gnat he admitted to. :-) Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Miller wrote: It actually annoys me when people misrepresent the situation so - installing from a terminal only happens in exceptional circumstances these days. The BBC shouldn't be advocates, but should sit on the fence. Examples like this and the scrolling bootup text aren't really sitting on the fence. I did empathise with his line about knowledge being a barrier to entry, hopefully that will be addressed naturally over time as the product matures. It would be nice to see an alternative series of it's hard to do articles - there are lots of things I find hard in Ubuntu, but there are lots of things I find hard in Windows too which don't get airplay. He noted how he wanted itunes-esque integration, well my g/f bought an ipod thing at the weekend and I found iTunes to be largely non-intuitive to use - certainly not the experience which the hype and his comments would have had me believe. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIv5huJ+Auntu1v4QRAlC1AJ9DUlH6JVjWKJCg56QCp2Qd7i3/1gCfSx6x qrOJQ2eNyL9qhVi+AGegwsI= =gz0u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen O'Neill wrote: I did empathise with his line about knowledge being a barrier to entry, hopefully that will be addressed naturally over time as the product matures. Obviously, before I'm jumped on, I forgot the whole argument about Microsoft being de-facto standard in schools etc... and how MS would be hard if it wasn't the fact we were given it to use from day zero. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIv5omJ+Auntu1v4QRAvgfAJsEEROTaulVFL0DtpxICklyrQgvEwCfeVyK mC7blqrAQ8XsvAi2/dfsswM= =he0i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 09:00 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: It actually annoys me when people misrepresent the situation so - installing from a terminal only happens in exceptional circumstances these days. The BBC seem to like doing this - if you recall on Click a few months ago they had a piece on Ubuntu where they had a black screen with scrolling text during boot-up, that ain't what my Ubuntu does (well, not unless I ask it to and Windows is just the same in that regard!) Sean This article also does similar misrepresentation. Paragraph 5 of the 'Text based' section. It's probably worth mentioning one other important point about Linux here. It's a text-based operating system, which means that a fair few of the things you may want to tell your computer to do - installing certain new software, for example - requires you to open up a terminal window and actually type text into the little window. This paragraph is incorrect and really does get my back up. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Philip Wyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article also does similar misrepresentation. Paragraph 5 of the 'Text based' section. It's probably worth mentioning one other important point about Linux here. It's a text-based operating system, which means that a fair few of the things you may want to tell your computer to do - installing certain new software, for example - requires you to open up a terminal window and actually type text into the little window. This paragraph is incorrect and really does get my back up. Regards Phil At first I was going to say that sounds like libel but after re-reading the text I see it says *certain* new software. Well, in some cases using the terminal is still required to install software so it's quite accurate. Of course, registry modifications and the like are often required in Microsoft systems so it's not really fair to bring it up. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
Disregarding any debatable elements of the article, I think it was a _fairly_ positive review from an obvious Linux novice. Do not get me wrong, I am all for supporting Ubuntu and Linux, however; let's face it, it isn't perfect, and articles such as this go a long way to providing insight into where any potential problems can be found. As I understand it, the only real issues the author had were with the machines networking and with its incompatibility with Apple's iPod. That's not too bad is it? --- Philip -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
You're right, Philip, the real issues were actually few in number but my real objection is the way Linux is portrayed in articles such as this by the BBC. It seems to me the BBC are more concerned with looking cool in presenting it's insightful articles investigating such official entities as Microsoft and Apple while dismissing Linux as something for hippies and geeks. It fails to address that the open source model is addressing some very real issues in business and industry where flexibility and not being tied into a single vendor are becoming increasingly important. It also fails to address the fact that business models have to change and evolve to prevent stagnation in commerce. There's no doubt that some things need to change in Linux but I would also submit that much of this is simply due to the inherent differences rather than any real shortcomings. We all know that an up to date, working Linux system can do just about anything Windows or Mac OSX can do. In my opinion, the BBC just barely scrapes ahead of tabloids when it comes to journalistic integrity and given the nature of how the BBC is funded, that's entirely unacceptable. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Disregarding any debatable elements of the article, I think it was a _fairly_ positive review from an obvious Linux novice. Do not get me wrong, I am all for supporting Ubuntu and Linux, however; let's face it, it isn't perfect, and articles such as this go a long way to providing insight into where any potential problems can be found. As I understand it, the only real issues the author had were with the machines networking and with its incompatibility with Apple's iPod. That's not too bad is it? --- Philip -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Bruce Beardall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, Philip, the real issues were actually few in number but my real objection is the way Linux is portrayed in articles such as this by the BBC. It seems to me the BBC are more concerned with looking cool in presenting it's insightful articles investigating such official entities as Microsoft and Apple while dismissing Linux as something for hippies and geeks. Fair point, but I wouldn't read anything into this other than ignorance. Also, a fair number of Linux users do happen to be geeks :D Peace out man ;) --- Philip -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting - BBC
I will not surrender! Yeah, OK, I will. Just wanted to wave my flag from my soapbox. I'm still smiling. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Bruce Beardall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, Philip, the real issues were actually few in number but my real objection is the way Linux is portrayed in articles such as this by the BBC. It seems to me the BBC are more concerned with looking cool in presenting it's insightful articles investigating such official entities as Microsoft and Apple while dismissing Linux as something for hippies and geeks. Fair point, but I wouldn't read anything into this other than ignorance. Also, a fair number of Linux users do happen to be geeks :D Peace out man ;) --- Philip -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
