Re: [ubuntu-uk] old Toshiba/OpenBSD
On 9 September 2014 06:52, Steven Roberts cwmbranmathstu...@gmail.com wrote: OpenBSD could have been an option too, possibly. I set that up on an ancient laptop a couple of years ago. Good fun and it taught me a lot about Linux! *Nit-Pick alert! (please don't be offended - it's not meant to deride)* That's interesting because, as we should all be aware, OpenBSD (and FreeBSD and others) is NOT Linux. At all. It uses both an entirely different kernel and prescribed userland* which means the only similarity (besides similarly named utilities which aren't based on the same code as each other causing subtle differences in function such as bsd sed vs gnu sed's accepted command-line arguments) is that BSDs and Linux distros are POSIX compliant which allows software to be recompiled to work on either. The point here is the re-compile step - you can't take linux software in binary-form and expect it to work on a BSD (ignoring FreeBSD's linuxulator for now because that muddies the water a bit). Instead you need to compile it from source code specifically for the BSD you're running. * The Debian project has a release which takes the Debian GNU-based userland and the FreeBSD kernel and marries the two to make a GNU/Debian/kFreeBSD hybrid which is decidedly NOT FreeBSD because it uses GNU instead of the FreeBSD userland and decided NOT Linux because there is no trace of the Linux kernel (the requirement for something to call itself Linux). The only similarity between Debian/kFreeBSD and a GNU/Linux is the GNU part. -- Daniel Llewellyn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old Toshiba/OpenBSD
On 9 September 2014 16:50, Daniel Llewellyn diddle...@gmail.com wrote: *Nit-Pick alert! (please don't be offended - it's not meant to deride)* That's interesting because, as we should all be aware, OpenBSD (and FreeBSD and others) is NOT Linux. At all. Yes, this is true. However, using a BSD /does/ teach you a lot about Linux. Why? Because modern Linux is very polished -- almost everything is autodetected, autoconfigured, enabled and Just Works™. So in using it, you don't learn a lot. The BSDs do almost none of this. You need to learn all about stuff like compiling software, mount points, permissions, filesystems, drivers, and so on. And much of that is actually generic *nix knowledge and applies just as well on Linux, Mac OS X, Solaris, AIX, HP/UX, etc. etc. So, the comment is true. And OpenBSD is one of the most basic of the BSDs. It is /way/ smaller, simpler, less-polished than even FreeBSD, say, let alone a modern distro of FreeBSD such as PC-BSD or GhostBSD. So, yes, using OpenBSD *does* teach you about Real Unix and what it used to be like in the bad old days. E.g. it's not possible to update OpenBSD off the Internet unless you write a config file that tells it that it can do this and pointing it to some repositories -- this is not functionality that is enabled out of the box. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old Toshiba/OpenBSD
1. Re: old toshiba (Simon Greenwood) 2. Re: old toshiba (Norman Silverstone) Message: 1 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 22:25:25 +0100 From: Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba Message-ID: caox0bxm83jihrdorzcsnawsnhfo1ykjx5y4t4uts2adxmc3...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 6 September 2014 20:56, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2014 19:54, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: There is a free DOS called, predictably FreeDOS (http://freedos.org), which is available in floppy and CD images. In case anyone else thinks the site is down, the correct address appears to, unhelpfully, be http://www.freedos.org/ Regards, Matthew Do you know, I think I've done that before, I rarely put www in front of a hostname anymore and of course it's still technically incorrect according to RFC 3986 but you just assume it works, but of course not if the bare domain doesn't have an A record. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20140906/eea20dde/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 10:29:39 +0100 From: Norman Silverstone nor...@littletank.org To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba Message-ID: 540c2583.3040...@littletank.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 06/09/14 22:25, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 September 2014 20:56, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com mailto:mwi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2014 19:54, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com mailto:sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: There is a free DOS called, predictably FreeDOS ( http://freedos.org), which is available in floppy and CD images. In case anyone else thinks the site is down, the correct address appears to, unhelpfully, be http://www.freedos.org/ Regards, Matthew Do you know, I think I've done that before, I rarely put www in front of a hostname anymore and of course it's still technically incorrect according to RFC 3986 but you just assume it works, but of course not if the bare domain doesn't have an A record. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib Thanks folks, FreeDos has been successfully installed and indications are good for being able to use some of the old applications and games on 3.5in floppies. Norman OpenBSD could have been an option too, possibly. I set that up on an ancient laptop a couple of years ago. Good fun and it taught me a lot about Linux! Steve. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 06/09/14 22:25, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 September 2014 20:56, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com mailto:mwi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2014 19:54, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com mailto:sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: There is a free DOS called, predictably FreeDOS (http://freedos.org), which is available in floppy and CD images. In case anyone else thinks the site is down, the correct address appears to, unhelpfully, be http://www.freedos.org/ Regards, Matthew Do you know, I think I've done that before, I rarely put www in front of a hostname anymore and of course it's still technically incorrect according to RFC 3986 but you just assume it works, but of course not if the bare domain doesn't have an A record. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib Thanks folks, FreeDos has been successfully installed and indications are good for being able to use some of the old applications and games on 3.5in floppies. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 6 September 2014 18:01, Norman Silverstone nor...@littletank.org wrote: I have unearthed an old Toshiba Satellite S300CDS/2.1GB which appears to be in working order. It has Windows 2000 installed but needs a password which nobody knows. It seems to me to be a good idea to try to install a version of Ubuntu and would like to know what you would suggest. There's a tool in Ubuntu to remove NT passwords: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14369/change-or-reset-windows-password-from-a-ubuntu-live-cd/ Or you could use a specialist CD: http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/ For such an old PC (10y old), any modern Linux distro will really struggle. About the only *buntu with even a chance is LXLE: http://lxle.net/ Go with the 12.04 version. But it would be better suited to Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 06/09/14 17:01, Norman Silverstone wrote: I have unearthed an old Toshiba Satellite S300CDS/2.1GB... It seems to me to be a good idea to try to install a version of Ubuntu and would like to know what you would suggest. Hi Norman There's an article in issue 88 of Full Circle magazine (page 15) about creating a minimal Ubuntu desktop. Might be worth a look: http://fullcirclemagazine.org mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 6 September 2014 18:30, mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Hi Norman There's an article in issue 88 of Full Circle magazine (page 15) about creating a minimal Ubuntu desktop. Might be worth a look: http://fullcirclemagazine.org Windows XP shipped to OEMs in 2001 and the public in 2002. This PC probably predates the 21st century. It *maxes out* at 96MB RAM: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37114start=15 You can forget any current distro on it. It's even older than I thought with my previous comment. It might *just about* run DSL. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 6 September 2014 17:28, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: For such an old PC (10y old), any modern Linux distro will really struggle. About the only *buntu with even a chance is LXLE: http://lxle.net/ Go with the 12.04 version. But it would be better suited to Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux. I might even be even more controversial and suggest the LXQt or PekWM versions of Manjaro. Even their Xfce edition works nicely on an EeePC 901. J -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 6 September 2014 18:36, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: Even their Xfce edition works nicely on an EeePC 901. Which is about 50x more powerful than this machine, which came with about 32MB of RAM and a 75MHz CPU or something like that. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 6 September 2014 17:44, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: Which is about 50x more powerful than this machine, which came with about 32MB of RAM and a 75MHz CPU or something like that. Yeah, I realised that after I'd posted... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 06/09/14 17:35, Liam Proven wrote: On 6 September 2014 18:30, mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Hi Norman There's an article in issue 88 of Full Circle magazine (page 15) about creating a minimal Ubuntu desktop. Might be worth a look: http://fullcirclemagazine.org Windows XP shipped to OEMs in 2001 and the public in 2002. This PC probably predates the 21st century. It *maxes out* at 96MB RAM: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37114start=15 You can forget any current distro on it. It's even older than I thought with my previous comment. It might *just about* run DSL. My old laptop (OEM Vista) now struggles with modern Ubuntu, but runs Crunchbang #! fine, the light weight Openbox enviroment suits my needs fine (the lack of pointy-clicky stuff suits that machine's dodgy touchpad :) ) If you miss the mouse you can add a dock to it no problem (I tried cairo dock for a while but just didn't use it in the end) Takes a bit of getting used to but being Debian based helps alot! Might be too much for such an old laptop though. I have a friend with an ancient (pre XP) toshiba laptop who runs LXLE on it just about usably ! Happy hunting Pete S -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
Thank you all for responding to my request and, from what I have read, it seems that this machine will not run any reasonably current OS. I have also unearthed a lot of old games which probably ran on DOS from 3.5in floppies. I wonder if I can find an old DOs disk, that would be fun and nothing to do with Ubuntu. Norman There's an article in issue 88 of Full Circle magazine (page 15) about creating a minimal Ubuntu desktop. Might be worth a look: http://fullcirclemagazine.org Windows XP shipped to OEMs in 2001 and the public in 2002. This PC probably predates the 21st century. It *maxes out* at 96MB RAM: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37114start=15 You can forget any current distro on it. It's even older than I thought with my previous comment. It might *just about* run DSL. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
There is a free DOS called, predictably FreeDOS (http://freedos.org), which is available in floppy and CD images. s/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 6 September 2014 19:54, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: There is a free DOS called, predictably FreeDOS (http://freedos.org), which is available in floppy and CD images. In case anyone else thinks the site is down, the correct address appears to, unhelpfully, be http://www.freedos.org/ Regards, Matthew -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba
On 6 September 2014 20:56, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2014 19:54, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: There is a free DOS called, predictably FreeDOS (http://freedos.org), which is available in floppy and CD images. In case anyone else thinks the site is down, the correct address appears to, unhelpfully, be http://www.freedos.org/ Regards, Matthew Do you know, I think I've done that before, I rarely put www in front of a hostname anymore and of course it's still technically incorrect according to RFC 3986 but you just assume it works, but of course not if the bare domain doesn't have an A record. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
