Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
2008/10/22 Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/10/22 Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Thanks for clearing that up - is there an argument that the update > >> process should be more clever than that, as I'd guess it'd put off > >> "newbies"... ? > >> > > > > There's a compelling argument that "newbies" should _not_ run the > > development version of Ubuntu. > > Fair point, Al... fair point... > > But would the same sort of issues not arise with a production one? I > guess the rate of updates would be less, but surely there's no reason > why somebody might not ignore the "updates available" icon for a > couple of weeks to find that there's been 3 security patches or > whatever and the one they originally were told they needed had been > superceded? > > Or does the process work differently with alphas and betas? > > Sean > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > The package lists are updated via a daily cron job, so this shouldn't happen in most cases. However, I think there might still be a very small window of opportunity for it to happen for somebody who gets notified that updates are available, ignores it and then leaves their machine unpowered for a couple of weeks, then comes back and immediately tries to update before the package lists have had a chance to be updated again. Looking through the packages you had problems with, and taking gnome-control-center as an example - this was updated twice in a single day very recently. Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:55:07 +0100, "Sean Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Chris Coulson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Those 404 errors look quite normal for packages that are being updated >> multiple times in rapid succession. What has happened is that your >> package >> lists were updated, indicating new versions of some packages were >> available. >> Some of these packages have then since been updated again since your >> package >> lists were updated, rendering your package lists out of date and causing >> the >> 404 errors that you see (because the versions of the packages you are >> trying >> to upgrade to have been superseded). > > Ah, okay... so my problem was ignoring the updates for a few days > then? Must admit that I have been busy and my internet connection is > not that quick so I've tended to update every few days rather than > every day! > > Thanks for clearing that up - is there an argument that the update > process should be more clever than that, as I'd guess it'd put off > "newbies"... ? > > Sean > > There are loads of updates every day for Intrepid at the moment as it nears release. You always have to apt-get update before installing/upgrading any packages. If its been 15 mins since I last did an update I'll do it again at the moment. The newbie way to do updates is through the GUI, it should take care of updating the package lists before downloading packages. Using apt-get on the command line assumes you will use it how you want to, e.g. not updating the package lists unless you want to. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/10/22 Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Thanks for clearing that up - is there an argument that the update >> process should be more clever than that, as I'd guess it'd put off >> "newbies"... ? >> > > There's a compelling argument that "newbies" should _not_ run the > development version of Ubuntu. Fair point, Al... fair point... But would the same sort of issues not arise with a production one? I guess the rate of updates would be less, but surely there's no reason why somebody might not ignore the "updates available" icon for a couple of weeks to find that there's been 3 security patches or whatever and the one they originally were told they needed had been superceded? Or does the process work differently with alphas and betas? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
2008/10/22 Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks for clearing that up - is there an argument that the update > process should be more clever than that, as I'd guess it'd put off > "newbies"... ? > There's a compelling argument that "newbies" should _not_ run the development version of Ubuntu. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Chris Coulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Those 404 errors look quite normal for packages that are being updated > multiple times in rapid succession. What has happened is that your package > lists were updated, indicating new versions of some packages were available. > Some of these packages have then since been updated again since your package > lists were updated, rendering your package lists out of date and causing the > 404 errors that you see (because the versions of the packages you are trying > to upgrade to have been superseded). Ah, okay... so my problem was ignoring the updates for a few days then? Must admit that I have been busy and my internet connection is not that quick so I've tended to update every few days rather than every day! Thanks for clearing that up - is there an argument that the update process should be more clever than that, as I'd guess it'd put off "newbies"... ? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
Yes, but 8.04 is just so conservative in comparison... I sort of understand why they do these conservative LTS releases, but I find them stifling... and, to be honest, I've not really had any great issues with 8.10 up to now. In fact, it's been a lot easier than previous alphas and betas that I've installed which I've driven Paul (Sladen) mad with banal questions about on IM... only issue I had was that the display didn't work on my laptop so I Googled and had to disable something or other (too long ago, forget - openglx or something similar, perhaps?) but not causing me an issue since. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
2008/10/22 Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I upgraded to Intrepid several weeks back, sometime late September - > this was just a standard daily update. So now idea why it went wrong > all of a sudden. > > Anyway, I did an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade and > it's fine now, it seems. > > Will keep an eye on that. > > Sean > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > Those 404 errors look quite normal for packages that are being updated multiple times in rapid succession. What has happened is that your package lists were updated, indicating new versions of some packages were available. Some of these packages have then since been updated again since your package lists were updated, rendering your package lists out of date and causing the 404 errors that you see (because the versions of the packages you are trying to upgrade to have been superseded). Regards Chris Coulson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
When I did my daily updates on Intrepid today - all went well, did the reboot thing... and then I realised my Skype (medibuntu) had disappeared... like, completely. "apt-get install skype", and it came back. Got no idea why, but it would seem something "broke" the package and apt therefore removed it?? (To be fair, I wasn't really reading what was it was updating) The pleasures of using ALPHA/BETA!! On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 10:41 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > I upgraded to Intrepid several weeks back, sometime late September - > this was just a standard daily update. So now idea why it went wrong > all of a sudden. > > Anyway, I did an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade and > it's fine now, it seems. > > Will keep an eye on that. > > Sean > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
I upgraded to Intrepid several weeks back, sometime late September - this was just a standard daily update. So now idea why it went wrong all of a sudden. Anyway, I did an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade and it's fine now, it seems. Will keep an eye on that. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
Sean Miller wrote: > ps. why would this have happened? I've not done anything (that I know > of) to make it so... > Could it be that a whole load of packages have updated over night in preparation for the release of Intrepid but not finished copying to all the mirrors? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
Hi Sean Miller wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/init.d# apt-get dist-upgrade Not relating to the errors (since other people have addressed those). are you upgrading *to* Intrepid, or just keeping an intrepid machine up to date? If you're upgrading to Intrepid from Hardy, please don't use dist-upgrade, it's not the correct way to do it. For a desktop use "update-manager -c -d", for a server use "do-release-upgrade -d" Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace > > Have you tried running > > apt-get update I hadn't noticed that, as the first time I got the issue was on update-manager. Have run it, now wants to download several hundred MBs so might be a while before I can report back, lol... Will do so, Thanks. Sean ps. why would this have happened? I've not done anything (that I know of) to make it so... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] update failure
Quoting Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dist-Upgrade aborts with the following > > Anybody got any idea what this is about? I'd suggest it's one of two things: 1) Intrepid hasn't reached your mirror yet. 2) You sources are out of date. Have you tried running apt-get update as suggested? If so, what output do you get? M. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
