Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] RMS vs. Amazon search results feature
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Grant Bowman grant...@ubuntu.com wrote: For discussion: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/07/on-richard-stallman-and-ubuntu/ I am trying to reserve judgement but the 12.10 install I tried seemed to sacrifice privacy a little too easily and I don't like the idea of money being made by default from Ubuntu for Canonical. At the same time I don't agree with all of what RMS said but some of what he says is true for me. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do What do you think? I don't like the idea of money being made by default from Ubuntu for Canonical What is the objection about Canonical making money in Ubuntu given the millions of dollars invested into Ubuntu? Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager www.ubuntu.com / www.jonobacon.org www.identi.ca/jonobacon www.twitter.com/jonobacon -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] RMS vs. Amazon search results feature
I think the disclaimer is enough, and hope the furor over this dies down soon. We have real enemies to fight, and fighting against Canonical (or ensuring it never reaches profitability) will not fix bug #1. For the people that have a problem with the behavior, Canonical has made it exceedingly simple to disable it. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Grant Bowman grant...@ubuntu.com wrote: For discussion: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/07/on-richard-stallman-and-ubuntu/ I am trying to reserve judgement but the 12.10 install I tried seemed to sacrifice privacy a little too easily and I don't like the idea of money being made by default from Ubuntu for Canonical. At the same time I don't agree with all of what RMS said but some of what he says is true for me. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do What do you think? I don't like the idea of money being made by default from Ubuntu for Canonical What is the objection about Canonical making money in Ubuntu given the millions of dollars invested into Ubuntu? Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager www.ubuntu.com / www.jonobacon.org www.identi.ca/jonobacon www.twitter.com/jonobacon -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca -- -Troy -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] RMS vs. Amazon search results feature
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Grant Bowman grant...@ubuntu.com wrote: For discussion: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/07/on-richard-stallman-and-ubuntu/ I am trying to reserve judgement but the 12.10 install I tried seemed to sacrifice privacy a little too easily and I don't like the idea of money being made by default from Ubuntu for Canonical. At the same time I don't agree with all of what RMS said but some of what he says is true for me. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do What do you think? I don't like the idea of money being made by default from Ubuntu for Canonical What is the objection about Canonical making money in Ubuntu given the millions of dollars invested into Ubuntu? I think trust is the primary issue. First, that was a partial quote of a sentence and I think not the most important aspect of this whole debate. Second, I didn't express that particular sentiment accurately. Perhaps it would be more clear with an appended in this way. I am not alone in feeling this particular implementation crosses a line of trust. Perhaps as you say Canonical didn’t get it 100% right. That's why I am trying to reserve judgement despite it being released in a non LTS version inserted at the last minute from what I heard. If Canonical had submitted a similar feature to Debian do you suspect it would have gotten accepted or is Canonical somehow abusing it's specially entrusted power? People trust this environment because it is level and open. This feature as implemented so far is neither. Other entities including but not limited to the EFF have expressed their concerns pretty well. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks Where is the money coming from? Facebook, Twitter, BBC, Amazon and other third parties of Canonical's choosing, right? This is done by keylogging send your keystrokes from all the searches on a default install with no notice to end users, right? Making money from work one does is what Canonical has carefully done in the past. I believe Canonical is trying to find the balance and is doing a better job than anyone else I think in this regard. I hope this discussion can stay on topic and not get derailed by my misstating my position on that one point. Grant -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
