Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Privacy, Trademark Canonical

2013-11-08 Thread Peter Sullivan
Darn phone keyboard: non-English
On Nov 8, 2013 10:19 AM, Peter Sullivan peterms...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also just as a legal aside, Ubuntu is _actually_ a real word in a real
 living language. As such no court in any country on God's Green Earth would
 do more than merely laugh the case out as it has no merit.
 I name a distro 'community' and trademark it (not likely but if I use a no
 my English equivalent) does that mean I own it? Of course not.
 I'm not saying this to be a jerk to Canonical as I have the deepest
 respect; I'm saying this so people don't get unduly cross.
 Trademark a graphic of your own design? Yes.
 Trademark a living (and historical) word  concept? No.
 On Nov 8, 2013 10:09 AM, nuboon2age nuboon2...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is no way to promote Free (as in freedom) Software. Then again
 Shuttleworth seems to have lost the narrative thread of Free Software. When
 the project began he used to talk about promoting Free Software all the
 time. Now? Not at all.

 Ubuntu to you,

 Drew
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 Today's Topics:

1.  Privacy, Trademark  Canonical (Grant Bowman)
2. Re:  Privacy, Trademark  Canonical (Troy Ready)
3. Re:  Privacy, Trademark  Canonical (Jono Bacon)
4. Re:  Privacy, Trademark  Canonical (C S)


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 wow!

 RT @lcafiero RT @marciahofmann: Oh, Canonical. It's silly to use
 trademark law to try to silence a critic! Especially a critic who works at
 @EFF. https://t.co/25ipxoHxPY

 I am not happy to read about this in this way. Thoughts?

 fyi,
 Grant
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 Doesn't seem that bad to me. I could agree that it's against the spirit
 of open source, but they've put a ton of time and money into promoting
 the
 brand of ubuntu and I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be wary
 of
 allowing very negative websites using that branding to go unanswered.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Grant Bowman grant...@partimus.org
 wrote:

  wow!
 
  RT @lcafiero RT @marciahofmann: Oh, Canonical. It's silly to use
 trademark
  law to try to silence a critic! Especially a critic who works at @EFF.
  https://t.co/25ipxoHxPY
 
  I am not happy to read about this in this way. Thoughts?
 
  fyi,
  Grant
 
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 I don't think is trademark law to silence a critic. I think it is
 trademark law to protect a trademark.

 Was news to me though and I am checking into it.

 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Troy Ready t...@troyready.com wrote:
  Doesn't seem that bad to me. I could agree that it's against the
 spirit of
  open source, but they've put a ton of time and money into promoting the
  brand of ubuntu and I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be
 wary of
  allowing very negative websites using that branding to go unanswered.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM, 

Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Privacy, Trademark Canonical

2013-11-08 Thread Philip Ballew
I think in order to fully understand this issue, we need to see all sides
of the story, and not a blog post of one of the people involved in the
event taking place. This email is a re-tweet from someone who is largely
very anti Canonical, This list needs to find a way to get a clear and
concise understanding going before we play the Canonical blame game.
Playing the blame game is easy, but as a LoCo, I feel we are better then
playing the blame game. Lets get the facts before making opinions.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote:

 On 11/07/2013 05:07 PM, Jono Bacon wrote:
  I don't think is trademark law to silence a critic. I think it is
  trademark law to protect a trademark.

 Seems more likely to be inadequate staff lawyer supervision to me.  If
 you leave the corporate lawyers to their own devices, they get into all
 kinds of trouble.

 On the other hand, I'd never have known about FixUbuntu if it wasn't for
 this, so there's that.

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Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Privacy, Trademark Canonical

2013-11-08 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote:
 On 11/07/2013 05:07 PM, Jono Bacon wrote:
 I don't think is trademark law to silence a critic. I think it is
 trademark law to protect a trademark.

 Seems more likely to be inadequate staff lawyer supervision to me.  If
 you leave the corporate lawyers to their own devices, they get into all
 kinds of trouble.

Yeah, that does seem to be what happened here. Canonical has released
an official blog post about the incident here:

http://blog.canonical.com/2013/11/08/trademarks-community-and-criticism/

And Mark's more personal apology on G+:

https://plus.google.com/116812394236590806058/posts/5jdibY5iR9b

I guess a new guy made a bad call

 On the other hand, I'd never have known about FixUbuntu if it wasn't for
 this, so there's that.

Same here. Hooray for the Streisand effect :)

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