[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Ubuntu 10.10 installs and runs correctly on the Toshiba Satellite A355-S6935 laptop with the full 4GB of memory installed. The pci=use_crs option is no longer needed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 Title: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Thanks, Peter! Here's what happens without pci=use_crs: ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (:00) pci_root PNP0A08:00: host bridge window [mem 0xc000-0xfebf] (ignored) pci :00:01.0: PCI bridge to [bus 01-01] pci :00:01.0: bridge window [mem 0xbfe0-0xbfef]= outside host bridge window pci :00:01.0: bridge window [mem 0xc000-0xdfff 64bit pref] pci :01:00.0: reg 18: [mem 0xbfef-0xbfef]= video device, outside host bridge window pci :01:00.1: reg 10: [mem 0xbfeec000-0xbfee]= hda-intel, outside host bridge window So it looks like both devices on bus 01 have memory BARs programmed where accesses will never reach the devices, because they aren't forwarded by the host bridge. With pci=use_crs, we reprogram them to be inside the host bridge window: pci :00:01.0: no compatible bridge window for [mem 0xbfe0-0xbfef] = P2P window outside upstream (host bridge) window pci :01:00.0: no compatible bridge window for [mem 0xbfef-0xbfef] = device outside P2P window (which has now been closed) pci :01:00.1: no compatible bridge window for [mem 0xbfeec000-0xbfee] pci :00:01.0: BAR 14: assigned [mem 0xf260-0xf29f]= moved P2P bridge mem window, now inside host bridge window pci :01:00.0: BAR 2: assigned [mem 0xf262-0xf262]= video BAR moved inside P2P window pci :01:00.1: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xf263-0xf2633fff]= hda-intel BAR moved inside P2P window The fact that these two bus 01 devices are unreachable looks like a BIOS bug to me. The BIOS normally programs at least the video device so it works, and Linux shouldn't have to touch it. I think it just happens that with pci=use_crs, we have enough information to work around the BIOS problem. I expect this is just a point problem with this particular BIOS, and it probably doesn't affect a whole class of machines. It would be interesting to know what Windows reports for the host bridge windows, the P2P bus windows, and the bus 01 device BARs (you can see this information in the Device Manager). I assume it must be doing basically the same thing Linux does with pci=use_crs. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
The normal method is to assume that all addresses to go the PCI bus unless they're claimed by RAM or other builtin devices first. That's certainly not true when we have more than one PCI host bridge, and apparently it's not true even on some single-bridge machines like this A355. _CRS is the way BIOS tells the OS about the actual routing, and Windows uses it, so in most respects, I think it's definitely better. I'm working on making it the default for all new machines: http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/17/260 I think this will fix the problem reported here (and Peter Haight confirmed this with an older version of my patches: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14183), but I would like a better understanding of what's happening on these machines. If anybody can boot an upstream kernel (2.6.33-rc1 or later) and attach the dmesg log, that would be very helpful. That will show what _CRS is reporting, and hopefully we'll see Linux doing something wrong because it is still ignoring it. ** Bug watch added: Linux Kernel Bug Tracker #14183 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14183 -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Here's dmesg from 2.6.33-rc8 without the pci=use_crs option. ** Attachment added: 2.6.33-rc8 dmesg without pci=use_crs http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39379719/dmesg-2.6.33-rc8-no-use_crs.txt -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Here's dmesg from 2.6.33-rc8 with the pci=use_crs ** Attachment added: 2.6.33-rc8 dmesg with pci=use_crs http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39379731/dmesg-2.6.33-rc8.txt -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
This option force on kernel to use other method of allocation PCI resources. IHMO only way to use this method (CRS) is append this option to kernel parameters. So I think this resolution is not best, becouse this is not nature of the problem. The question is: why kernel with 4gb ram can't correctly allocate PCI resource using classical (not CRS) method, this is important because in future this option (use_crs) can be removed or changed. In my free time I try search more and maybe I will find source of the problem. Tomasz Piasecki -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Thanks sypky for your answer. But which are the repercussions of using the CRS method instead of the normal approach? Is it better? Is it worse? -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Great! That totally worked! Thank you so much! -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
BTW, what that pci=usr_crs does? -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
This fixed it for me as well. You rock, man. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
How can I install an unstable git version of the kernel 2.6.30 above git18 ? Any tip? I don't even know where to get the code :) -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
On 2.6.32 and 2.6.33-rc1-git4 still not work ;( -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
On unstable git versions kernel 2.6.30 above git18 - (2.6.30-git19 - 2.6.30-git22) ATI driver (fglrx) and open driver (radeon/radeonhd) work fine. In my opinion this change is only implemented in kernel unstable version, so maybe they forget about add this changes to stable kernel tree or they plan do it in future). My kernel is compiled with mtrr options: CONFIG_MTRR=y CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT=1 CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT=0 Tomasz P. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Does stable 2.6.32 work? (i'm still on Jaunty) -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I have tried installing a driver through envyng, the ATI driver and the fglrx driver through Hardware Drivers. And then limited the RAM to 2GB. Still this does not work for me. I am new to using Ubuntu. Am I missing some steps in what should be done? I am using Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 and had install and still currently running on the safe graphics (vesa) setting. My computer is the Toshiba A350 laptop with Intel Core 2 Duo Processor P8600 / 4GB SDRAM / ATI Mobility Radeon HD 7450 512 MB. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Sorry mistyped. My processor is P7450 and the card is obviously ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I thought I would share this link http://madduck.net/blog/2009.11.18 :ram-reclaimed-mystery-solved/ which explains a bit about MTRR. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Hi everybody, I tried ubuntu 9.10 32bit standart and pae kernel, both are not working. Still the same problems, with 2GB of RAM everything works fine, 4GB of RAM give me a shell, no X. I also tried the 'enable_mtrr_cleanup' and 'mem=2GB' boot options on both kernels without success. Any ideas? -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
On the off chance anyone is paying attention who knows anything about this stuff, here's some more data. I'm uploading 6 files. Three each for my laptop with 2GB main memory installed and 4GB installed. One is cat /proc/mtrr, one is lspci -v, and the last is a copy of Xorg.log. Also I found a program that prints mtrrs in Windows XP 32-bit (where the video works with 4GB installed) and I ran that on my laptop with 4GB installed: Address StartAddress End Memory Type Fixed Ranges 0x 0x0009 WriteBack 0x000a 0x000b Uncacheable 0x000c 0x000f WriteProtected ** Attachment added: lspci -v with 2GB in machine http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35337045/2g-lspci.log -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
** Attachment added: cat /proc/mtrr on 2gb http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35337053/2g-mtrr.log -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
** Attachment added: 2g-xorg.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35337092/2g-xorg.log -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
** Attachment added: cat /proc/mtrr with 4GB http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35337132/4g-mtrr.log -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
** Attachment added: lspci -v with 4GB http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35337163/4g-lspci.log -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
** Attachment added: X.org.log with 4g http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35337185/4g-xorg.log -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
One thing I forgot to mention is that these attempts to launch X are with the ATI proprietary driver. It exhibits nearly the same behavior as the radeon driver. The only difference is that if I use the ATI proprietary driver, it doesn't sit at a blank screen forever when I have 4GB in the machine, instead it exits with an error. Just like the radeon driver, though, if I take out 2GB, everything works fine. All those files were from the 64bit kernel. The results are the same with the 32bit kernel. I kinda feel like this is some sort of MTRR problem, but I'm not really up on MTRRs and while I have tried fiddling with them a bunch in an effort to get it to work, I've had no luck. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I got hold of the toshiba A350 again. I tried ubuntu 9.10 64bit. After I installed it I removed 2GB RAM. It works! Great, what a relief! Since linux is so nice to me I can live with 2GB at the moment. I still think the reason for the 4GB RAM problem is the driver itself. It is not able to live within this amount of RAM. Maybe the driver is not able to cope with addresses out of 32 bit range. What do you think? I can imagine that people often develop drivers for 32 bit to keep it compatible to 32bit architectures. by the way, I used the wubi.exe installer -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
The problem affects me in both on 9.04 and 9.10RC, amd64 versions (Tosh A350 4Gb RAM and HD3650). Currently using the VESA drivers... which dont support standby... -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
OK. What about the resolution with VESA? I have a 1366x768 resolution LCD monitor but with VESA I was able just to get a 1024x768 resolution. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Hello there, I have this problem on a Toshiba Satellite A350 with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650. I have just tried the ubuntu 9.10 . The problem still exists. My screen is black. I have not tried to remove two of the four Gig RAM yet. I will try this as soon as I get hold of the notebook again. If this helps I think the problem might be related to the fact that the driver is made for 32bit. As far as I know there are problems with addressing = 4Gig RAM with 32bit. Furthermore I do not think the kernel can solve the problem. It looks like the bad ATI driver is not capable of residing within 4 Gig of RAM. any news from your side? Regards -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
After literally months of trying, I was not able to resolve the issue. I was able to run it in a virtual machine by reducing the RAM being utilized by the Guest OS (Ubuntu), but the performance was sluggish and their were still display issues on boot up. It was not a satisfactory solution for me. I ended up removing linux altogether, and buying a new laptop (MSI GT735 - ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850 - AMD Turion X2 - 3GB RAM). I think the new card is supported, but I'm too shell shocked to try it right now. I spent *a lot of time and effort *trying to get linux running on that machine, which is not in my wheelhouse in the first place. I'm waiting for my free Windows 7 upgrade and I think my next machine will be Mac. If I try linux again, I will make sure I research all of the hardware compatibility beforehand. Although I appreciate the time and effort people are putting into open source--from a layman's perspective--I found the overall experience frustrating. Searching a multitude of loosely structured forums; posting ill-informed questions; waiting for someone to respond; and then getting all kinds of different and conflicting advice from people who may or may not be qualified did not work out for me. If it was my specialty, and had relevance to my job or career, maybe it would be worth the time and effort. But, I'm in a different field altogether. Technology is only of value to me in proportion to how much time it gives back to me, not the other way around. Sorry for the rant. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:31 PM, gentoo_fan bern...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there, I have this problem on a Toshiba Satellite A350 with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650. I have just tried the ubuntu 9.10 . The problem still exists. My screen is black. I have not tried to remove two of the four Gig RAM yet. I will try this as soon as I get hold of the notebook again. If this helps I think the problem might be related to the fact that the driver is made for 32bit. As far as I know there are problems with addressing = 4Gig RAM with 32bit. Furthermore I do not think the kernel can solve the problem. It looks like the bad ATI driver is not capable of residing within 4 Gig of RAM. any news from your side? Regards -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in X.org XServer - ATI gfx chipset driver: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: xserver-xorg-video-ati I have a Toshiba Satellite A355 with Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T6400 / 4GB SDRAM / ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650. I have not been able to boot into a GUI with any free, or non-free, drivers for my video card--except vesa. A previous bug (336348) fixed an error with PLL dividers. But, we have another error now. The Xorg.0.log is attached. Thank you. [lspci] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650 [1002:9591] Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:ff01] -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I'll try 9.10 soon. I don't think this is an ATI issue because the same happens using other open source drivers. Is this problem present using Ubuntu 64-bit or is just something present only in 32-bit versions? -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Please don't use the link I posted above, there is a newer kernel in Karmic now. Find it here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I've tried to install 2.6.31-10.32 and something went wrong and I couldn't even boot with 2GB RAM. After the last kernel update for my 9.04 distro I've tried to put the other 2GB's back but unfortunately the old black screen appeared once again. I'm attaching my Xorg.0.log file. Thank you! ** Attachment added: Xorg.0.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32941694/Xorg.0.log -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
BTW, i'm on Jaunty 32-bits -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Recompiling the 2.6.28 should not be necessary if you use the boot options above. You can try the Karmic kernel on your Jaunty system, just download the deb from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/i386 /linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic/2.6.31-10.32 -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I did that with radeonhd driver and nothing happened. The same black screen appeared. Please, let me know in which context should I try this configuration... should I be using an specific driver (ati, radeon, radeonhd, fglrx)? should this work with a 4GB RAM configuration or should I remove 2GB from my notebook? About the Karmic kernel, is there fix for the BIOS-Kernel communication issue applied to that kernel? Why should this new kernel work? Thank you so much! -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
This should have worked with the default driver (-ati/-radeon) and with the 4 GB RAM. I don't know if the Karmic kernel has much changes in this regard, but it would be a very quick test for those of you who have the hardware. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I'm on Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty). I've recompiled the 2.6.28 kernel with the MTRR adjustments and then I've tried ati, radeon and radeonhd drivers... all them with similar results: black screen or low graphics mode. I'll try with fglrx later. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I have this same issue with my new Toshiba A355-SP7927R notebook with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650. I've read a lot about this problem but it's difficult to me to track what's going on with this. Where can I track the kernel modification status? Is there any other bug tracking site where this bug has been posted and where I could see what's going on? Could you please tell me if there's any workaround in order to get a 1366x768 at least using vesa as driver? Thank you! -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I have got fglrx to work on Ubuntu/Jaunty with the latest driver from ati (ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run). Here is the installation guide I used: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_drivers_manually It is not perfect, but at least it works. I experienced performance problems with compiz, described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186 -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Addtionally from the upstream bug report: The bios is setting up the mtrrs wrong. The fix is to enable the MTRR cleanup support (CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER) option in the kernel: http://lists.opensuse.org/radeonhd/2009-05/msg00070.html; And from the link: I enabled MTRR cleanup support (CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER), set MTRR cleanup enable value (CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT) to 1 and set MTRR cleanup spare reg num (CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT) to 0. Examining the Karmic kernel config files, CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER is enabled, but the other options don't have the the values mentioned above: ogasaw...@emiko:~/ubuntu-karmic/debian/config$ grep -rn CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER * config.common.ubuntu:2317:CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y config.common.ubuntu:2318:CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT=0 config.common.ubuntu:2319:CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT=1 A description of the config options can be found in ubuntu- karmic/arch/x86/Kconfig: config MTRR_SANITIZER def_bool y prompt MTRR cleanup support depends on MTRR ---help--- Convert MTRR layout from continuous to discrete, so X drivers can add writeback entries. Can be disabled with disable_mtrr_cleanup on the kernel command line. The largest mtrr entry size for a continuous block can be set with mtrr_chunk_size. If unsure, say Y. config MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT int MTRR cleanup enable value (0-1) range 0 1 default 0 depends on MTRR_SANITIZER ---help--- Enable mtrr cleanup default value config MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT int MTRR cleanup spare reg num (0-7) range 0 7 default 1 depends on MTRR_SANITIZER ---help--- mtrr cleanup spare entries default, it can be changed via mtrr_spare_reg_nr=N on the kernel command line. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged ** Tags added: kconfig -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
From the upstream report: this is a bios issue that needs to be fixed in the kernel. so am reassigning to the kernel. ** Package changed: xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) = linux (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = New ** Tags added: xorg-needs-kernel-fix -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Same here, i just took out 2GB of RAM and everything works fine now. If anyone got any workaround or anythin else that will make it work with 4GB RAM, please let us know. :) cheers! -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
** Summary changed: - [HD 3650] [HD3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... + [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
** Changed in: xserver-xorg-driver-ati Status: Confirmed = Invalid -- [HD3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Triaged -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
sweet...I just added the xorg-edgers ppa to my repositories. Would it be wise to keep it, or will the ati fixes come through the normal sources? R -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 08:06:10PM -, shelvingguy wrote: sweet...I just added the xorg-edgers ppa to my repositories. And did that fix the issue? What was the exact package and version you installed from xorg-edgers that solved it? Would it be wise to keep it, or will the ati fixes come through the normal sources? R Depends. Ubuntu does not roll out random updates of things to users, since they can cause regressions; I'm sure you appreciate that you can do updates and trust that your machine won't randomly break. So, you'd need to help isolate the specific change that fixed the problem. Then, a thorough review of that specific patch is done, and thorough testing performed to ensure it causes no regressions. If you have time to work through that process, I can give guidance. Otherwise, yes stick with xorg-edgers. Sounds like we'll have the version with the fix in Karmic so I understand if you'd prefer to just wait for that. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
Generally there are no card driver (like -ati) packages in the xorg- edgers PPA (only for -intel because it is so... special). Test packages for -ati are in my own PPA. However I don't think there is anything that should have fixed this bug at this point. I asked specifically for testing of one version in comment 20 and although no one answered here I think Jeff tested it (with negative result) in the upstream report. -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 341681] Re: [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine...
I just saw Alex's post of today in the upstream report. The 2.6.28-12-generic kernel in Jaunty actually has CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y so please try the boot options mentioned in that mailing list thread. (I think enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=0 should do it but please read that thread carefully yourself). -- [HD 3650] Startup failure Idle timed out, resetting engine... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341681 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xserver-xorg-driver-ati. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
